Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[notDatsyuk]

treliving re-sign Marner - Google Suche

Thank you.

So on March 7 (presumably 2025) after he unsuccessfully tried to get Marner to waive his NMC.

"Can't move him, so I'll make the appropriate nice noises."

And of course it doesn't say which player he would have preferred to have.

Thanks.

 

[arso40]

Thank you.

So on March 7 (presumably 2025) after he unsuccessfully tried to get Marner to waive his NMC.

"Can't move him, so I'll make the appropriate nice noises."

And of course it doesn't say which player he would have preferred to have.

Thanks.

But the narrative is Mitch Is our second most important player and will he second highest paid nylander didnt have a no trade him and Matthews both got made a priority and signed……the language in which he even talks about them is different

 

[Leafs4Life77]

It has nothing to do with what I like, it's just coming to a reasonable conclusion based on what we know.

Treliving's preference from what we know in this situation was to move picks/prospects for Rantanan. Carolinas preference was Marner not picks/prospects.

He knew what Marners answer would be before he asked, this was equal parts covering his ass and a negotiation ploy.

(He may very well prefer Rantanan, we'll never know. This situation isn't telling us that though)

We'll never know who he preferred when he asked one player to waive his NMC to complete a trade for another player? That's an interesting take. Had Marner agreed to waive, do you think Treliving would have said just kidding? No chance....that's not how you treat star players and agents of star players in the league. He only takes that to Marner if he's ready to make the deal, IMO.

I am only talking about the moment in time where Treliving decides to go to Marner and ask him to waive. To me, it's very clear what his preference is there. He very well may have had different preferences at differen points in time (e.g. when he offered the picks + prospects package, or when he did media.)

 

[arso40]

We'll never know who he preferred when he asked one player to waive his NMC to complete a trade for another player? That's an interesting take. Had Marner agreed to waive, do you think Treliving would have said just kidding? No chance....that's not how you treat star players and agents of star players in the league. He only takes that to Marner if he's ready to make the deal, IMO.

I am only talking about the moment in time where Treliving decides to go to Marner and ask him to waive. To me, it's very clear what his preference is there. He very well may have had different preferences at differen points in time (e.g. when he offered the picks + prospects package, or when he did media.)

No length is too far for these guys in regards to mitch

 

[Dreakmur]

Everyone we know indicates this is not even close to the case.

That wasn’t an option… so there’s no way to know.

Freidman reported that they asked Marner about waiving his NMC, not much else.

That’s why I posted what I did. You’re just looking to disagree with everything.

Because he got nothing he wanted? Makes sense.

In a 1 v 1 comparison, it’s not always good vs bad. Sometimes is bad vs more bad, and when you’re up against Dubas, it’s hard to be worse.

 

[ACC1224]

We'll never know who he preferred when he asked one player to waive his NMC to complete a trade for another player? That's an interesting take. Had Marner agreed to waive, do you think Treliving would have said just kidding? No chance....that's not how you treat star players and agents of star players in the league. He only takes that to Marner if he's ready to make the deal, IMO.

I am only talking about the moment in time where Treliving decides to go to Marner and ask him to waive. To me, it's very clear what his preference is there. He very well may have had different preferences at differen points in time (e.g. when he offered the picks + prospects package, or when he did media.)

At the end of the day he has to think of the team and if the player wanted to leave he would be obligated to try and get a return. If Marner had agreed to waive he would have most likely done the deal if Rantanan had agreed to an extension, probably not if he wouldn't sign here.

You realize this was brought to him by Carolina? He has never sought out a team to move him to even when the window to do so was open?

The Carolina GM preferred Marner over Rantanan, why would it be so hard to believe the Leafs do as well?

 

[notDatsyuk]

At the end of the day he has to think of the team and if the player wanted to leave he would be obligated to try and get a return. If Marner had agreed to waive he would have most likely done the deal if Rantanan had agreed to an extension, probably not if he wouldn't sign here.

You realize this was brought to him by Carolina? He has never sought out a team to move him to even when the window to do so was open?

The Carolina GM preferred Marner over Rantanan, why would it be so hard to believe the Leafs do as well?

So Marner wanted to leave but vetoed the trade that would let him leave? Makes sense.

Neither had agreed to an extension.

If Marner had an NMC, why would Tre be actively looking to trade him? And why would he be approaching team that had just acquired a better player, to ask if he was available? That doesn't make as much sense as Carolina trying to sign him, finding out he wouldn't sign there, and trying to cut their losses by trading him for whatever they could get.

If you believe that Carolina thought Marner was better based on their wanting to trade for him, why would you believe that Tre thought Marner was better based on his wanting to trade for Rantanen?

 

[notbias]

And whose fault was that? It was Kyle Spreadsheet Dubious who gave Bitchy Mitchy the NMC.

There was a window to trade him, they tried to trade Nylander instead.

Not sure why you are all whining about this.

 

[Leafs4Life77]

At the end of the day he has to think of the team and if the player wanted to leave he would be obligated to try and get a return. If Marner had agreed to waive he would have most likely done the deal if Rantanan had agreed to an extension, probably not if he wouldn't sign here.

You realize this was brought to him by Carolina? He has never sought out a team to move him to even when the window to do so was open?

The Carolina GM preferred Marner over Rantanan, why would it be so hard to believe the Leafs do as well?

Because the reporting is that Treliving asked Marner to waive his NMC in order to facilitate a trade for Rantanen. If he preferred Marner, he doesn't do that.

I've got nothing more to say on this one. The best analogy I can think of is I believe MLSE is still required to approve any Personal Seat License sale. If it was reported that ACC1224 went to MLSE for approval to make a PSL sale, it would be reasonable and logical in my opinion to conclude that ACC1224 preferred what was offered for his PSLs over the PSLs themself, and intended to make the sale.

 

[ACC1224]

Because the reporting is that Treliving asked Marner to waive his NMC in order to facilitate a trade for Rantanen. If he preferred Marner, he doesn't do that.

I've got nothing more to say on this one. The best analogy I can think of is I believe MLSE is still required to approve any Personal Seat License sale. If it was reported that ACC1224 went to MLSE for approval to make a PSL sale, it would be reasonable and logical in my opinion to conclude that ACC1224 preferred what was offered for his PSLs over the PSLs themself, and intended to make the sale.

I mean, this isn't that complicated. Treliving didn't go to Carolina they came to him.

 

[ACC1224]

There was a window to trade him, they tried to trade Nylander instead.

Not sure why you are all whining about this.

It's like some don't want to accept the reality of what happened. the Internet is such a strange place at times.

 

[keonsbitterness]

He has to gauge the players interest when he’s unsure. It would have been negligent not to.
Seems this was more a negotiating ploy than anything. Letting the player know that if he didn’t want to be here than they both could move on.

Tre would have gotten crucified if it came out he had the opportunity to acquire Rantanen and didn’t even check if Marner was open. Tre had to do his job as a good GM. I don’t think anyone can knock him for that.

Fair point, but was the bigger factor Tre doing his due diligence or believing he has a much lower chance of re-signing Marner due to of his agent's repeated claim that his client will explore free agency?

 

[ACC1224]

Fair point, but was the bigger factor Tre doing his due diligence or believing he has a much lower chance of re-signing Marner due to of his agent's repeated claim that his client will explore free agency?

Only the Agent, Marner and Treliving could answer that one.
The end of the day the only one who can take this to an amicable conclusion is Marner who IMO, has been receiving poor advice.

I still believe it will be resolved and he will re-sign here.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Only the Agent, Marner and Treliving could answer that one.
The end of the day the only one who can take this to an amicable conclusion is Marner who IMO, has been receiving poor advice.

I still believe it will be resolved and he will re-sign here.

I just had a chat with a guy who knows people in the Marner camp and said he is pretty sure he is going to the sharks on a massive deal. His camp doesn't like the pressure cooker here and would rather be in a non traditional market. Let's see if my friend is correct July 2nd or sooner.

 

[Apex Predator]

I just had a chat with a guy who knows people in the Marner camp and said he is pretty sure he is going to the sharks on a massive deal. His camp doesn't like the pressure cooker here and would rather be in a non traditional market. Let's see if my friend is correct July 2nd or sooner.

I can see the sharks as a fit for Marner.

 

[ACC1224]

I just had a chat with a guy who knows people in the Marner camp and said he is pretty sure he is going to the sharks on a massive deal. His camp doesn't like the pressure cooker here and would rather be in a non traditional market. Let's see if my friend is correct July 2nd or sooner.

We hear lots of things but if he were to leave the Sharks and his connection to Marleau make a lot of sense.

 

[leafs in five]

And whose fault was that? It was Kyle Spreadsheet Dubious who gave Bitchy Mitchy the NMC.

 

[sxvnert]

I just had a chat with a guy who knows people in the Marner camp and said he is pretty sure he is going to the sharks on a massive deal. His camp doesn't like the pressure cooker here and would rather be in a non traditional market. Let's see if my friend is correct July 2nd or sooner.

My guess was Anaheim but the Sharks works.
Marner can be part of a new core four: Misa/Celebrini/Smith/Marner

Misa Celebrini Marner
Eklund Smith Toffoli

 

[Menzinger]

It has nothing to do with what I like, it's just coming to a reasonable conclusion based on what we know.

Treliving's preference from what we know in this situation was to move picks/prospects for Rantanan. Carolinas preference was Marner not picks/prospects.

He knew what Marners answer would be before he asked, this was equal parts covering his ass and a negotiation ploy.

(He may very well prefer Rantanan, we'll never know. This situation isn't telling us that though)

There is absolutely nothing tangible backing this up.

Asking a player to waive is a significant decision - plenty in the media have discussed this since the leaks happened. It's not something you do for a bit of leverage.

A GM asked a NMC to be waived because he was prepared to trade the player - it's occam's razor

 

[ACC1224]

There is absolutely nothing tangible backing this up.

Asking a player to waive is a significant decision - plenty in the media have discussed this since the leaks happened. It's not something you do for a bit of leverage.

A GM asked a NMC to be waived because he was prepared to trade the player - it's occam's razor

It’s just a theory like everything else being discussed.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I mean, this isn't that complicated. Treliving didn't go to Carolina they came to him.

Exactly. Which meant they preferred Marner, for whatever reason.

The fact that Tre liked the idea enough to approach Marner about waiving his NMC meant he preferred Rantanen, for whatever reason.

I agree - this isn't complicated at all.