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GDT: Brad Treliving End of Season Presser Thursday @ 10am

Changing the DNA of a team is huge, and you don't make much change replacing someone like Jarnkrok, or Robertson.
Oh, boy, new DNA! Meaning we're going to shove more responsibility onto a C who is hurt but insists he isn't every year and one of the worst defensive wingers in the league!

Better go beg Boston to give us our first rounder back; good chance it'll be in the 10-15 range when we just miss the playoffs.
 
Kinda pumped to see what Brad is going to do this summer with changing the "DNA" bet Berube will be heavily involved to mold his roster to his liking
 
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I think Shanny is a very hands on President and obviously Dubas didnt like it and it sounds like he probably was doing the same this year with Tree, of course, in part desperately trying to save his job.

Tree even said something like Shanahan being let go was a curve ball.... and effected his process.

Sounds like maybe the shackles might of came off once Shanny was fired and Tree now can make decisions he sees fit instead of what Shanny wants.
Agreed. Since Tre has stated that he doesn't like trying to build at the deadline, I think Shanahan was the impetus for "make some deals and let's go for it" in a bid to save his job.
 
Hard not to see this team going straight into the toilet.

Subtraction of one of our most talented all time players because the team needs a DNA change.

Okay. In what way are we going to become better then? We have one trade chip worth anything at all. No picks or notable prospects to either bolster the roster or move for significant impact.

So we subtract a 100 point player who is also adept defensively.

Who are we going to add?

Dont point at this mediocre FA class. Nobody there is going to provide half the impact Marner does. If we sign anyone it will be an overpay.

All of this talk of change without recognizing that there isn’t much of an avenue. Grave had been dug a while ago. People express excitement for this off-season like we are going to be able to do anything big enough to signify we are contenders. Reality will be losing the best player in this FA class, and maybe another top 5 player, and plastering some bandaid additions into the lineup.

This will be the turning point for the era and we won’t be better from it.
We're not talking about losing "one of our most talented all time players".

We're talking about exorcizing the ghost of playoffs past.
 
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This is fun to pretend like it happened like this, but all of this is ruined by it being reported that the top priority of Tre was to re-sign Marner...

People can pretend this wasn't reported, but it was.
Top priority stated in 2023 - sign Matthews and Nylander. Matthews and Nylander signed.

Top priority (apparently) stated in 2024 - sign Marner. Marner not signed.

People can pretend there is no difference between 'done' and 'reported said', but there is.
 
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How do all the other 31 teams even compete without Marner on their team.. damn

I'm looking forward to how well the cap space gets utilized/squandered. Either way, we need more lunch pail types. Still have one of the best top lines in the league with Knies/Matthews/Nylander.. Still have elite goalie tandem.. still have a strong defense locked up.. now go build a hard working playoff style 2nd and 3rd line.
 
Is there a relationship between paying lots of money and winning playoff games? Here are the top 10 money earners this year. Only McDavid is still playing and realistically he is the only one that can carry a team, a city, a country on his back. I believe an intelligent and even distribution of funds among 20 players will serve you much better. And, the Leafs have 3 in the top 10 with very little to show for it. How do you think the best way is to manage the cap space?

  • Maple Leafs C Auston Matthews: $13.25 million
  • Avalanche C Nathan MacKinnon: $12.6 million
  • Oilers C Connor McDavid $12.5 million
  • Rangers LW Artemi Panarin: $11.64 million
  • Canucks C Elias Pettersson: $11.6 million
  • Penguins D Erik Karlsson: $11.5 million
  • Maple Leafs C/RW William Nylander: $11.5 million
  • Bruins RW David Pastrnak: $11.25 million
  • Kings D Drew Doughty: $11 million
  • Maple Leafs C John Tavares: $11 million
Next year JT won't be in there, nor #11 Marner (maybe, but likely on another team), and Draisaitl will join McDavid.

So 2 Leafs and 2 Oilers - let's hope they meet in the finals.
 
Kyper

LOL

When MLSE boss Keith Pelley made it clear he will not be bringing in a new president of hockey operations to replace Brendan Shanahan, it revealed a simple new philosophy within the Maple Leafs organization: Less is more.
The Leafs have had one of the largest hockey operations departments in the NHL over the last 10 years and it’s not hard to figure out how it got so bloated. Decades of frustration led to the appointment of Shanahan as president, and he was tasked with trying to find outside-the-box solutions. So, in 2014, a young and idealistic CHL executive named Kyle Dubas came along.
Shanahan’s interest in hiring Dubas was based on his willingness to be bold and challenge traditional hockey norms with new ideas. Dubas instantly pushed his new boss to build a team with innovative methods.

When you are one of the most financially successful sports franchises on the planet, you look for any competitive edge you can get. And if you can’t spend your unlimited funds on players because of a salary cap, you simply spend it on resources around them. Shanahan and Dubas built a massive — and very expensive — support team around the Leafs.



Dubas spent on staff as if it were Monopoly money. Entire research and development teams were created behind his vision of moving away from traditional hockey men and instead enlisting chemical engineers and mathematicians to shape the future of the franchise.
He was fascinated by sophisticated cameras for tracking data with unprecedented video angles. He hired the organization’s first director of sports science and performance in 2017, a department that convinced management they could use data to predict injuries before they actually happened. Nutrition, rehab, strength and conditioning, team psychologists, chefs and sleep hygiene experts became the engine intended to drive player performance.

While it seems great in theory, it appeared to weaken the instinctual element that is imperative for a winning team. There were just too many opinions the players had to manage and it took away from the raw instincts of what is truly needed for a hockey club to come together.
The Core Four is a perfect example of how the team created a group of elite individual hockey players that just were not great together. All the science in the world couldn’t help them find the right chemistry to get past the Florida Panthers, who might have half the opinions that the Leafs have on staff.
All the forward thinking was the Leafs’ attempt at looking, sounding and feeling different than any other NHL team in history. No stone was left unturned in their quest to buy a Stanley Cup championship with performance enhancement.
 
He waives or Leafs waive. These NMCs are a blight on the league. There should be a minimum of 10 team list.

Waive him and if he isn't picked up you send him to the minors, save some cap space and find a replacement. That's how I would deal with these circumstances. I've seen decades of the clubhouse and I don't care how they describe how much they want to win, if you are losing that many Game Sevens, clearly they don't want to win enough.

I'm a pretty nice guy but there is a point where a player has to say to himself "I'm not getting it done here". He is within his rights to say No to a trade. Leafs are within their rights to waive him.

These players owe their bloated salaries to the Leafs. Notice how much cheaper the players the trade for are compared to when Leafs negotiate contracts? The average player gets paid less outside of Toronto in general. Man up and accept some responsibility and find a new team that can use you.
You can't waive him, his NMC prevents that.

You can't send him to the minors, his NMC prevents that.

Reilly has all the power....unless they choose to just scratch him.
 
Top priority stated in 2023 - sign Matthews and Nylander. Matthews and Nylander signed.

Top priority (apparently) stated in 2024 - sign Marner. Marner not signed.

People can pretend there is no difference between 'done' and 'reported said', but there is.

Shockingly, this may surprise you, but it sounds like Marner doesn't want to sign... that is what is being reported, not that Treliving didn't try.
 
Next year JT won't be in there, nor #11 Marner (maybe, but likely on another team), and Draisaitl will join McDavid.
So 2 Leafs and 2 Oilers - let's hope they meet in the finals.
I'm actually hoping that Oilers will win it this year and McDavid, looking for another challenge, will return to his home town to bring us our first cup in 59 years. For that to happen, though, Matthews would probably have to be gone.
 
Considering Keith Pelley knows nothing about hockey, who else is going to be in charge?

Not what I meant. I always figured Brad was a guy brought here to close off the competitive cycle and maybe bring new elements to the team. Now that we’re talking full scale franchise altering moves, I’d have imagined an external GM would be getting the next rebuild.
 
Not what I meant. I always figured Brad was a guy brought here to close off the competitive cycle and maybe bring new elements to the team. Now that we’re talking full scale franchise altering moves, I’d have imagined an external GM would be getting the next rebuild.

I see what you mean.

I think he's the guy.

And I think Berube is also the guy as far as coaching goes and maybe providing input to Brad.

But overall, Brad is definitely the guy, otherwise he would have been let go along with Shanny, IMO.
 
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lol. There is no chance. McDavid loves his teammates and his Edmonton fan base. More importantly the owner will shell out the $$ to keep him happy.
The real answer is that his agent is the CEO of Hockey Ops for EDM. It pretty much cements him there.

This whole Drai is his best friend narrative is overused. Recently myself and my colleague/best friend both left our other colleague/ best friend to go in 3 different directions. We were a 3 man department making our own schedule, making great money with the best boss imaginable. We hung out outside of work despite us living in Ajax, London and Guelph respectively. Two of us were in the 3rd guy's wedding party last weekend. We travel for work and all cycle, scuba dive, ski and hike big mountains on the road.
The two of us saw opportunities which were good for our careers and bit the bullet. He's not a 16 year old girl being asked to switch high schools.
 
Considering Keith Pelley knows nothing about hockey, who else is going to be in charge?
I believe Pelley started his career at TSN, maybe even packaging hockey highlights. There is no doubt in my mind that Pelley knows a lot about hockey and particularly the Maple Leafs. It's his ability as an executive that I question. But, he was president of the Argos when they won a Grey Cup, whatever that could possibly mean.
 
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I believe Pelley started his career at TSN, maybe even packaging hockey highlights. There is no doubt in my mind that Pelley knows a lot about hockey and particularly the Maple Leafs. It's his ability as an executive that I question. But, he was president of the Argos when they won a Grey Cup, whatever that could possibly mean.

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean, too.

Based on his background he seems to know a lot about all kinds of sports, Football, Golf, Hockey, etc.

But as you said, he was a TV Producer, first with TSN, then Fox, and then TSN brought him back into Senior Management which catapulted his career.

It feels like his career was build by a stroke of sheer luck and right place right time type of thing.

What you're questioning, and rightly so, are his capabilities in regards to being a hockey executive with an actual vision for the team.
 
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean, too .

Based on his background he seems to know a lot about all kinds of sports, Football, Golf, Hockey, etc.

But as you said, he was a TV Producer, first with TSN, then Fox, and then TSN brought him back into Senior Management which catapulted his career.

It feels like his career was build by a stroke of sheer luck and right place right time type of thing.

What you're questioning, and rightly so, are his capabilities in regards to being a hockey executive with an actual vision for the team.
My feeling is that his career has been built on his ability to say all the right things that rich, old and probably stupid old farts want to hear. My work experience, such as it was, told me that if you challenge those in charge you are gambling with your career. Tell the old guys exactly what they want to hear and you'll roar up the corporate ladder. Clearly the core 4 wasn't the magic bullet for Leaf success. Matthews, Nylander, and maybe Marner will never take this team to the promised land. Most of us here know that. Clearly, The Board loves those guys. The question is will Pelley and then Treliving have the guts to accept that fact and make the necessary moves? My feeling is that both would rather take the safe route and kiss The Board's rear end.
 
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