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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Individually you are probably right.
But the defense was never this deep under previous management.
You can't tell me Bush was ever as good as Benoit.
You can't tell me that even at his best Brodie was ever as good as Tanev is now and Brodie was great his first 3 1/2 years but he's not Tanev.
Gio, I loved me some Gio, we all did but he is not Carlo.
And there was never the 3rd pair guy the caliber of OEL, or a 3rd pair in general the caliber of OEL and Benoit.
Full credit for the McCabe trade, I'd have that as Dubas's greatest trade personally and his 2nd best move overall behind Tavares.
But no, at no point under previous management has the defense been this deep.
There is never a point where I go "I hope the defense doesn't f*** this up."
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That's largely recency bias. We've already seen quite a few forget how good Muzzin was. Many also seem to forget that Brodie was one of the better defensive defensemen in the league in the early 2020s, and that Giordano was playing 21+ minutes a night on a top pairing before coming here. I won't go over everybody, but we've also had quite a few quality depth defensemen. I wasn't even a big fan of Boosh, but it would be hard to argue that he's worse than Benoit. In fact, that Benoit-OEL pairing had quite a few struggles this year.

The team did clean things up defensively in the first round (and we're all riding the high of the series win), so I don't want to be too hard on them right now, but even those defensive results aren't really new (though they may seem to be, in contrast to last year).

Hopefully they can keep up the defensive results against Florida, as we're likely going to need to push for more offensive generation against them than we did against Ottawa.
 
Dekes For Days said:
That's largely recency bias. We've already seen quite a few forget how good Muzzin was. Many also seem to forget that Brodie was one of the better defensive defensemen in the league in the early 2020s, and that Giordano was playing 21+ minutes a night on a top pairing before coming here. I won't go over everybody, but we've also had quite a few quality depth defensemen. I wasn't even a big fan of Boosh, but it would be hard to argue that he's worse than Benoit. In fact, that Benoit-OEL pairing had quite a few struggles this year.

The team did clean things up defensively in the first round (and we're all riding the high of the series win), so I don't want to be too hard on them right now, but even those defensive results aren't really new (though they may seem to be, in contrast to last year).

Hopefully they can keep up the defensive results against Florida, as we're likely going to need to push for more offensive generation against them than we did against Ottawa.
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Brodie was the wrong dman to acquire at the time but what do you expect from dubas tanev was better and cheaper galaxy brain as usual
 
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Mess said:
Losing matters also.

Remember when we lost to CBJ in the play-in round in best of 5 series,and in the all Canadian Div after winning it and up 3 games to 1 lost to Montreal?

In 2019-20 the NHL invented a +24 team playing in format where Leafs didn't even qualify for the final 16 after losing to Columbus one of the lowest scoring teams in the league, who in a regular format of 16 playoff teams wouldn't have qualified to compete.

Dubas embarrassed Leaf Nation in epic fashion by losing a pair of series to 2 teams that wouldn't even have qualified for the playoffs. Montreal only made the playoffs because of Covid new closed divisions for rounds #1 and #2 forced Canadiens into the playoffs.

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Despite finishing +18 points higher in the standings and all 7 games played at ACC as home games for the Leafs and being up 3-1 after 4 still found a way to lose under Dubas built team including Keefe coaching.

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These 2 playoff results make Dubas one of the worst GMs in the entire NHL never mind just screwing over the Leaf Nation fans through his gross incompetence, and leaving a life-long bad taste & hard to forget and forgive.
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Doesn’t matter to me much, those losses are in the past they have very little affect now.
 
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arso40 said:
Brodie was the wrong dman to acquire at the time
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No he wasn't. He was exactly the kind of defenseman we needed at the time, and he played great for us. Tanev has had a great year and is better than Brodie now, but he wasn't back then, and he had massive injury concerns surrounding him. Tanev has kind of defied typical age and injury trends. Hopefully that continues, because we have him for 5 more years.
 
Dekes For Days said:
No he wasn't. He was exactly the kind of defenseman we needed at the time, and he played great for us. Tanev has had a great year and is better than Brodie now, but he wasn't back then, and he had massive injury concerns surrounding him. Tanev has kind of defied typical age and injury trends. Hopefully that continues, because we have him for 5 more years.
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No he wasn’t he was a good dman but we’ve needed a right shot for a decade hindsight should make even you admit it was the wrong dman to get
 
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Multiple Sportsnet analysts have discussed Craig Berube's work behind the bench in Toronto, and one analyst credited the Leafs' head coach for the decision that led directly to their Game 6 win over Ottawa.​

A key contributor in the victory was Max Pacioretty, who scored the game-winning goal after being promoted to the second line.

Interestingly, Pacioretty's continued presence in the lineup was a calculated decision by Maple Leafs head coach Craig Berube. Despite the team's struggles with Pacioretty in the lineup earlier in the series, Berube stood by the veteran forward-and that patience paid off.​

As noted by Sam McKee on The FAN590 radio show, Berube's coaching philosophy stands in contrast to that of former Leafs head coach Sheldon Keefe:

"Sheldon Keefe probably would've made lineup changes going into that game But [Craig Berube] leaves [Max Pacioretty] in, elevates him, and he shoots it in. That's a credit to the coach."​
 
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arso40 said:
No he wasn’t he was a good dman but we’ve needed a right shot for a decade
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We don't have any more right shots than we used to have. Brodie played great on the right side before he even came to us. I know Babcock has made people fixate on this, but there's a lot more to defensemen than what side they shoot from.
 
BlueForever75 said:
Sorry I would have to say that Tanev is much better then Muzzin ever was for the Leafs.
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Muzzin looked a lot better to some because he was easily so much better than the rest of the group...and unique by being a larger guy who hit people. We now have a bunch of bigger hitters and Tanev might not look so far out in front of the pack compared to Muzzin...but that's because the rest of the D is so good.
 
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arso40 said:
Believe it or not holmberg has been one of the best forwards on our team I don’t see him
Coming out
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He does his job and because we don't like that his performance isn't flashy...we tend to think he is underperforming. Berube doesn't feel that way because Holmberg is doing exactly what he was told to do...simple really. We don't see what Berube sees.
 
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I am not afraid to see the bottom pair play while in the past I was scared everytime the bottom pair was out. Brad has done a good improving the depth of the D. Now if there is an injury I am worried but the top 6 are solid.
 
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Apex Predator said:
I am not afraid to see the bottom pair play while in the past I was scared everytime the bottom pair was out. Brad has done a good improving the depth of the D. Now if there is an injury I am worried but the top 6 are solid.
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Are you though? because the #7 guy is Phil Myers.

Who has a better #7 guy?

A #7 guy is a #7 guy for a reason.
 
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The best thing treliving did was not spend on rentals.

Look. The avs just spent a top C prospect and 5 picks to get beat in round 1. That’s dubas level bad.

I was ok with Kyle. But after he traded the whole farm again to win one round to Try to save his job when he knew he was leaving.
Brutal
Brad clearly has been better. He actually filled the holes we needed filled
 
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All Mod Cons said:
If he was trying to do a Rantanen for Marner trade, I think you've gotta have a lot of faith in the GM. He sees the game with the correct mindset.
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Every GM in the league except for one would do that trade - it was one of those golden platter opportunities out of unusual circumstance.

Ironically, it was because of that one GM, Tre wasn't able to.
 
Apex Predator said:
All I’m saying is in the past the number 4-6 guys I was concerned about. Now I feel comfortable with the 6 which is a good feeling.
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On that we agree under Kyle there was ALWAYS, AT LEAST 1 player on the defense that would cause me to go "I hope he doesn't f*** this up."

That player was usually Justin Holl.

It took a year but now we are at the point, where I don't say that anymore.

1-7 I'm confident in the defense.
 
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Legion34 said:
The best thing treliving did was not spend on rentals.

Look. The avs just spent a top C prospect and 5 picks to get beat in round 1. That’s dubas level bad.

I was ok with Kyle. But after he traded the whole farm again to win one round to Try to save his job when he knew he was leaving.
Brutal
Brad clearly has been better. He actually filled the holes we needed filled
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They don’t seem to understand that it was fleecing us for kadri that won them the cup Hes gone and no knocc on who they brought in but Nelson and coyle are not borderline number 1s
 
arso40 said:
They don’t seem to understand that it was fleecing us for kadri that won them the cup Hes gone and no knocc on who they brought in but Nelson and coyle are not borderline number 1s
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I still think Coyle was a good move for them because he has term.

But yes they spent A LOT for Nelson and it didn't work.

Now do they bring him back?
 
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Will Mitch Marner's blocked trade have lingering effect on Maple Leafs?​


Leafs Gm Treliving had a deal of Marner for Rantanen at TD that an UNWANTED Marner blocked with NMC.

Anybody watch Ratanen in the Colorado series against the recent Cup Champs?

Here is Mikko's impact in games #5-7 only to help Dallas advance in round #1,

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That's 4 points including Hattrick in game #7 & 4 points in game #6 and 3 points in game #5
for a total of 11 points in 3 games.

Mitch Marner over his entire Leafs career in games #5-7 has in 19 games recorded 0-6-6 points,

If our GM had his way Mikko would be a Maple today.
 
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Apex Predator said:
I am not afraid to see the bottom pair play while in the past I was scared everytime the bottom pair was out. Brad has done a good improving the depth of the D. Now if there is an injury I am worried but the top 6 are solid.
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They have played Ottawa so far... good series win, good team defense, overcame bad goaltending, but let's see how the team holds up against a team with a lot more firepower.
 
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Mess said:

Will Mitch Marner's blocked trade have lingering effect on Maple Leafs?​


Leafs Gm Treliving had a deal of Marner for Rantanen at TD that an UNWANTED Marner blocked with NMC.

Anybody watch Ratanen in the Colorado series against the recent Cup Champs?

Here is Mikko's impact in games #5-7 only to help Dallas advance in round #1,

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That's 4 points including Hattrick in game #7 & 4 points in game #6 and 3 points in game #5
for a total of 11 points in 3 games.

Mitch Marner over his entire Leafs career in games #5-7 has in 19 games recorded 0-6-6 points,

If our GM had his way Mikko would be a Maple today.
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Why are our mods so uninformed?

Treliving tried to re-sign Marner, he is not unwanted, it was priority #1.
 
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