Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[1specter]

Notice how cameras haven’t shown one shot of Treliving during the game?

I remember tons of shots of Dubas.

They showed Tre multiple times last night? He looked calm and collected though.

 

[leafs in five]

Do you have a point here or are you just trolling?

You must have a point if you are going to bother digging through posts made a month ago on Trade Deadline day, where I am expressing my frustration with Shanahan and his leadership.

……… unless you have no point and like a typical Dubasite you have nothing relevant or of value to contribute here.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m flattered that my words are so deep and meaningful to you, and they resonate and linger in your mind for months on end, apparently.

Carry on.

I guess my point is that basically everyone on here, from the most loyal #dubasite to the most weathered old time hockey hardass, has declared this team dead and buried over the past couple years, even months. and so I find the gloating to be tawdry and also ill-conceived

 

[leafs in five]

They showed Tre multiple times last night? He looked calm and collected though.

yes they showed him plenty

 

[Warden of the North]

Carlo and Tanev have been such massive upgrades to our D. Dubas did get McCabe, but he also pissed around for years with tiny defensemen who were not capable of playoff calibre hockey. This is likely the best Leafs D corps I've ever seen in my 30 years of watching this team.

Also, the bottom 6 and drafting. No more Malgin's and Semyon Der Argurehateverhisnamewas. A functional bottom 6 that can play in the playoffs.

 

[LeafSteel]

I guess my point is that basically everyone on here, from the most loyal #dubasite to the most weathered old time hockey hardass, has declared this team dead and buried over the past couple years, even months. and so I find the gloating to be tawdry and also ill-conceived

Please provide an example of my said tawdry and ill-conceived gloating. Actually, don’t bother. Your angle is pretty easy to see and even easier to ignore.

I asked for the conversation in the Treliving thread to be redirected back to a discussion on Treliving.

Do you have anything relevant to add the discussion or do you plan to stay in the puckies? Either way, we are done here.

Have an excellent day.

 

[leafs in five]

I asked for the conversation in the Treliving thread to be redirected back to a discussion on Treliving.

I agree that that would be nice

 

[leafs in five]

also how come they aren't showing the GM on TV as much as they showed Dubas

 

[notbias]

Carlo and Tanev have been such massive upgrades to our D. Dubas did get McCabe, but he also pissed around for years with tiny defensemen who were not capable of playoff calibre hockey. This is likely the best Leafs D corps I've ever seen in my 30 years of watching this team.

Also, the bottom 6 and drafting. No more Malgin's and Semyon Der Argurehateverhisnamewas. A functional bottom 6 that can play in the playoffs.

100%, wasted time with guys like Muzzin, Schenn, Lub, Gio, Bogo, far too many small D who are all skill and nothing more.

Bottom 6 comment is 1000x worse, so we can leave that, but this is probably the smallest and softest bottom 6 we've ever had.

They are winning, we can celebrate that, but why are we making up reasons for it?

Stolarz has been amazing (good job Treliving) and the big guns have been scoring (despite half this board wanting them gone).

 

[Warden of the North]

100%, wasted time with guys like Muzzin, Schenn, Lub, Gio, Bogo, far too many small D who are all skill and nothing more.

Bottom 6 comment is 1000x worse, so we can leave that, but this is probably the smallest and softest bottom 6 we've ever had.

They are winning, we can celebrate that, but why are we making up reasons for it?

Stolarz has been amazing (good job Treliving) and the big guns have been scoring (despite half this board wanting them gone).

Muzzin was fine but injuries derailed him.

I also liked Schenn, the issue was he was a rental. Tre seems to value term in his acquisitions.

 

[notbias]

Muzzin was fine but injuries derailed him.

I also liked Schenn, the issue was he was a rental. Tre seems to value term in his acquisitions.

Seems weird to ignore the overall point of the post... Dubas never chased small soft D as you said he did, he made plenty of moves to do the opposite.

Tre didn't value any term in his acquisitions last year, so it is debatable if he does, and the term this year (outside of Carlo), is to people who are past their prime, I don't think it was Tre pushing to sign Tanev until he is 40.

 

[leafs in five]

placing all our bottom 6 hopes on Semyon Der Arguchintsev was a mistake for sure

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

A shot like that will go in way more often that skating around in circles with the puck with the puck will.

Get traffic in front of the goalie, throw shots at the net and then crash the crease - - it’s not pretty on the highlight package and it’s not pretty on the spreadsheet but that’s how you win in the playoffs, my friend.

Bozo The Keefe and Kyle Dumbass could never figure this out, which is why they were such abject failures in the post season.

I can just imagine Keefe and Dubas sitting there scratching their heads saying "It can't be that simple...can it?"....Yes Young Sheldon...it can.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Remember when everyone was praising Dubas when we won the Calder under his AHL watch. Yep, no contracts, no trades, no drafts, what a triumph! Man ran great bobblehead nights though.

People seem to forget he also signed career AHL tweeners who were being paid contracts above 250K to play here which is a big advantage. Not too many teams actually game a Calder cup because they are looking at the AHL as developmental and not a means to an end by hiring ringers so you can flex your financial might. In essence, Daddy MLSE helped buy him an AHL championship.

 

[DarkKnight]

People seem to forget he also signed career AHL tweeners who were being paid contracts above 250K to play here which is a big advantage. Not too many teams actually game a Calder cup because they are looking at the AHL as developmental and not a means to an end by hiring ringers so you can flex your financial might. In essence, Daddy MLSE helped buy him an AHL championship.

The worst part, he then fell in love with bums like Sparks and Holl.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Even if the only major improvement in this team was goaltending (it was) that's not a bad thing.

Upgrading the goaltending was a MAJOR improvement. They get out-goalied in the playoffs every year. It's finally looking like they got the better netminder for a change.

That's a good thing.

Treliving did in his second season what Dubas failed to accomplish his entire tenure here. Solidify the most important position in the sport. Stolarz has been spectacular and Treliving deserves full credit for bringing him in.

And if Stolarz gets hurt I have every confidence in Woll to be able to handle the job.

Either of these guys are infinitely better than those patheticly porous slop muckers Dubas brought in year after year. Like the old saying goes: goaltending is eighty percent of the game. Unless you don't have it... then it's a hundred percent.

And the Leafs have the two best netminders I've seen in the Matthews era yet.

Go Leafs Go!!!

 

[leafs in five]

People seem to forget he also signed career AHL tweeners who were being paid contracts above 250K to play here which is a big advantage. Not too many teams actually game a Calder cup because they are looking at the AHL as developmental and not a means to an end by hiring ringers so you can flex your financial might. In essence, Daddy MLSE helped buy him an AHL championship.

let us never forget this, I say let us keep talking about it throughout this series and these playoffs

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Carlo and Tanev have been such massive upgrades to our D. Dubas did get McCabe, but he also pissed around for years with tiny defensemen who were not capable of playoff calibre hockey. This is likely the best Leafs D corps I've ever seen in my 30 years of watching this team.

Also, the bottom 6 and drafting. No more Malgin's and Semyon Der Argurehateverhisnamewas. A functional bottom 6 that can play in the playoffs.

I got almost 25 years myself I don't think it's arguable, this is without a doubt the best defense they have had.

They go at least 8 deep.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Even if the only major improvement in this team was goaltending (it was) that's not a bad thing.

Upgrading the goaltending was a MAJOR improvement. They get out-goalied in the playoffs every year. It's finally looking like they got the better netminder for a change.

That's a good thing.

Treliving did in his second season what Dubas failed to accomplish his entire tenure here. Solidify the most important position in the sport. Stolarz has been spectacular and Treliving deserves full credit for bringing him in.

And if Stolarz gets hurt I have every confidence in Woll to be able to handle the job.

Either of these guys are infinitely better than those patheticly porous slop muckers Dubas brought in year after year. Like the old saying goes: goaltending is eighty percent of the game. Unless you don't have it... then it's a hundred percent.

And the Leafs have the two best netminders I've seen in the Matthews era yet.

Go Leafs Go!!!

Stolarz has been GREAT but it amazes me how much you REFUSE to see the CLEAR upgrade in coaching.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Why are people wasting time defending Dubas here? Let it go. I was once a "Lou guy". He left. I wish him all the best in his personal life and many healthy and happy years ahead, but I don't give two shits about him anymore, hockey wise. If people on this forum wish to criticize Lou for what he did in the past, I'm not putting in any time or effort to defend him. He's just a GM.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Bottom 6 comment is 1000x worse, so we can leave that, but this is probably the smallest and softest bottom 6 we've ever had

I'd probably take this bottom 6 over the likes of Engvall, Mikheyev, Kerfoot, Spezza, Lafferty, etc. Way too many vanilla players who were borderline useless in the playoffs

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

100%, wasted time with guys like Muzzin, Schenn, Lub, Gio, Bogo, far too many small D who are all skill and nothing more.

Bottom 6 comment is 1000x worse, so we can leave that, but this is probably the smallest and softest bottom 6 we've ever had.

They are winning, we can celebrate that, but why are we making up reasons for it?

Stolarz has been amazing (good job Treliving) and the big guns have been scoring (despite half this board wanting them gone).

Muzzin was a great add that came to an unfortunate end.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I'd probably take this bottom 6 over the likes of Engvall, Mikheyev, Kerfoot, Spezza, Lafferty, etc. Way too many vanilla players who were borderline useless in the playoffs

Spezza shouldn't be included in that he was great

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Spezza shouldn't be included in that he was great

Yeah true. He was solid on the 2nd PP unit as well. Wasn't much of a factor in two of the playoffs, but at least he showed some fight unlike some of the other guys in the bottom 6

 

[3blizzard4]

They showed Tre multiple times last night? He looked calm and collected though.

Dang. I was glued to the tv but do t recall seeing him. I guess I redact my point.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Seems weird to ignore the overall point of the post... Dubas never chased small soft D as you said he did, he made plenty of moves to do the opposite.

Tre didn't value any term in his acquisitions last year, so it is debatable if he does, and the term this year (outside of Carlo), is to people who are past their prime, I don't think it was Tre pushing to sign Tanev until he is 40.

The problem with Dubas, and this is Shanahan's fault for hiring him, was that he was learning on the job. Initially, he thought soft or smallish defencemen like Barrie, Sandin, Dermott, Marincin, Carrick, Borgman, Liljegren was the way to prepare for a playoff-ready d-core. But he learned too late that you need tougher dmen who had sandpaper like Muzzin, Giordano, Bogosian, McCabe, Schenn, Lybushkin. Unfortunately, Muzzin was injured alot, Giordano was older, Schenn and Lybushkin were rentals. So, he realized the error of his ways but he didn't know how to build a sustainable defence.

Early in his tenure, he liked a soft bottom 6 as well. Remember Malgin, Petan, Timashov, Kerfoot, Ennis, Engvall, Johnsson etc. Treliving's bottom 6 is by no means the softest of the core 4 era