Brad's Buy-out

[Fanned On It]

fair enough...i do wonder how many of them are really just him moving the puck to someone who makes a play, rather than it being a great pass that opens someone up for an easier scoring chance.


basically, moving the puck around and getting an assist...thats what i "see"..i could be wrong of course.

That's generally how it works..

Brad has made some great passes this year... don't fool yourself. Even if the pass isn't spectacular... every pass sets up the play that comes after it.

Still, he has to be bought out.

 

[RangerBoy]

I think we basically of the same mind, just slicing the bread differently.

I don't see another candidate of Richards quality or experience available.

I view Stastny as more of a "grass is greener". He will be more expensive than Richards, plus the cost to waive the Bradster on top of things makes me conclude NY is better off with Richards in the fold. If he continues to train with Saint Louis in the offseason as he did last year I think he can continue to put up points. After all Conn Smythe winners don't grow on trees.

Not sure I see the logic in hoping Cally magically returns NY a top line potential centerman. Can you give me a specific name or three we can discuss ? otherwise its just a pipe dream. If there is that kind of player available do you realistically think Callahan would bring him to NY ?

I know I am repeating myself but JT Miller appears to NOT want to play center. so that would leave

Stepan
Brassard RFA

I don't think Boyle or Moore returns as another team will offer them more. But I could be wrong on that. Wouldn't be the first time either.

But as I see it
Stepan
Richards
Brassard

plus whatever the best return for Cally is better than

Stepan
Brassard
...
Boyle/Moore

maybe its just a different preference on how we hope NY will fill out the roster.

but as I said we all know about all of this within the next 6-8 months

Where do come up with this stuff?

Miller's best position is center.

Where does he play in the AHL?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think we basically of the same mind, just slicing the bread differently.

I don't see another candidate of Richards quality or experience available.

I view Stastny as more of a "grass is greener". He will be more expensive than Richards, plus the cost to waive the Bradster on top of things makes me conclude NY is better off with Richards in the fold. If he continues to train with Saint Louis in the offseason as he did last year I think he can continue to put up points. After all Conn Smythe winners don't grow on trees.

Not sure I see the logic in hoping Cally magically returns NY a top line potential centerman. Can you give me a specific name or three we can discuss ? otherwise its just a pipe dream. If there is that kind of player available do you realistically think Callahan would bring him to NY ?

I know I am repeating myself but JT Miller appears to NOT want to play center. so that would leave

Stepan
Brassard RFA

I don't think Boyle or Moore returns as another team will offer them more. But I could be wrong on that. Wouldn't be the first time either.

But as I see it
Stepan
Richards
Brassard

plus whatever the best return for Cally is better than

Stepan
Brassard
...
Boyle/Moore

maybe its just a different preference on how we hope NY will fill out the roster.

but as I said we all know about all of this within the next 6-8 months

1) Regarding Stastny, I hear what you're saying, and we're in agreement about preferring not to sign him, but if the choice comes down to dumping Brad and signing him, I'd rather sign him, even for as much as $0.5-0.75 per year more in AAV. The cap recapture penalty on Brad's $1MM years is that bad.

2) Brad's buy-out: well, fortunately the Garden can afford it. Also, by the end of this year he'll have been paid more than half the total value of his contract in real dollars. I don't recall the amnesty formula, but given what he's already been paid, I don't think it's as bad as you think it is.

3) Joe has said on air that Miller prefers RW - but the comment was in regard to which wing he prefers, not which position overall. (Recall that he spent most of his time with the big club on the left.) As RB points out, he plays exclusively center in the AHL and I believe both Gorton and Clark have said they prefer him at center. Having watched him myself, Miller is much, MUCH better when he a) has the puck on his stick and b) is in constant motion; he should play C over RW over LW.

EDIT: 4) As to a centerman in return for Cally, my dream is for a Galchenyuk or a Barkov, but those are admittedly very low probabilities, even if he came signed to an extension. If you were able to trade him signed, I don't think that a Coyle for example, is unrealistic. If you're trading him as a rental, then we're looking at the types of guys that HockeysFuture rates a 7.0-7.5C (Chicago, for example, has a slew of them), and hoping that our scouts can identify the right one who has more upside than he's shown to date.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

That's generally how it works..

Brad has made some great passes this year... don't fool yourself. Even if the pass isn't spectacular... every pass sets up the play that comes after it.

Still, he has to be bought out.

His scoring this year has been the result of a) an undeniably hot start, when for a month he briefly looked like the player we thought we were getting, and b) essentially benefitting from the dramatically improved powerplay, where MZA and Brassard have really been the ones who've generated the chances and Richie has been riding their coattails, not the other way around. Inferno's comment is regarding those latter points.

In any event, we agree he needs to be bought out either way.

 

[eco's bones]

Richards gets more pwp time than anyone on the team. IMO that doesn't mean he's been our most effective pwp player. In terms of pwp production it's Zuccarello 4-11-15 Brassard 5-9-14 Richards 3-11-14 Stepan 2-11-13 Kreider 6-5-11 McDonagh 1-9-10 with some contributions from Nash, Pouliot, Callahan and Del Zotto.

Richards is often out there the full two minutes. I don't if that's how AV wants it or whether he has carte blanche to decide for himself or they just can't drag him off.

Anyway not much of that matters. Not amnestying Richards this summer means 3 and a half years from now Richards will be making $1 mil per real money per year and we'll still be carrying his $6.667 mil cap hit for 3 full seasons--and whether he's hung up his skates or not. There may be an immediate benefit to that but long term it's a ****ed up move.

 

[Inferno]

BR's pass off the boards to spring Hagelin for a breakaway was a great pass.

His moving the puck down to the half boards to MZA so MZA can then thread a needle to get the puck to the other site is not a great pass.

but, he would get an assist from both if they both scored.

all assists are not created equal.

when you look at MZAs assists or Kreiders assists or even Stepans assists, you seem to be seeing some really good passes out there...when you see Richards assists, for the most part, they seem to be "he was on the ice and happened to touch the puck" type assists.

Richards does not pass the eye test for me this year, and again, this is coming from someone who wanted to keep him for a "Show me" year this year.

he hasn't shown it to me. good bye.

 

[GAGLine]

I think we basically of the same mind, just slicing the bread differently.

I don't see another candidate of Richards quality or experience available.

I view Stastny as more of a "grass is greener". He will be more expensive than Richards, plus the cost to waive the Bradster on top of things makes me conclude NY is better off with Richards in the fold. If he continues to train with Saint Louis in the offseason as he did last year I think he can continue to put up points. After all Conn Smythe winners don't grow on trees.

No, you aren't getting it. Buying out Richards has NOTHING to do with who is available to replace him. His contract is the problem. He HAS to go, regardless of what other moves we make.