Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

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Marner for nothing.
Shanahan / Dubas disaster.

Not a Treliving super fan but that doesn’t look accurate.

It turned out to be a bad and short sided trade but Bennett value was around a 2nd and a prospect. Looking at hf history, a lot of Flames fans reacted positively when announced as well.

Flames rode a huge season from Gaudreau and finished first in their division. That was an all around good team and trading their lead scorer when they had cup aspirations wasn’t a realistic option.

He traded Tkachuk for Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar and Florida first round pick. That’s a huge return for an expiring contract.

As for Marner, they played the shit out of him and won the division. They got their mileage out of him for the final season and got the regular season results per usual.

that seems like how it all went down.
He seems like an okay gm but nothing special or awful

 

[Maple Leaf]

Not a Treliving super fan but that doesn’t look accurate.

It turned out to be a bad and short sided trade but Bennett value was around a 2nd and a prospect. Looking at hf history, a lot of Flames fans reacted positively when announced as well.

Flames rode a huge season from Gaudreau and finished first in their division. That was an all around good team and trading their lead scorer when they had cup aspirations wasn’t a realistic option.

He traded Tkachuk for Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar and Florida first round pick. That’s a huge return for an expiring contract.

As for Marner, they played the shit out of him and won the division. They got their mileage out of him for the final season and got the regular season results per usual.

that seems like how it all went down.
He seems like an okay gm but nothing special or awful

Yea but what has Tre accomplished and why is he qualified to run the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS who have the means to pay for any GM on the market

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yea but what has Tre accomplished and why is he qualified to run the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS who have the means to pay for any GM on the market

Available on short notice when Dubas' power grab failed, if nothing else.

The fact that he's already done better could be considered a bonus.

 

[BallardEra]

A good source of mine just told me that Treliving is in the kitchen "cooking" right about now and to expect something hot out of the oven very, very soon!

 

[notDatsyuk]

Will he get burned or toasted?

 

[Menzinger]

Will he get burned or toasted?

The funny thing, his July 1sts have been probably more good than bad the last couple summers (though more W's when it comes to D men and goalies than forwards). But they've also been fairly low stakes - picking up mid-tier and depth guys to round out the lineup (Tanev aside).

This summer he's got to probably swing for the fences and pull off some of the most radical moves he's yet to make as Toronto's GM. We're entering unknown territory....

 

[BallardEra]

An intensely focused Treliving lurking in the weeds, looking to pounce and fleece unsuspecting rival GMs in the upcoming next few weeks.

 

[cupdreaming]

I think that's a lame loser mentality excuse too.

If taxes are why they're so good now then why were they so bad for so long. In fact there's a whole host of teams in tax free states that have sucked for extended periods of time. Along with a bunch in taxed states that have had extended periods of success.

And then there's the Leafs....

It also is a benefit when you become good. They have the ability to retain players for cheaper AAVs.

 

[Tak7]

Kreider, Marchment, Zegras, and now Evander Kane.
All very attainable assets for prices the Leafs could have afforded.
Not saying they are perfect fits, but these are the sorts of buy-low situations Treliving needs to be all over.

 

[ULF_55]

Kreider, Marchment, Zegras, and now Evander Kane.
All very attainable assets for prices the Leafs could have afforded.
Not saying they are perfect fits, but these are the sorts of buy-low situations Treliving needs to be all over.

Were Leafs on his 16 team NTC?

Vancouver is Kane's hometown team.

 

[notbias]

Kreider, Marchment, Zegras, and now Evander Kane.
All very attainable assets for prices the Leafs could have afforded.
Not saying they are perfect fits, but these are the sorts of buy-low situations Treliving needs to be all over.

0 players worth their contract in that group, all reclamation projects that you hope improve with a team change.

I do think if they are taking on some reclaimation projects, make sure they expire this year, so I would have been fine with any of Zegras, Marchment, Kane, Haula, or Veleno, because the UFA class is not great, but they would also be giving up the last of the assets they have to get some of these guys who are mostly cap dumps.

But it is likely a bunch of 3rd liners or worse, no one moves the needle.

 

[Tak7]

0 players worth their contract in that group, all reclamation projects that you hope improve with a team change.

I do think if they are taking on some reclaimation projects, make sure they expire this year, so I would have been fine with any of Zegras, Marchment, Kane, Haula, or Veleno, because the UFA class is not great, but they would also be giving up the last of the assets they have to get some of these guys who are mostly cap dumps.

But it is likely a bunch of 3rd liners or worse, no one moves the needle.

Completely disagree with the idea there's no value in that group.

Marchment, Kane, and Kreider are all on expiring deals that bring the sort of personality change they were referencing when talking about buzzwords like "DNA change".

But the larger point is: Treliving needs to be all over these opportunities, if there's a fit there. These prices are more than affordable for a Leafs team that is going to need to look for these sorts of buy-low candidates to augment their roster which currently has more holes than a block of cheese

 

[notbias]

Completely disagree with the idea there's no value in that group.

Marchment, Kane, and Kreider are all on expiring deals that bring the sort of personality change they were referencing when talking about buzzwords like "DNA change".

But the larger point is: Treliving needs to be all over these opportunities, if there's a fit there. These prices are more than affordable for a Leafs team that is going to need to look for these sorts of buy-low candidates to augment their roster which currently has more holes than a block of cheese

Marchment is a TERRIBLE playoff performer.

Kreider may be falling off (that's what it looks like), also not on an expiring deal.

Kane is a locker room cancer, why do they want that? People are arguing about Marner's personality, and Kane seems a million times worse.

Leafs are missing a lot of picks, and they are likely to pick higher in the draft..

Kane was likely a 3rd to us? Marchment is maybe 2x3rd? Kreider is not expiring, so that's a no for me.

 

[Tak7]

Marchment is a TERRIBLE playoff performer.

Kreider may be falling off (that's what it looks like), also not on an expiring deal.

Kane is a locker room cancer, why do they want that? People are arguing about Marner's personality, and Kane seems a million times worse.

Leafs are missing a lot of picks, and they are likely to pick higher in the draft..

Kane was likely a 3rd to us? Marchment is maybe 2x3rd? Kreider is not expiring, so that's a no for me.

Fair enough - thanks for correcting me on Kreider.

Without being in the room - I have no issues with Kane's personality. I see a guy who was very well liked in the Edmonton dressing room, and who was productive come playoff time, especially this year on the backs of the injury. I would absolutely have considered him as an option for the Leafs.

Again though, going back to my original point: buy-low candidates are the ones that Treliving needs to be all over. Maybe not these specific names, but these are the types of deals he should be looking to make.

 

[Tak7]

The funny thing, his July 1sts have been probably more good than bad the last couple summers (though more W's when it comes to D men and goalies than forwards). But they've also been fairly low stakes - picking up mid-tier and depth guys to round out the lineup (Tanev aside).

This summer he's got to probably swing for the fences and pull off some of the most radical moves he's yet to make as Toronto's GM. We're entering unknown territory....

Is it considered "unknown territory" if he's shown a history of not being able to do this sort of thing?

 

[BallardEra]

"STEP RIGHT UP!! STEP RIGHT UP!!!

"WHO WANTS TO MAKE A TRADE WITH ME AND LOSE?!"

 

[HockeyVirus]

I think Treliving is frankily over his head right now and it's not his fault. The org is in the position contending teams find themselves before a long painful rebuild and he didn't put us there by himself.

But he did trade a first in 2027 for Laughton. Why I have no idea. He did sign most of the aging defense to long contracts and they will start declining as soon as this year. He did trade away the prospects we had of any value that could help the team in Minten, Grebenkin, and others. And he did sign some terrible deals that he only saved himself from due to our cap space like Klingberg and Bertuzzi. Overpaid for Domi and Kampf as well.

And most likely he is about to hand out some more albatross contracts in free agency this year.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I think Treliving is frankily over his head right now and it's not his fault. The org is in the position contending teams find themselves before a long painful rebuild and he didn't put us there by himself.

But he did trade a first in 2027 for Laughton. Why I have no idea. He did sign most of the aging defense to long contracts and they will start declining as soon as this year. He did trade away the prospects we had of any value that could help the team in Minten, Grebenkin, and others. And he did sign some terrible deals that he only saved himself from due to our cap space like Klingberg and Bertuzzi. Overpaid for Domi and Kampf as well.

And most likely he is about to hand out some more albatross contracts in free agency this year.

I'm not shy about posting my issues with him, and I really don't think he should be the GM.

If the Leafs gig is truly one of the plum jobs in the NHL, I don't see how he, with what he left in Calgary, was someone who should have been considered for the job here.

And it's pretty Leafy that they got the guy on the other(bad) end of the most talked about deal in the last few years.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I'm not shy about posting my issues with him, and I really don't think he should be the GM.

If the Leafs gig is truly one of the plum jobs in the NHL, I don't see how he, with what he left in Calgary, was someone who should have been considered for the job here.

And it's pretty Leafy that they got the guy on the other(bad) end of the most talked about deal in the last few years.

Pretty simple.. Shanahan had no idea what he was doing and got into a power struggle with Dubas and had to fire him weeks before the draft/free agency and Treliving was the only experienced GM on the market.

He had no choice but to hire the first guy he could and here we are. And I was a fan of a lot of Trelivings moves, but it seems he makes a lot of really terrible decisions.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Pretty simple.. Shanahan had no idea what he was doing and got into a power struggle with Dubas and had to fire him weeks before the draft/free agency and Treliving was the only experienced GM on the market.

He had no choice but to hire the first guy he could and here we are. And I was a fan of a lot of Trelivings moves, but it seems he makes a lot of really terrible decisions.

True, he also had a leg up on others due to being a family friend of Tannebaum.

Which is ridiculous.

 

[Mess]

Treliving is currently holding the line with Tavares and Knies and walking away from Marner to try and maintain law and order and some semblance of common sense rationale when it comes to handing out contracts despite expected cap increases.,

 

[Menzinger]

Is it considered "unknown territory" if he's shown a history of not being able to do this sort of thing?

I was trying to be kind, I'm not really optimistic.

The only big fish the team maybe has a chance at is Ekblad and Marchand.

Otherwise it's 2-3 low stakes depth guys who have probably been under valued + maybe a trade.

The challenge isn't just brining guys in, it's also finding ways of moving bodies out of they really want to change up the depth on the team

 

[Mess]

I was trying to be kind, I'm not really optimistic.

The only big fish the team maybe has a chance at is Ekblad and Marchand.

Otherwise it's 2-3 low stakes depth guys who have probably been under valued + maybe a trade.

The challenge isn't just brining guys in, it's also finding ways of moving bodies out of they really want to change up the depth on the team

If Treliving can trade players like Kampf and Jarnkrok at the draft for only draft pick return he will look like a genius.

What can you get for Domi & pick killing 2 birds with one stone on changing up the DNA.

Be interesting to see what the salary landscape looks like come July 1st.

PS. As a realist myself I'm also not overly optimistic but hopeful perhaps.

 

[ULF_55]

His coach will have to do more than just trust players who want to play together.

Fricken lazy coaching.

 

[Nineteen67]

He better hold firm on Knies and don’t give him UFA money without buying all the UFA years he can. But it doesn’t sound like that’s what’s happening.