OT: Boxing/MMA Discussion

[LSCII]

Exactly. While a tko is a technical knock out and counts for the stats. No one talks about that when they say someone got knocked out.

Exactly. But hey, whatever helps Seidenbergy sleep at night...

 

[Over the volcano]

Exactly. While a tko is a technical knock out and counts for the stats. No one talks about that when they say someone got knocked out.

Unless they're talking about boxing.

 

[Seidenbergy]

So McGregor was flat on his back at fights end? You want to argue semantics, while everyone knows a stoppage is not actually a knock out, regardless of what they call it.

Those arguing a technical KNOCK OUT is not a KNOCK OUT are arguing semantics. I'm arguing facts.

Exactly. While a tko is a technical knock out and counts for the stats. No one talks about that when they say someone got knocked out.

I....and as volcano correctly pointed out....boxing itself, disagree.

Not debatable.

 

[LSCII]

Unless they're talking about boxing.

So when they talk about knock outs and all the great fights that ended that way, they bring up TKOs? For example, when ESPN is doing a boxing greatest KO show, do they show all the great TKOs, or the guys getting actually knocked out? It's really that simple.

Also, you have it backwards. In MMA, a TKO is far more realistic to call an actual knock out, as most of the time, whe the ref steps in, it's because one guy is out flat on his back and the other guy is on top throwing hammer fists into his face. In boxing, it's just a stoppage because the ref doesn't want the other guy to take repeated damage, but the guy is still standing.

 

[Seidenbergy]

So when they talk about knock outs and all the great fights that ended that way, they bring up TKOs? For example, when ESPN is doing a boxing greatest KO show, do they show all the great TKOs, or the guys getting actually knocked out? It's really that simple.

Holy arbitrary criteria batman.

 

[LSCII]

Holy arbitrary criteria batman.

No, truth. One is an actual knock out that everyone universally accepts as being a KO, and the other is not really a knock out that is even called a "technical" one. Meaning the guy didn't get KO'd, but the fight was stopped. If you can't see the difference between a guy actually getting KO'd versus a ref stoppage, well, I can't help you with that.

 

[Over the volcano]

So when they talk about knock outs and all the great fights that ended that way, they bring up TKOs? For example, when ESPN is doing a boxing greatest KO show, do they show all the great TKOs, or the guys getting actually knocked out? It's really that simple.

Also, you have it backwards. In MMA, a TKO is far more realistic to call an actual knock out, as most of the time, whe the ref steps in, it's because one guy is out flat on his back and the other guy is on top throwing hammer fists into his face. In boxing, it's just a stoppage because the ref doesn't want the other guy to take repeated damage, but the guy is still standing.

A lot of the great fights end by TKO.

But we all get it - you're a McGreggor fan who wants some kind of moral victory because he was never on his back in this one. That's fine.

 

[LSCII]

A lot of the great fights end by TKO.

But we all get it - you're a McGreggor fan who wants some kind of moral victory because he was never on his back in this one. That's fine.

No, I'm an MMA and boxing fan that thought this entire match up was a farce from the start. I thought this was such a blatant cash grab that it was insulting to even try to portray this as a legitimate boxing match.

You ever see the movie Raging Bull? If so, do you recall the line that LaMotta said to Sugar Ray Robinson? You never knocked me down, Ray. You never knocked me down...

 

[Seidenbergy]

No, truth. One is an actual knock out that everyone universally accepts as being a KO

Yup, which TKOs are. If they weren't, they'd call them T "insert any other letters here".

Does ANYONE today have Mayweather's official record as anything other than 50-0 with 27 knock outs? Anyone official at all? No? Then it is by definition universally accepted as being a KO.

If you can't see the difference between a guy actually getting KO'd versus a ref stoppage, well, I can't help you with that.

LOL. I went out of my way to point out that they were different (2 different TYPES of KOs), so I'm not sure why you keep claiming the opposite.

 

[Over the volcano]

No, I'm an MMA and boxing fan that thought this entire match up was a farce from the start. I thought this was such a blatant cash grab that it was insulting to even try to portray this as a legitimate boxing match.

You ever see the movie Raging Bull? If so, do you recall the line that LaMotta said to Sugar Ray Robinson? You never knocked me down, Ray. You never knocked me down...

My apologies for the last line - came off as side.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Was it just me that only tuned in hopping CM would do something stupid like go MMA on him? Other than that he had zero chance in winning.

Although that was a better fight than most, boxing is dead and has been for a long time.

 

[Pia8988]

Was it just me that only tuned in hopping CM would do something stupid like go MMA on him? Other than that he had zero chance in winning.

Although that was a better fight than most, boxing is dead and has been for a long time.

McGregor will end up with more from his one fight in a dead sport then his entire MMA career will net him most likely though.

 

[Over the volcano]

McGregor will end up with more from his one fight in a dead sport then his entire MMA career will net him most likely though.

That kind of sentence might make you reconsider how "dead" boxing is. . .

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

McGregor will end up with more from his one fight in a dead sport then his entire MMA career will net him most likely though.

They will never get a purse like that again unless is Trump vs HC. Pay per view set records for that gong show. It was nothing more than an entertainment gimmick.

It work, I paid to see it

 

[Pia8988]

They will never get a purse like that again unless is Trump vs HC. Pay per view set records for that gong show. It was nothing more than an entertainment gimmick.

It work, I paid to see it

Canelo and GGG will both clear more than McGregor makes in his UFC fights easily

 

[Boston Bruno]

Canelo and GGG will both clear McGregors career UFC earnings in their upcoming fight

And it should be a dandy

Golovkin looks so average, but my word he has hands of dynamite

 

[N o o d l e s]

And it should be a dandy

Golovkin looks so average, but my word he has hands of dynamite

He sure does. Knocks people out with body shots. That is crazy

 

[smithformeragent]

No, I'm an MMA and boxing fan that thought this entire match up was a farce from the start. I thought this was such a blatant cash grab that it was insulting to even try to portray this as a legitimate boxing match.

You ever see the movie Raging Bull? If so, do you recall the line that LaMotta said to Sugar Ray Robinson? You never knocked me down, Ray. You never knocked me down...

Great quote from an amazing film.

I remember watching it for the first time in a high school sports writing class.

 

[LSCII]

Great quote from an amazing film.

I remember watching it for the first time in a high school sports writing class.

It's an all time classic and one of my favorites. My dad was a huge boxing fan, so I've seen all the real fights that the movie was based off of.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Canelo and GGG will both clear more than McGregor makes in his UFC fights easily

And should get more money because they deserve it. Boxing is not dead.

 

[SpeedyLazaro]

The Bob Arum's and Don King's destroyed boxing yet the interest of last night shows there is still a primal fascination with the sport.

As late as the 1990's everybody knew who the heavyweight and middleweight champions were. Today ask 100 people who the heavyweight champion is and maybe 5% will know and I have to admit I don't know.

The decline of boxing in the Olympics is part of the problem as people were disgusted by how fights were judged and last year in Rio NBC gave scant attention to boxing - but go back 50 years and it was the Olympics that made George Forman a fan favorite.

When I was young I watched along with my parents as a boxer was killed live on network TV and the amazing thing is the sport shrugged it off and it remained popular.



The sport we love the most was spawned because arena owners needed to fill dates between boxing matches. The old Boston Garden had awful obstructed views for hockey but not for boxing as that is the sport that built it. The same is true for the other O6 franchises. Boxing today is irrelevant, I can't even think of the last time there was a pure boxing card at TD Garden. The only city I can think of that has a boxing culture today is Montreal. Even New York City seldom hosts a fight card anymore. Las Vegas gets all the $$$$$$ fights because of the casinos.

But last night also reinforced one of the ugliest parts of boxing history. Conor McGregor was seen as another in a long line of 'great white hopes' which dates back to when Jack Johnson was champion over 100 years ago. Those of us who are older can remember the McNeeley family where both Tom and his son Peter played the foil.

It is a paradox that I can't answer.

Outstanding post. I trained for years in and around Lowell and appreciate the historical pageantry of boxing. It's truly a shame what the sweet science has become

 

[SpeedyLazaro]

So McGregor was flat on his back at fights end? You want to argue semantics, while everyone knows a stoppage is not actually a knock out, regardless of what they call it.

Are you kidding? Do you watch boxing?

What about the gray area where a boxer is knocked down and gets up during the count, but can't continue?

Literally no one thinks a KO is the result of an unconscious corpse lying in the ring.

 

[BruinDust]

]The Bob Arum's and Don King's destroyed boxing yet the interest of last night shows there is still a primal fascination with the sport. [/B]

As late as the 1990's everybody knew who the heavyweight and middleweight champions were. Today ask 100 people who the heavyweight champion is and maybe 5% will know and I have to admit I don't know.

The decline of boxing in the Olympics is part of the problem as people were disgusted by how fights were judged and last year in Rio NBC gave scant attention to boxing - but go back 50 years and it was the Olympics that made George Forman a fan favorite.

When I was young I watched along with my parents as a boxer was killed live on network TV and the amazing thing is the sport shrugged it off and it remained popular.



The sport we love the most was spawned because arena owners needed to fill dates between boxing matches. The old Boston Garden had awful obstructed views for hockey but not for boxing as that is the sport that built it. The same is true for the other O6 franchises. Boxing today is irrelevant, I can't even think of the last time there was a pure boxing card at TD Garden. The only city I can think of that has a boxing culture today is Montreal. Even New York City seldom hosts a fight card anymore. Las Vegas gets all the $$$$$$ fights because of the casinos.

But last night also reinforced one of the ugliest parts of boxing history. Conor McGregor was seen as another in a long line of 'great white hopes' which dates back to when Jack Johnson was champion over 100 years ago. Those of us who are older can remember the McNeeley family where both Tom and his son Peter played the foil.

It is a paradox that I can't answer.

They definitely didn't help, but it's been a perfect storm of circumstances that have helped kill interest in the sport.

1) Promoters like King and Arum

2) Too many weight classes (it's hurt UFC as well IMO)

3) Too many governing bodies and too many "World" champions

4) Lack of faith among the public in judging and the credibility of judges

5) The rise of UFC as a viable alternative

6) Lack of exciting, captivating personalitities, in particular at the heavyweight division

7) Lack of a truly dominate and marketable heavyweight world champion.

Sadly I don't see many of these problems being corrected any time soon.

That being said, I enjoyed last nights event. Hats off to both guys.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I'm not a ufc or boxing guy. That being said i did enjoy seeing the so called boxing experts telling me this fight would be over in 5 rounds etc

 

[SpeedyLazaro]

I'm not a ufc or boxing guy. That being said i did enjoy seeing the so called boxing experts telling me this fight would be over in 5 rounds etc

It kinda was... anyone who knows anything about boxing knew it was going to have Floyd waiting him out. How long it was going to take was always unknown

Also, Floyd is 40 years old. Come on