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Vlad The Impaler said:I'm not worried at all by the stats, except I was hoping maybe someone would light a fire under his ass.
12/9 Rampage vs. Grizzlies: Bouwmeester healthy-scratched by Ludzik.
Vlad The Impaler said:I'm not worried at all by the stats, except I was hoping maybe someone would light a fire under his ass.
Jacobv2 said:If they're a bad offensive team I think that speaks volumes about Weiss, Horton, and Bouwmeester, does it not?
Weiss is never over hyped. Globke is an unknown quantity and isn't hyped at all. Stewart stock has skyrocketed with good reason and Horton is a beast. How do people say florida fowards are overhyped. Olesz is underated and i think he will suprise many people but i don't see him as our best pick in franchise history. Roussin is a boom or bust. He could be great for us as we need goal scoring or he could not make it. Personally i'd rather have Meyer over Kreps.silver_made said:You're right.
When it comes to offensive production, most of florida's forward prospects are simply overhyped. The funny thing is that the overlooked guys will be the most productive in the end. Ignore the gushing over horton, weiss, stewart, globke, etc.; pay attention to olesz (still getting **** over the phaneuf hit), roussin (supposedly riding crosby's coattails), and meyer (supposedly a poor-skater who won't make it). if anything, fans should be inquiring about kolnik's lack of production. probably florida's best offensive producer in '03-'04 (considering # of games played), juraj is more bored with the AHL right now than any player, considering the dues he has put in in order to get to the show. kolnik's poor play does not surprise me at all. he is playing with san antonio out of respect for the opportunity management has given him, even though he would be much more energized to be playing in a european elite league.
so you are in fact right; san antonio's poor offensive play does lay squarely on the limited offensive potential in guys like taticek, horton, and weiss. in the future, though, other teams will have to worry about roussin, meyer, kolnik, and olesz. Florida's defense, young or not, has received more criticism over the years than it deserves. it is florida's rather pathetic ensemble of forwards who can't carry the puck out of their own zone, resulting in the barage of shots.
olesz: florida's best forward 1st rd. pick in franchise history
PanthersRule said:Bouwmeester doesn't care in San Antonio. End of story! He tried for a 3 game stretch, picked up 5 points in 2 games with a shorthanded goal too, just to show that he's way better than anyone there, and now he stopped trying again.
I dunno, but I dont recall Mario or Wayne playing in the minors.dancingtree said:This may answer the production question, but it brings up another question about his character. Guys like Gretzky and Mario seemed to care everytime they played hockey no matter where they were playing.
J17ster said:Weiss is never over hyped. Globke is an unknown quantity and isn't hyped at all. Stewart stock has skyrocketed with good reason and Horton is a beast. How do people say florida fowards are overhyped. Olesz is underated and i think he will suprise many people but i don't see him as our best pick in franchise history. Roussin is a boom or bust. He could be great for us as we need goal scoring or he could not make it. Personally i'd rather have Meyer over Kreps.
The comment saying florida's defens edeserves less critism is partialy correct. Some of our defense has sucked while guys like Mezie and Bouwmeester have been solid. The foward situation is going to improve pretty quiclky. The big things we are missing is a good goalie prospect and a big physical defensive prospect.
Other than we have some great prospects.
silver_made said:panther prospects, as a whole, are IMO opinion overhyped by not only panthers fans but all hockey fans. note that i call olesz florida's best forward 1st rd. selection; you honestly disagree w/ me? you prefer stone-hands dvorak?
Yes they are. I've seen Panthers fans say that Weiss is better than Lecavalier. In this very thread someone guarantees that Bouwmeester will win a Norris as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. That's not overhyping?J17ster said:Florida prospects are not hyped as much as your saying
Sotnos said:Yes they are. I've seen Panthers fans say that Weiss is better than Lecavalier. In this very thread someone guarantees that Bouwmeester will win a Norris as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. That's not overhyping?
Sotnos said:Yes they are. I've seen Panthers fans say that Weiss is better than Lecavalier. In this very thread someone guarantees that Bouwmeester will win a Norris as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. That's not overhyping?
They were ranked 19th in the NHL on HF, including Horton. That certainly doesn't seem like overhyping. As for Bouwmeester, Kolnik, etc., I can't imagine a worse excuse for a lack of production that that they are bored. If anything, I would accuse JBO of playing to the level of his competition, whether it be World Cup caliber or AHL caliber. That speaks to a lack of confidence.silver_made said:panther prospects, as a whole, are IMO opinion overhyped by not only panthers fans but all hockey fans.
wint said:If anything, I would accuse JBO of playing to the level of his competition, whether it be World Cup caliber or AHL caliber. That speaks to a lack of confidence.
Sotnos said:Yes they are. I've seen Panthers fans say that Weiss is better than Lecavalier. In this very thread someone guarantees that Bouwmeester will win a Norris as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. That's not overhyping?
I think he could be, and I am so so so so glad, you don't even know, that we got him. Horton, Weiss, and Stewart are no slouches though so he'll have still competition for that spot. I don't care if he is or not, as long as Horton and he and Weiss and Stewart all become stars or great players like they could be.silver_made said:olesz: florida's best forward 1st rd. pick in franchise history
No, but Krajicek, Weiss, Novak, VanRyn, and Kreps all can run the PP.DuklaNation said:Lets face it. JBo is just a better version of Bret Hedican offensively. He doesn't run the PP very well. I don't see him ever getting more than 40 pts.
PanthersRule said:Bouwmeester doesn't care in San Antonio. End of story! He tried for a 3 game stretch, picked up 5 points in 2 games with a shorthanded goal too, just to show that he's way better than anyone there, and now he stopped trying again.
Well said Vlad, but if iron Mike as GM and previously as head coach didn't get the fire lit, something else is up. I think he is just taking it all in stride, and will be that dominant D-man soon enough. As you said, he is not out of place at all when playing with the best, so I feel as the team gets better, he will SHINE! Lest we forget he is only 21 with 2 NHL seasons under his belt, and 2 maybe 3 quality players on the Panthers roster in the way of help so far. Not to worry, I am pleased with what he has shown thus far, and Florida is poised to make some moves up in the standings if we can ever get back to playing the game.Vlad The Impaler said:Jay Bouwmeester is an awesome defenseman, no doubt about it. But his flaw is he doesn't take charge nearly often enough. You could put back this guy on a junior team right now and I'm not sure he would look dominant.
The flip side to this is, he is so talented you can put him on an elite squad (like a team Canada) and he isn't out of place at all. He can play with and against the very best.
All this to say, those stats in the AHL just reflect the fact he doesn't dominate and take charge. You could throw him in a world class tournament tomorrow and he'd be talented enough to play well.
I'm not worried at all by the stats, except I was hoping maybe someone would light a fire under his ass. If this guy could take charge... sky is the limit. Even if he remains as he is, he is still one of the safest youngster as far as developing into a star player at the highest level.
dancingtree said:Jay-Bo: 3 goals, 6 assists - 29 games played.
I don't care if he is "bored", focusing on defense, or whatever. Those numbers are pathetic for someone of his talent level.
J17ster said:Dude check out the rest of SA stats. Yeah it looks mighty impressive doesn't it. J-bo hasn't played well but give the kid a break. He played at the WC and played well.