Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[hamzarocks]

Carlo and Laughton are big Ls

Carlo has been a great #4D worth 1st + hopefully 4C at best minten

Laughton is a waiver wire pickup player for the leafs

 

[notDatsyuk]

He probably preferred a signed Rantanen over an unsigned Rantanen, maybe.

But if all contract statuses are the same, he preferred Marner.

Why do you want him to get credit for not achieving anything he wanted? That seems odd.

They were both on the last year of their existing contracts, and neither was willing to discuss an extension at the time of the proposed trade.

So the contract statuses were the same, and he preferred Rantanen, obviously, because he was willing to make that trade.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Treliving got nothing he wanted, and somehow you are happy about that?

The point is that we're not happy that he couldn't make the trade, but we don't blame him for Marner refusing it, and we don't take Marner refusing it as proof that Tre prefers him to Rantanen.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It wasn’t his attempt though. Carolina attempted to get Marner.
Crazy people don’t know this.

So that likely means that Carolina valued Marner more, or at least thought they had a better chance of signing him.

We understand that, but we also understand that it has absolutely nothing to do with how Tre felt about either player. The only evidance we have is that Tre was willing to made the trade.

 

[keonsbitterness]

It wasn’t his attempt though. Carolina attempted to get Marner.
Crazy people don’t know this.

Tre could have just said no and left it at that instead of going to Marner and his agent.

It was also reported the Leafs were one of Rantanen's preferred destinations, so him signing with Dallas suggests a similar deal would have happened here.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't know that that first part is true.

Tre has treated Marner as a castaway since last offseason.

After last year playoffs it’s understandable. So far this year he likely hasn’t change his mind, knowing he preferred Rantanen over him.

 

[ACC1224]

Tre could have just said no and left it at that instead of going to Marner and his agent.

It was also reported the Leafs were one of Rantanen's preferred destinations, so him signing with Dallas suggests a similar deal would have happened here.

He has to gauge the players interest when he’s unsure. It would have been negligent not to.
Seems this was more a negotiating ploy than anything. Letting the player know that if he didn’t want to be here than they both could move on.

 

[francis246]

Tre could have just said no and left it at that instead of going to Marner and his agent.

It was also reported the Leafs were one of Rantanen's preferred destinations, so him signing with Dallas suggests a similar deal would have happened here.

Tre would have gotten crucified if it came out he had the opportunity to acquire Rantanen and didn’t even check if Marner was open. Tre had to do his job as a good GM. I don’t think anyone can knock him for that.

 

[Nineteen67]

Tre would have gotten crucified if it came out he had the opportunity to acquire Rantanen and didn’t even check if Marner was open. Tre had to do his job as a good GM. I don’t think anyone can knock him for that.

It would have been nice if he had more time to convince Marner to waive.

 

[notbias]

The point is that we're not happy that he couldn't make the trade, but we don't blame him for Marner refusing it, and we don't take Marner refusing it as proof that Tre prefers him to Rantanen.

Congrats on not being able to read, but Marner refusing is not proof of anything, Freidman saying Treliving would prefer to sign Marner over Rantanen is proof.

They were both on the last year of their existing contracts, and neither was willing to discuss an extension at the time of the proposed trade.

So the contract statuses were the same, and he preferred Rantanen, obviously, because he was willing to make that trade.

Grasping.

That is not what was reported.

He wanted a signed Marner over an unsigned Rantanen. He also wanted an unsigned Rantanen over an unsigned Marner.

Where is the proof of this?

Did they ever even start negotiating?

Maybe part of the trade agreement would be a signed player.

Regardless, terrible with negotiations it seems, he can't get anything he wanted.

 

[Mess]

You mean the window that was about 2 weeks old for Tre and AFTER Shanny told everyone they were coming back? That window?

Yes, but only slightly longer but not much as it was officially 1 month.

Important Dates
============

- The Toronto Maple Leafs hired Brad Treliving as their new general manager on May 31, 2023. He replaced Kyle Dubas, who was fired on May 19.

- The 2023 NHL entry draft was the 61st entry draft for the National Hockey League. The draft was held on June 28–29, 2023, at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, Tennessee.

- Free Agency began July 1st , 2013 .. (When Marner's full move clause activated)

According to President Brendan Shanahan ... "Yes, the "Core Four" of the Toronto Maple Leafs, including Auston Matthews, William Nylander, John Tavares, and Mitch Marner, are returning for the 2024-25 season, despite Brendan Shanahan previously stating that "everything is on the table".

Shanahan in accordance with his newly named GM Brad Treliving have decided to keep the core intact. with Treliving expressing belief that the team will be different this season. The team has a busy offseason, and the goal remains to win the Stanley Cup, with a focus on making the team better and closer to that goal.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Congrats on not being able to read, but Marner refusing is not proof of anything, Freidman saying Treliving would prefer to sign Marner over Rantanen is proof.



Grasping.

That is not what was reported.

Congrats on not being able to read. I said Marner refusing is not proof of anything.

Or maybe that's just a backhanded way of agreeing wth me.

Is this another different version of "what Freidman said"? Ealier you said he said signing Marner was #1. And again, your saying that Freidman said that Treliving said something isn't proof that Treliving values Marner more.

I wasn't relying on "what was reported", but just the facts about their contracts.

 

[Dreakmur]

Where is the proof of this?

I suppose he might have preferred an unsigned Rantanen over a signed Marner, but didn’t know Rantanen would be available.

Did they ever even start negotiating?

You said Friedman reported that they did.

Maybe part of the trade agreement would be a signed player.

Maybe….

Regardless, terrible with negotiations it seems, he can't get anything he wanted.

He might be terrible, but just seems great compared to the last guy.

 

[notbias]

I suppose he might have preferred an unsigned Rantanen over a signed Marner, but didn’t know Rantanen would be available.

Everyone we know indicates this is not even close to the case.

You said Friedman reported that they did.

Freidman reported that they asked Marner about waiving his NMC, not much else.

Maybe….

Ok.

He might be terrible, but just seems great compared to the last guy.

Because he got nothing he wanted? Makes sense.

 

[notbias]

Yes, but only slightly longer but not much as it was officially 1 month.

Important Dates
============

- The Toronto Maple Leafs hired Brad Treliving as their new general manager on May 31, 2023. He replaced Kyle Dubas, who was fired on May 19.

- The 2023 NHL entry draft was the 61st entry draft for the National Hockey League. The draft was held on June 28–29, 2023, at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, Tennessee.

- Free Agency began July 1st , 2013 .. (When Marner's full move clause activated)

According to President Brendan Shanahan ... "Yes, the "Core Four" of the Toronto Maple Leafs, including Auston Matthews, William Nylander, John Tavares, and Mitch Marner, are returning for the 2024-25 season, despite Brendan Shanahan previously stating that "everything is on the table".

Shanahan in accordance with his newly named GM Brad Treliving have decided to keep the core intact. with Treliving expressing belief that the team will be different this season. The team has a busy offseason, and the goal remains to win the Stanley Cup, with a focus on making the team better and closer to that goal.

Either a bad GM, Shanny told him not to, or he has what he wants, your choice.

 

[notbias]

Congrats on not being able to read. I said Marner refusing is not proof of anything.

Or maybe that's just a backhanded way of agreeing wth me.

Is this another different version of "what Freidman said"? Ealier you said he said signing Marner was #1. And again, your saying that Freidman said that Treliving said something isn't proof that Treliving values Marner more.

I wasn't relying on "what was reported", but just the facts about their contracts.

I'd assume that Freidman saying Treliving wanted to sign Marner as first priority is more proof than whatever else is in this thread, but ok.

“The Hurricanes initially asked for Mitch Marner in return for Rantanen. Because it was for Rantanen, the Maple Leafs had to consider it. They told the winger their desire is to sign him, but they had to ask in this case. As is his right, Marner declined to move, re-iterating his desire to stay.”

Multiple sources, you can choose if he is lying and your gut (which also depends on this reporting) is a better source.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd assume that Freidman saying Treliving wanted to sign Marner as first priority is more proof than whatever else is in this thread, but ok.

“The Hurricanes initially asked for Mitch Marner in return for Rantanen. Because it was for Rantanen, the Maple Leafs had to consider it. They told the winger their desire is to sign him, but they had to ask in this case. As is his right, Marner declined to move, re-iterating his desire to stay.”

Multiple sources, you can choose if he is lying and your gut (which also depends on this reporting) is a better source.

That has been posted so many times now, it really is incredible that people are still confused by what happened.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I'd assume that Freidman saying Treliving wanted to sign Marner as first priority is more proof than whatever else is in this thread, but ok.

“The Hurricanes initially asked for Mitch Marner in return for Rantanen. Because it was for Rantanen, the Maple Leafs had to consider it. They told the winger their desire is to sign him, but they had to ask in this case. As is his right, Marner declined to move, re-iterating his desire to stay.”

First, as I asked before, when did he claim that Tre said signing Marner was first priority?

Second, why would the Leafs have to consider it? Maybe because Rantanen is a better player?

And your idea that someone says someone else said something is hardly more proof than the fact that Tre tried the trade.

 

[notbias]

First, as I asked before, when did he claim that Tre said signing Marner was first priority?

In the quote I gave you...

"They told the winger their desire is to sign him, but they had to ask in this case."

Their desire is to sign him, not their desire is to sign him only if Rantanen says no.

Second, why would the Leafs have to consider it? Maybe because Rantanen is a better player?

Because Marner isn't signed and if they can get a signed Rantanen that is better than a UFA that walks, not hard.

And your idea that someone says someone else said something is hardly more proof than the fact that Tre tried the trade.

The same person who is telling you the trade was tried (no trade negotiations were actually had) is the same person you are telling me not to believe about the other part of the conversation.

Please help me understand.

 

[colchar]

Treliving got nothing he wanted, and somehow you are happy about that?

And whose fault was that? It was Kyle Spreadsheet Dubious who gave Bitchy Mitchy the NMC.

 

[colchar]

Congrats on not being able to read, but Marner refusing is not proof of anything, Freidman saying Treliving would prefer to sign Marner over Rantanen is proof.

You think an unproven claim by some 'insider' is proof???

 

[notDatsyuk]

In the quote I gave you...

"They told the winger their desire is to sign him, but they had to ask in this case."

Their desire is to sign him, not their desire is to sign him only if Rantanen says no.



Because Marner isn't signed and if they can get a signed Rantanen that is better than a UFA that walks, not hard.



The same person who is telling you the trade was tried (no trade negotiations were actually had) is the same person you are telling me not to believe about the other part of the conversation.

Please help me understand.

I asked you "when", and you again didn't answer.

Neither one was signed beyond the end in this season, so your statement is meaningless.

I'm not disputing what may have been said, and I think more than just Freidman reported the proposed trade, but the doesn't change the fact that what he said is not proof that Tre thinks Marner is better.

I guess we may as well give up on the conversation if you're not willing to answer my question, or admit that hearsay isn't proof.

 

[ACC1224]

Maple Leafs general manager Brad Treliving said he wants to keep Marner in Toronto. “We're aligned with Mitch, we're worried about this season. We're worried about the games we have coming up. We want Mitch here for a long time,” Treliving said on March 7

treliving re-sign Marner - Google Suche

 

[Leafs4Life77]

It wasn’t his attempt though. Carolina attempted to get Marner.
Crazy people don’t know this.

Ok. In my opinion, Treliving deserves credit for going to Marner and asking him to waive in an attempt to get Rantanen.

You can describe it however you would like, Treliving doesn't go to Marner and ask him to waive unless in that very moment he prefers Rantanen to Marner. If Carolina is offering Kotkaniemi, he's not taking it to Marner as he obviously prefers having Mitch.

 

[ACC1224]

Ok. In my opinion, Treliving deserves credit for going to Marner and asking him to waive in an attempt to get Rantanen.

You can describe it however you would like, Treliving doesn't go to Marner and ask him to waive unless in that very moment he prefers Rantanen to Marner. If Carolina is offering Kotkaniemi, he's not taking it to Marner as he obviously prefers having Mitch.

It has nothing to do with what I like, it's just coming to a reasonable conclusion based on what we know.

Treliving's preference from what we know in this situation was to move picks/prospects for Rantanan. Carolinas preference was Marner not picks/prospects.

He knew what Marners answer would be before he asked, this was equal parts covering his ass and a negotiation ploy.

(He may very well prefer Rantanan, we'll never know. This situation isn't telling us that though)