GDT: Brad Treliving End of Season Presser Thursday @ 10am

[Gabriel426]

This is what I don’t get. Let’s say this past season, MM only got 55pts in the regular but is currently leading the Leafs to the Finals and putting up numbers like Bennett. Pretty sure everyone would think MM is worth his contract.

Now if Bennett puts up 50pts and end up leading the Leafs like he is now to the Cup Finals at 9mil/yr. Won’t that make it a better deal compare to the MM scenario that I just listed?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

You clearly haven't seen the posts here from Dubasites who are still defending him.




An irrelevant one.





Not when winning the Cup is the goal. Nobody gives a shit about President's Trophies, Corsi Cups, respect in the handshake line, etc.

That is what the ignore list is for.

 

[Fogelhund]

You clearly haven't seen the posts here from Dubasites who are still defending him.

Please link to one post, where a post claims what is being suggested. Thanks.

 

[killer1980]

Dubas was the outside the box thinker. Not a chance in hell I want to return to that shit.

I don't think Dubas thought outside the box at all. He did the obvious and told The Board exactly what they wanted to hear. "We're gonna get the highest skilled players in the league," That was true and The Board loved the core 4. Dubas did the obvious and he failed miserably, just like I predicted when he was hired.

 

[rumman]

There will never be empty seats but does not mean those butts in the seats are happy. See Ballard years. See throwing waffles and jerseys on the ice.

I’m pretty sure Pelley didn’t like the Leaf garb being thrown on the ice, well at least the visual of it, but probably liked it meant jerseys thrown will need replacing……..

 

[Tak7]

Tre just seems so meek to me. A good GM stands up to his best player and tells him you have to rest and be ready at 100% come the most important time of the year (the playoffs). Or he was scared to miss the playoffs without Matthews. Just not a good look at all. Matthews is a prick too. "Oh I just need to rest for 4 months and be ready for next season" Why didn't you rest up during the regular season to be ready for this year's playoffs, you muppet?

I don't necessarily disagree with this - however, the calling card for this organization, from the start, has been to give and do whatever the stars want, all the time.

So even if Matthews had to have a hip replaced, or a leg amputated: if he said he's playing at Four Nations, they're carrying his bags onto the plane for him.

And maybe that's the right decision? I don't know - it seems like the Canucks, by comparison, got a bit heavy handed when it came to Quinn Hughes decision to travel and participate and be around the US team during the tournament. There was all that nonsense the day before the final where it looked like Hughes was going to play, then he wasn't cleared, then he was, then the US didn't have room to call him up etc. Someone suggested the Canucks were not at all happy about not being in the loop of that entire process.

 

[notbias]

Dubas was the outside the box thinker. Not a chance in hell I want to return to that shit.

He chased the obvious players just like Treliving, I think their philosophy on who an obvious player is, is just slightly different

What he did and what was said about him are completely different.

I don't think he was an outside the box thinker at all, he wasn't even really analytical despite everyone claiming he was.

What outside the box moves did he make?

 

[Kurtz]

I don't necessarily disagree with this - however, the calling card for this organization, from the start, has been to give and do whatever the stars want, all the time.

So even if Matthews had to have a hip replaced, or a leg amputated: if he said he's playing at Four Nations, they're carrying his bags onto the plane for him.

And maybe that's the right decision? I don't know - it seems like the Canucks, by comparison, got a bit heavy handed when it came to Quinn Hughes decision to travel and participate and be around the US team during the tournament. There was all that nonsense the day before the final where it looked like Hughes was going to play, then he wasn't cleared, then he was, then the US didn't have room to call him up etc. Someone suggested the Canucks were not at all happy about not being in the loop of that entire process.

I think in this day and age, you're forced to let the player make that call. Florida, for example, is the model franchise at this particular moment, and they let Tkachuk play injured.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I'd offer a PTO to J Toews similar to what they offered Patches. He could be a surprise walk on who could address an offensive need for minimum salary. He also brings legitimate winning pedigree.

 

[rumman]

I'd offer a PTO to J Toews similar to what they offered Patches. He could be a surprise walk on who could address an offensive need for minimum salary. He also brings legitimate winning pedigree.

I’d go one better and offer a league minimum laced with performance bonuses……

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't think Dubas thought outside the box at all. He did the obvious and told The Board exactly what they wanted to hear. "We're gonna get the highest skilled players in the league," That was true and The Board loved the core 4. Dubas did the obvious and he failed miserably, just like I predicted when he was hired.

Honestly, Dubas’s idea/plan is good but the players failed him.
If only he had McD instead of AM,
Drai instead of MM, Mack instead of JT and Kuch instead of Willie, Bennett instead of Kerfoot.
McAvoy instead of Lilly, Toews instead of Sandin, Makar instead of Reilly, Ekblad instead of TJ.
Bob instead of Freddie, Campbell and Sammy
Joe Q instead of Keefe.
Dubas team would had won the Cup by now, lol.

 

[killer1980]

Honestly, Dubas’s idea/plan is good but the players failed him.
If only he had McD instead of AM,
Drai instead of MM, Mack instead of JT and Kuch instead of Willie, Bennett instead of Kerfoot.
McAvoy instead of Lilly, Toews instead of Sandin, Makar instead of Reilly, Ekblad instead of TJ.
Bob instead of Freddie, Campbell and Sammy
Joe Q instead of Keefe.
Dubas team would had won the Cup by now, lol.

Yep you nailed it. Everything was great except it wasn't.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

24 hours later and I'm still not over it - imagine getting one question, with no follow-up, for the General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, and you waste it on the scouting staff.

That, I assume, is what the Leafs keep talking about when they mean there is so much pressure here. So many tough questions....what a joke this team is when it comes to dealing with anything that might upset them.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think in this day and age, you're forced to let the player make that call. Florida, for example, is the model franchise at this particular moment, and they let Tkachuk play injured.

Jarvis said he played through a shoulder injury the whole season, that includes the Four Nations as well.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I don't think Dubas thought outside the box at all. He did the obvious and told The Board exactly what they wanted to hear. "We're gonna get the highest skilled players in the league," That was true and The Board loved the core 4. Dubas did the obvious and he failed miserably, just like I predicted when he was hired.

Dubas simply couldn't get every single former Soo Greyhound to play for us...he tried his hardest but alas...they couldn't pull it off.

 

[joepeps]

You clearly haven't seen the posts here from Dubasites who are still defending him.




An irrelevant one.





Not when winning the Cup is the goal. Nobody gives a shit about President's Trophies, Corsi Cups, respect in the handshake line, etc.

Not even my issue with them... Your not going to win the cup all the time or even once. It's the effort they fought for their contracts with didn't match the effort they put out in games 5 6 7 when shit is on the line

 

[Ianturnedbull]

NMC 's all over the place. How is Treliving going to move Rielly?

 

[Confucius]

He chased the obvious players just like Treliving, I think their philosophy on who an obvious player is, is just slightly different

What he did and what was said about him are completely different.

I don't think he was an outside the box thinker at all, he wasn't even really analytical despite everyone claiming he was.

What outside the box moves did he make?

He came to Toronto, which increased Boston pizza business in the gta for the old man.

 

[Menzinger]

what firm decision were you looking for ? the team couldn't re-sign him before his nmc kicked in and Tre only had a handful of weeks after being hired to trade him

it's good to see that you raised the bar for our GM from below the ankle for Dubas to above your head for Tre !

Shanny has been here since 2014, who hired Tre and helped set his agenda - he had plenty of time to help set the plan for what happened that summer. As for Tre every other GMs also manages to make trades during the TDL, and draft in a matter of hours or days. Tre himself realizing his error also tried to pull together a last minute deal with the Rantanen for Marner offer, seems odd that he couldn't have done that in the past.when he had weeks not days to work things out.

And are you capable of having a single hockey opinion without referencing Dubas (or Tavares for that matter?) lol

 

[Stephen]

This is what I don’t get. Let’s say this past season, MM only got 55pts in the regular but is currently leading the Leafs to the Finals and putting up numbers like Bennett. Pretty sure everyone would think MM is worth his contract.

Now if Bennett puts up 50pts and end up leading the Leafs like he is now to the Cup Finals at 9mil/yr. Won’t that make it a better deal compare to the MM scenario that I just listed?

I think if you can re-sign Tavares for $4.5 million and sign Bennett for around $9 million you could talk yourself into an average AAV of $6.75 million for your 2C and 3C and just have a stronger spine down the middle, with better mix and match options. It also makes it harder to stack lines in the inefficient way we do it.

 

[Menzinger]

I think if you can re-sign Tavares for $4.5 million and sign Bennett for around $9 million you could talk yourself into an average AAV of $6.75 million for your 2C and 3C and just have a stronger spine down the middle, with better mix and match options. It also makes it harder to stack lines in the inefficient way we do it.

The problem of course is the team ends up paying Bennet for what he did as a younger guy on another team.

Hed be a no brainer to pay a 27 your old guy 5 mil rather than the 30+ version 9.

Tre needs to find the next Bennet like Florida did. But good luck to him

 

[killer1980]

Tre needs to find the next Bennet like Florida did.

And that my friends is the job of a general manager. Unfortunately, most make the deal too late, betting on the past, not the future.

 

[Menzinger]

And that my friends is the job of a general manager. Unfortunately, most make the deal too late, betting on the past, not the future.

The big problem with the team has been we've been chasing trends not setting them.

Has basically been the story since the 04 lockout.

 

[Stephen]

The problem of course is the team ends up paying Bennet for what he did as a younger guy on another team.

Hed be a no brainer to pay a 27 your old guy 5 mil rather than the 30+ version 9.

Tre needs to find the next Bennet like Florida did. But good luck to him

Yeah pro scouting has not really done the best job over the years, and it's a head scratcher seeing the guys they've missed out on over the years.

I remember around 2020-2022 during the pandemic years I'd watch a lot more out of town games. Bennett was great on Calgary and wasn't that important of a player. Corey Perry was doing some real damage for the Stars run of 2020. It was so easy to grab those people at the time, but nope.

 

[Stephen]

The big problem with the team has been we've been chasing trends not setting them.

Has basically been the story since the 04 lockout.

To be fair, the Shanaplan did try to re-define the game on a skilled possession concept - although that too was a riff on what the Pittsburgh Penguins and Chicago Blackhawks were doing in the 2010s, distilled to a more simplistic and ineffective level.