Brad Treliving- 1st year complete.

[egd27]

Leads the Leafs in playoffs points. Finalist for the best defensive forward. Voted as a first and second team all star. Gets 90 to 100 points a year. Kills penalties and plays on the power play. No other team would trade a player like him...none.

No other team has four $11m forwards…..none

 

[Dekes For Days]

Holl was a litmus test for who actually knew what a good D-man looks like. Lots failed that one around here.

You're correct about that, but not in the way you think.

 

[IPS]

You're correct, but not in the way you think.

How many healthy scratches playing for Detroit?

You took a massive L with how much you pumped up Holl. God were you ever wrong on that one.

 

[diceman934]

Holl is not good, but he was at the time. You should look into the concept of time.

Holl was never good...bad feet..he struggled to pivot to his left. He was not an NHL d man.

 

[diceman934]

Atleast we're a little more reasonable from "120 points and winning the Art Ross"


Holl was a litmus test for who actually knew what a good D-man looks like.

Lots failed that one around here.

He can get 120 points. He has of yet had his career year.

Holl was a AHL D man who played like it all the time. Bad feet and he could not pivot to his left at even an AHL level.

 

[Dekes For Days]

How many healthy scratches playing for Detroit?

Don't know and don't care, as it's irrelevant to how he performed during that period of time in Toronto and the defensive results we got. Holl certainly exposed those who refused to consider more than one defensive attribute. You were wrong about him, he earned himself a nice raise, and our PK especially missed him last year.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Leads the Leafs in playoffs points. Finalist for the best defensive forward. Voted as a first and second team all star. Gets 90 to 100 points a year. Kills penalties and plays on the power play. No other team would trade a player like him...none.

If no other team would trade him away, then there are 31 teams fighting to trade us for him, right.

I expect a huge return within days.

 

[diceman934]

No other team has four $11m forwards…..none

So why trade Marner. Jt is gone after this year. Nylander should have been traded last year at the height of his value.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Leads the Leafs in playoffs points. Finalist for the best defensive forward. Voted as a first and second team all star. Gets 90 to 100 points a year. Kills penalties and plays on the power play. No other team would trade a player like him...none.

then going by your logic. there should be a line up for him. yet there is not.

Nylander should have been traded last year at the height of his value.

and you could argue the same about marner.

i will be frank i don't care either way. but they both have their issues

 

[IPS]

Don't know and don't care, as it's irrelevant to how he performed during that period of time in Toronto and the defensive results we got. Holl certainly exposed those who refused to consider more than one defensive attribute. You were wrong about him, he earned himself a nice raise, and our PK especially missed him last year.

He literally got scratched in the playoffs in favor of Lyubushkin. Clearly management/coaching was not aligned with your opinion of his "defensive stats".

You gotta stop, you just keep proving you know absolutely jack shit about defensemen. Save yourself the embarrassment already.

 

[Jozay]

He’s messing around the edges when the team has needed a major shakeup since they choked to montreal

Team looks mediocre at best

 

[IPS]

Holl was a AHL D man who played like it all the time. Bad feet and he could not pivot to his left at even an AHL level

Maybe you can convince Dekes that a healthy scratch defensemen in the playoffs was clearly not some important defensive stud.

 

[diceman934]

then going by your logic. there should be a line up for him. yet there is not.



and you could argue the same about marner.

i will be frank i don't care either way. but they both have their issues

There are many teams that would love to Trade for Marner. You simple do not trade a player with Marners skill set.

 

[Michoulicious]

Ekman-Larsson, Domi, Tanev.

Meh.

Murray, Stolarz.

Wtf.

 

[notDatsyuk]

So why trade Marner. Jt is gone after this year. Nylander should have been traded last year at the height of his value.

Four $11M forwards is two too many, especially when one in particular is weak in the playoffs.

Yes, JT will either be leaving or on a much smaller contract after next year. Nylander is the better player and has been improving each year, at least in Tre's opinion, which is why he's now an $11M forward.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He literally got scratched in the playoffs in favor of Lyubushkin.

He was competing with Liljegren that playoffs, and Holl won out.

 

[Gabriel426]

There are many teams that would love to Trade for Marner. You simple do not trade a player with Marners skill set.

Not just MM, but any other players, it should depends on the package.

Like if Columbus send Fantilli, Jenner, 1st and 2nd for MM, that’s something to think about.
Or
Hawks send Bedard for AM, that’s something to think about.

 

[Daisy Jane]

There are many teams that would love to Trade for Marner. You simple do not trade a player with Marners skill set.

yes. as you keep saying. and again. if this were the case we would be at least hearing some rumours that teams are making serious inquiries on what it would take. but we've heard nothing. and Treliving has said he's not commenting either way.



and i'm sorry, you can trade players with Marner's skill set. No one is untouchable.

 

[IPS]

He was competing with Liljegren that playoffs, and Holl won out.

SO what about Lyubushkin then? Clearly the worst D on the team in your opinion (both that year AND this year) yet he's somehow beating out "superior" D for a permanent spot on the team?

You can desperately spin it whatever way you want, you're wrong no matter what. Take your L and move on.

 

[1specter]

Stolarz and Hakanpaa seem like great cheap options with room for even more upside.

Tanev and Ekman-Larsson have some worrisome term for 33 and 34 year Olds but I don't think management is concerned about 3+ years from now. Tanev especially is an amazing add. I just wonder if we should've kept Lyubushkin instead of Ekman-Larsson, younger and a little cheaper and RD.

Would've liked to see a depth player sold for picks but there's still time

Boosh does nothing with the puck whereas OEL would lead our blue line in goals most seasons and his 32 pts this year would only put him behind Rielly. He also cost only 300-400K more despite being much better with the puck and overall a reliable dman who was part of a Cup winning group. Given what Boosh, Brodie, Edmundson got the OEL deal is actually quite solid.

 

[Dreakmur]

Maybe you can convince Dekes that a healthy scratch defensemen in the playoffs was clearly not some important defensive stud.

If Dubas came out tomorrow and said Justin Holl sucks, that would be Dekes' new opinion.... always had been....

 

[Dekes For Days]

SO what about Lyubushkin then?

What about him? He was acquired for a different role, and also did worse.

Clearly the worst D on the team in your opinion (both that year AND this year)

Lyubushkin wasn't the worst D on our team this year. Not sure where you got that from.

 

[IPS]

What about him? He was acquired for a different role, and also did worse.

what role? the role beside Rielly? How come Holl or Lilly couldn't take on that role despite being drastically superior D according to you? Did worse relative to who?

You're just gonna have to man up and admit that none of your bullshit adds up.

 

[diceman934]

yes. as you keep saying. and again. if this were the case we would be at least hearing some rumours that teams are making serious inquiries on what it would take. but we've heard nothing. and Treliving has said he's not commenting either way.



and i'm sorry, you can trade players with Marner's skill set. No one is untouchable.

There has been many rumors of trade possibilities....trading a player like him you never get value back. The Leafs would not be looking for draft picks in a trade. They would want players back. As well as reducing cap hit.

 

[Burnie97]

Boosh does nothing with the puck whereas OEL would lead our blue line in goals most seasons and his 32 pts this year would only put him behind Rielly. He also cost only 300-400K more despite being much better with the puck and overall a reliable damn who was part of a Cup winning group. Given what Boosh, Brodie, Edmundson got the OEL deal is actually quite solid.

I'm okay with it.

On this team I think the way they'll use him on the powerplay... he'll get 30 points for fun. I'll eat crow later.

He's mobile and he can move the puck. He should be on the 1st powerplay to be honest.

I wouldn't mind a more traditional 2 d on the first unit or if not the second unit with Lilly (if he stays)

I think he just gives us more options.