Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[authentic]

Last night was a bad night but that happens.

Regardless of how this playoffs ends I've been proven right.

It took Treliving less then 2 years and Berube less then a year to accomplish more then Dubas and Keefe did in 5.

Yes I'm still sure about this.

The team is on the right track.

You mean win 1 more game against .870 goaltending than we did against .920 goaltending? If we don’t win this series you’re not right about anything here, sorry.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You mean win 1 more game against .879 goaltending than we did against .920 goaltending? If we don’t win this series you’re not right about anything here, sorry.

I never said it was a high bar, but the fact still remains the second they won that 6th game, they achieved more then Dubas and Keefe ever did.

That was the moment I was proven right no matter what you and the rest of the cult of Kyle Dubas say

 

[authentic]

Also, I don’t want to pick sides here, both GMs are crap. But atleast win round 2 before claiming this team is more successful

 

[authentic]

I never said it was a high bar, but the fact still remains the second they won that 6th game, they achieved more then Dubas and Keefe ever did.

That was the moment I was proven right no matter what you and the rest of the cult of Kyle Dubas say

I’m not part of the cult of Dubas, just saying this team is getting outplayed comfortably the past few games by a clearly worse Florida team after a perfect opportunity to put a stranglehold on the series. Pray you’re right going forward but I’m not betting money it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Because Marner didn't agree to sign.

How is this so difficult for people to understand?

Logic, use it.

Are you saying that Tre thought Marner was a better player but wanted to trade him anyway because Marner wanted to sign with the Leafs, just not during the season?

I suppose there's almost a bit of logic there, although there really isn't anything in that to show he preferred Marner. If he actually preferred Marner he would have said no to the trade and just prepared to sign him in the off-season.

Logic.

 

[notbias]

Are you saying that Tre thought Marner was a better player but wanted to trade him anyway because Marner wanted to sign with the Leafs, just not during the season?

I suppose there's almost a bit of logic there, although there really isn't anything in that to show he preferred Marner. If he actually preferred Marner he would have said no to the trade and just prepared to sign him in the off-season.

Logic.

I am saying that Freidman reported that priority #1 was Treliving signing Marner.

Do whatever you want with that info, but he wanted a signed Marner over Rantanen.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I am saying that Freidman reported that priority #1 was Treliving signing Marner.

Do whatever you want with that info, but he wanted a signed Marner over Rantanen.

Freidman saying he wanted to sign Marner is one thing. (And of course Freidman saying it doesn't make it true.)

Wanting to trade Marner for Rantanen is another.

Neither one shows he wanted a signed Marner over Rantanen.

You have a gap in the logic.

 

[notbias]

Freidman saying he wanted to sign Marner is one thing. (And of course Freidman saying it doesn't make it true.)

Wanting to trade Marner for Rantanen is another.

Neither one shows he wanted a signed Marner over Rantanen.

You have a gap in the logic.

The Hurricanes had wanted Mitch Marner, the Leafs did NOT offer him. The Leafs had went to Marner and said that their priority was to sign him but Carolina was calling about him.
Marner was not willing to waive his trade clause because he wants to remain with the Maple Leafs.

Not hard.

Tre said the priority was to sign him.

So they wanted to sign him over Rantanen.

Why is this so hard for you?

Why would you take Freidman's word that Marner was offered in a trade but not that they had the convo above?

The convo above doesn't even look like the Leafs offered him, Carolina wanted him in the trade, Marner said no, it ended there.

Logic, not even once...

 

[ACC1224]

Not hard.

Tre said the priority was to sign him.

So they wanted to sign him over Rantanen.

Why is this so hard for you?

Why would you take Freidman's word that Marner was offered in a trade but not that they had the convo above?

The convo above doesn't even look like the Leafs offered him, Carolina wanted him in the trade, Marner said no, it ended there.

Logic, not even once...

Seems pretty straightforward, some continue to struggle with it.
What we know is they tried to trade Nylander but his value wasn’t good enough so they re-signed him. They’ve been consistent in saying their intention is to sign Marner, didn’t even attempt to trade him when they had the window.

Zero chance the team is going to let arguably their best all around player and leading scorer walk unless he chooses to.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Not hard.

Tre said the priority was to sign him.

So they wanted to sign him over Rantanen.

Why is this so hard for you?

Why would you take Freidman's word that Marner was offered in a trade but not that they had the convo above?

The convo above doesn't even look like the Leafs offered him, Carolina wanted him in the trade, Marner said no, it ended there.

Logic, not even once...

So why would Tre ask Marner if he would accept a trade if he didn't want to trade him?

There is something missing in the logic. I don't know whether it's in what you heard from a second-hand source, or something missing in your reporting.

And the main point is still - none of this is evidence that Tre values Marner higher than Rantanen. He might, but this isn't proof.

 

[Mess]

If "Treliving prefers Marner to Rantanen" then why did he want to make the trade?

Weirdly, so many people are confused by this.

Not only did Treliving want to make the trade, but he approached Marner with a FULL NO MOVE clause, asking him to waive it, and even forced him to invoke it to block it, so he couldn't deal him away. Not a regular occurrence by any means, and not one without serious long-term consequences.

You don't ask any player (even more so a perceived core player) that you ideally desire to keep to do that, unless the return is simply too good and you're willing to risk any future hard feelings with your own player by clearly demonstrating through that request you're willing to move on without him.

On top of that both Marner and at the time Rantanen were both pending UFAs. So Treliving was willing to lose both Marner to trade & Rantanen potentially to UFA by making this deal. leaving Leafs with nothing beyond this season. (excluding the possibility of hoisting the Cup of course " ).

So BT went ALL-IN and pushed all his chips into the middle to try and complete this transaction to increase Leafs Cup chances. Hard to blame him seeing how dominate Rantanen is during this year playoffs by leading them in scoring currently.

 

[Leafs4Life77]

I'm not blaming anyone, just stating that Treliving prefers Marner to Rantanen.

Weirdly, so many people are upset with this.

He may have preferred a signed Marner to Rantanen but he clearly reached a point where he preferred Rantanen for the remainder of 2024-2025 vs. Marner as he tried to flip them.

He deserves credit for his attempt to get Rantanen IMO

 

[Mess]

He may have preferred a signed Marner to Rantanen but he clearly reached a point where he preferred Rantanen for the remainder of 2024-2025 vs. Marner as he tried to flip them.

He deserves credit for his attempt to get Rantanen IMO

Which if you play that out, that means Treliving wanted the power-forward Rantanen more for Leafs playoff run of 2025 than anything he believed Marner could have provided. Not hard to make that point based on the evidence in play.

On a risk vs reward scale, perhaps BT believed the odds would be far more likely Marner would return and re-sign in Toronto thereafter, as opposed to hoping Rantanen to lock in long-term to a new team would have.

However then worst case scenario believed Marner still might come crawling back, and he might still have a chance to re-sign him this summer to return to Toronto because of Marner's desire to play in TO, should Rantanen have departed as a UFA post playoffs, if unable to re-sign.

If option #1 was for both GM BT and Player Marner was to stay in Toronto then timing is everything, and instead of waiving his NMC to move on.. Why didn't Marner and his agent Darren Ferris use that pressure point and agree to terms on a new contract and re-sign in TO at that time, If that was indeed the desire of BOTH sides as some believe?

Marner currently finds himself locked between refusing to leave, and refusing to re-sign, and is no closer to remaining a Leaf beyond this season, then when he refused to waive his NMC.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

By low balling you mean potential offers that Treliving thought he was worth re-signing for.

Once Marner asked was too high (assumed by not taking a Leafs offer), he became expendable and thus Treliving jumped at the first chance to trade him 1-1 for Rantanen. This trade would have made Leafs a favourite for the Stanley Cup by adding the big powerforward. IMO

Can you imagine Auston Matthews centering a line of Matthew Knies and Mikko Rantanen?

The trade opportunity itself came out of left field, as I had hoped that Leafs would walk away from Marner, as a UFA and then use that $$$ to sign Rantanen instead for similar cap hit. My Dream scenario which had risks on the open market, that a direct trade would have eliminated.

I wonder to this day had the trade between Colorado (Rantanen original team) directly instead of Carolina, could BT have convinced Marner to waive his NMC to go play with MacKinnon?

You just know that Marner is going to sign with Carolina to rub the salt in the wound...And then claim that Management came to him at the last minute with the trade proposal and he had to think of his wife and kid...but otherwise he would have loved to go to the Canes...that's why he signed now.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Seems pretty straightforward, some continue to struggle with it.
What we know is they tried to trade Nylander but his value wasn’t good enough so they re-signed him. They’ve been consistent in saying their intention is to sign Marner, didn’t even attempt to trade him when they had the window.

Zero chance the team is going to let arguably their best all around player and leading scorer walk unless he chooses to.

You mean the window that was about 2 weeks old for Tre and AFTER Shanny told everyone they were coming back? That window?

 

[notbias]

He may have preferred a signed Marner to Rantanen but he clearly reached a point where he preferred Rantanen for the remainder of 2024-2025 vs. Marner as he tried to flip them.

He deserves credit for his attempt to get Rantanen IMO

He probably preferred a signed Rantanen over an unsigned Rantanen, maybe.

But if all contract statuses are the same, he preferred Marner.

Why do you want him to get credit for not achieving anything he wanted? That seems odd.

 

[notbias]

Which if you play that out, that means Treliving wanted the power-forward Rantanen more for Leafs playoff run of 2025 than anything he believed Marner could have provided. Not hard to make that point based on the evidence in play.

On a risk vs reward scale, perhaps BT believed the odds would be far more likely Marner would return and re-sign in Toronto thereafter, as opposed to hoping Rantanen to lock in long-term to a new team would have.

However then worst case scenario believed Marner still might come crawling back, and he might still have a chance to re-sign him this summer to return to Toronto because of Marner's desire to play in TO, should Rantanen have departed as a UFA post playoffs, if unable to re-sign.

If option #1 was for both GM BT and Player Marner was to stay in Toronto then timing is everything, and instead of waiving his NMC to move on.. Why didn't Marner and his agent Darren Ferris use that pressure point and agree to terms on a new contract and re-sign in TO at that time, If that was indeed the desire of BOTH sides as some believe?

Marner currently finds himself locked between refusing to leave, and refusing to re-sign, and is no closer to remaining a Leaf beyond this season, then when he refused to waive his NMC.

Treliving got nothing he wanted, and somehow you are happy about that?

 

[ACC1224]

He may have preferred a signed Marner to Rantanen but he clearly reached a point where he preferred Rantanen for the remainder of 2024-2025 vs. Marner as he tried to flip them.

He deserves credit for his attempt to get Rantanen IMO

It wasn’t his attempt though. Carolina attempted to get Marner.
Crazy people don’t know this.

 

[ACC1224]

Not only did Treliving want to make the trade, but he approached Marner with a FULL NO MOVE clause, asking him to waive it, and even forced him to invoke it to block it, so he couldn't deal him away. Not a regular occurrence by any means, and not one without serious long-term consequences.

You don't ask any player (even more so a perceived core player) that you ideally desire to keep to do that, unless the return is simply too good and you're willing to risk any future hard feelings with your own player by clearly demonstrating through that request you're willing to move on without him.

On top of that both Marner and at the time Rantanen were both pending UFAs. So Treliving was willing to lose both Marner to trade & Rantanen potentially to UFA by making this deal. leaving Leafs with nothing beyond this season. (excluding the possibility of hoisting the Cup of course " ).

So BT went ALL-IN and pushed all his chips into the middle to try and complete this transaction to increase Leafs Cup chances. Hard to blame him seeing how dominate Rantanen is during this year playoffs by leading them in scoring currently.

Wrong and when you post the same thing tomorrow you’ll be wrong again.

 

[sunstersun]

Carlo and Laughton are big Ls

 

[Dreakmur]

I am saying that Freidman reported that priority #1 was Treliving signing Marner.

Do whatever you want with that info, but he wanted a signed Marner over Rantanen.

He wanted a signed Marner over an unsigned Rantanen. He also wanted an unsigned Rantanen over an unsigned Marner.

 

[LeafEgo]

He wanted a signed Marner over an unsigned Rantanen. He also wanted an unsigned Rantanen over an unsigned Marner.

I don't know that that first part is true.

Tre has treated Marner as a castaway since last offseason.

 

[Rare Jewel]

If option #1 was for both GM BT and Player Marner was to stay in Toronto then timing is everything, and instead of waiving his NMC to move on.. Why didn't Marner and his agent Darren Ferris use that pressure point and agree to terms on a new contract and re-sign in TO at that time, If that was indeed the desire of BOTH sides as some believe?

Well, because the M.O of that agent is to take the player to free agency. He's doing right by the player, but as far as putting the team together, it can be a rather obstinate tactic.

Who knows whether that means the end of Marner in TO.

But if a team offers him $14x7, I'm not sure what you do.

 

[Dreakmur]

Well, because the M.O of that agent is to take the player to free agency. He's doing right by the player, but as far as putting the team together, it can be a rather obstinate tactic.

Who knows whether that means the end of Marner in TO.

But if a team offers him $14x7, I'm not sure what you do.

If a team offers him 14, I’m very sure what you do!

 

[notDatsyuk]

Seems pretty straightforward, some continue to struggle with it.
What we know is they tried to trade Nylander but his value wasn’t good enough so they re-signed him. They’ve been consistent in saying their intention is to sign Marner, didn’t even attempt to trade him when they had the window.

Zero chance the team is going to let arguably their best all around player and leading scorer walk unless he chooses to.

Of course the other part that's (intentionally?) omitted from his argument is that the stated priority to sign him was long before they thought they could get that much better a player for him.

I can say I want to sign Domi (for example) and if later I'm offered Makar in exchange, that doesn't mean I think Domi is a better player. The fact that I'd jump at the offer and immediately ask Domi to waive his NMC would show otherwise.

And the team didn't trade their best player and leading goal scorer - they signed him last year. We're discussing Marner.