Proposal: Boston and Vancouver

In the same sense, I can’t imagine a team giving up nearly that amount for a highly paid 45pt player.

Vancouvers best bet is player another season with him and re-evaluate keeping/tendering offers
Is it though if doing that gives Pettersson complete control of where he goes (like Miller did) by his NTC kicking in?

It's such a risk after July 1st for him to say, 'I'm staying here or going to Vegas. You can only trade me there.' They just had Miller do that with New York.
 
The NTC really puts pressure to make the decision now or never. They were hoping this year would be the improvement over last season. Then it was after Miller left. Then it was after the trade deadline.

This seems to be purely a player not wanting to be here. I see value as a Bruins fan who knows this looks like a player who just needs a change of scenery. Many Canucks fans see that as well so they hold him at a higher value (hence my offer) but there is a likely scenario where this next year is the same effort in Vancouver and now they can't give him away, and if they did, he chooses to where exactly.

Honestly, the best move is an up-front, honest, 1 on 1 with Pettersson and upper management to confirm 100% that he is going to train in the off-season and is 100% into being a Vancouver Canuck and wants to be here. Anything less than him convincing them of this should result in a trade before July 1st.
 
Is it though if doing that gives Pettersson complete control of where he goes (like Miller did) by his NTC kicking in?

It's such a risk after July 1st for him to say, 'I'm staying here or going to Vegas. You can only trade me there.' They just had Miller do that with New York.
It’s a tough position for sure. I just can’t see any teams giving any real value worth making the trade after the season he just had right after a horrible postseason
 
Not bad value. Unfortunately the Canucks basically need Pettersson to recover so we’ll most likely wait and hope for that.
Kinda where Boston sits with Elias Lindholm. The contract and production make it difficult because you want equal value based on what the team paid the guy, but it just won’t happen. Best we can hope for is that they kinda sorta return to form
 
It’s a tough position for sure. I just can’t see any teams giving any real value worth making the trade after the season he just had right after a horrible postseason
Hence the dilemma. It really is a tight spot to be in given what they ended up for Miller.

I personally believe he will never return to form in Vancouver and that the relationship with the management and the fanbase is beyond repair.

BUT

I also believe that a change of scenery is what he really needs and that is simply something that Vancouver cannot offer. They should recognize this and also know he will return to form and hold out for the best offer before July 1st. I thought the Bruins one was overvaluing him since the last 18 months of play but would gamble on giving him a return to his play a couple years ago and should pay for that value.

Not what Carolina was going to give (when he was 100+ point player) but also not what he is worth now (negative value).
 
The one prior to him signing the extension.


Second post. This was leaked around this weekend after Tocchett decided to leave the team. Figured it had it's own thread.

I was getting it and other versions of it from STH's that had it circulating around their social groups.
That instagram page is considered a legit source? Lol.
 
Kinda where Boston sits with Elias Lindholm. The contract and production make it difficult because you want equal value based on what the team paid the guy, but it just won’t happen. Best we can hope for is that they kinda sorta return to form
Good point. Difference is that Pettersson is taking up 11.6 and his NTC kicks-in in 53 days. They still have time to move on from this contract where the Bruins are going to hope that Lindholm adds 20 points to his game next year.
 
That instagram page is considered a legit source? Lol.
Never once said it was a legit source but everything about this team this year and last has been chaos and this certainly fills that narrative of what has been going on.

Without derailing the conversation into why Tocchett decided to leave this franchise and what he really thinks of Pettersson, focusing on the value you have already said you wouldn't do it and are willing to bet he returns to a top 5 player in the NHL with a full NTC.

Curious to see what other Canucks fans think of it.
 
Necas
Kotkeineimi
Morrow
1st

Apparently ownership stepped in and nixed the trade...after Tocchett asked for it to happen. Then, Pettersson signed the contract for 11.6 and the play fell of a cliff for the last 18 months.
Close, Morrow was asked for never included.
It was Necas Kotkeineimi and 1st for EP40
 
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Close, Morrow was asked for never included.
It was Necas Kotkeineimi and 1st for EP40
Thank you so much for this clarification. Helps in establishing the middle ground between what he was worth to Carolina 18 months ago and what he is worth now as a current player.

It means I can lean more into the Carolina offer and what is a realistic offer from Boston that isn't that far in one direction while also giving Vancouver a solid offer.
 
If Hughes leaves, sure, no problem, value is in the range. But, we need to do everything we can to retain Hughes after these next two years, trading Pettersson away where the main return is a high draft pick doesn't help with this.
 
Never once said it was a legit source but everything about this team this year and last has been chaos and this certainly fills that narrative of what has been going on.
Well I mean you’re the one that said that the Canucks moved out Miller and Tocchet in order to make Pettersson happy. I simply asked you to back that narrative up.

Without derailing the conversation into why Tocchett decided to leave this franchise and what he really thinks of Pettersson, focusing on the value you have already said you wouldn't do it and are willing to bet he returns to a top 5 player in the NHL with a full NTC.
I don’t expect him to return to a top 5 player in the NHL(was he ever really?), but if the Canucks are to have any success, him returning to a PPG pace with strong defensive play is a must.

Curious to see what other Canucks fans think of it.
Value-wise it’s solid, just not something Vancouver could realistically do unless they have another deal lined up for a #1 center.
 
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Well I mean you’re the one that said that the Canucks moved out Miller and Tocchet in order to make Pettersson happy. I simply asked you to back that narrative up.


I don’t expect him to return to a top 5 player in the NHL(was he ever really?), but if the Canucks are to have any success, him returning to a PPG pace with strong defensive play is a must.


Value-wise it’s solid, just not something Vancouver could realistically do unless they have another deal lined up for a #1 center.
I really think that year before he signed he was in the top five conversation and is paid as the current #5.

As of today, he is still the fifth highest paid player in the NHL so I expect him to be in the top 10 for scoring annually at that cap hit. When he signed, I felt that it was a fair deal and they were buying his prime years as a top center in the NHL.

He hasn't lived up to it and has put the Canucks in a bad position with his effort, play, production and attitude.

I'm with you that they would have to then do their usual approach (I call it usual as the current Canucks regime has made it a pattern) of taking the assets from a trade and immediately trading it for who/what they want.
 
Well I mean you’re the one that said that the Canucks moved out Miller and Tocchet in order to make Pettersson happy. I simply asked you to back that narrative up.


I don’t expect him to return to a top 5 player in the NHL(was he ever really?), but if the Canucks are to have any success, him returning to a PPG pace with strong defensive play is a must.


Value-wise it’s solid, just not something Vancouver could realistically do unless they have another deal lined up for a #1 center.
Pure example. Canucks trade Pettersson to Bruins for the package I listed, then add Zacha to the lineup, draft the Leafs 1st next year and trade the 7th overall (if it was Hagens for example who dropped) to the Islanders for Barzal.

They tend to have the next domino lined up with these larger trades to get who they want.
 
If I am Rutherford/Allvin and my focus is on keeping my job, I'd rather bet on EP and adding to try to keep Hughes. Yes, there is risk that EP continues to suck. And then they would likely be out of a job as Hughes decides to move on. But, I don't think a futures based package is lower risk at all. It would have to come with them making another move with the assets like the JT trade.

And at that point, you wonder if Boston should be barking up that tree instead and not take on the EP risk, either.

Of course. What is that tree?
 
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Pure example. Canucks trade Pettersson to Bruins for the package I listed, then add Zacha to the lineup, draft the Leafs 1st next year and trade the 7th overall (if it was Hagens for example who dropped) to the Islanders for Barzal.

They tend to have the next domino lined up with these larger trades to get who they want.
Yea if they had something along that lined up then I would be a lot more receptive of the idea.

But ultimately it comes down to whether or not they believe Pettersson can rebound.
 
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Yea if they had something along that lined up then I would be a lot more receptive of the idea.
I can't remember the last big trade they made where they didn't have the next domino lined up.

I am really interested to see where Hagens ends up this draft. If someone wants Martin or McQueen or a D suddenly you could have an Islanders team willing to move on from Barzal for Hagens + and someone wanting to make that move.
 
Good point. Difference is that Pettersson is taking up 11.6 and his NTC kicks-in in 53 days. They still have time to move on from this contract where the Bruins are going to hope that Lindholm adds 20 points to his game next year.
It's definitely a factor. I just can't see Vancouver taking less than top tier value. They probably want 100p player value return, but given the salary and his most recent season, I don't think they'd get anything remotely close to it.
 
Trading zacha and midlestat is selling tge farm for the Bruins? Wow they probably should just rebuild from scratch
The offer is one of them in the trade for Pettersson, the 7th overall and the Leafs 1st in 2026. Vancouver chooses one of the two to replace Pettersson, draft the future C who is 1-2 years away and then draft or trade the Leafs 2026 1st for more help now while getting out of the 11.6 contract.

Just saw you were replying to Don. Many Bruins fans don't like the idea of trading the two 1sts for a potential 1st line C as you can draft him with that pick.
 
The offer is one of them in the trade for Pettersson, the 7th overall and the Leafs 1st in 2026. Vancouver chooses one of the two to replace Pettersson, draft the future C who is 1-2 years away and then draft or trade the Leafs 2026 1st for more help now while getting out of the 11.6 contract.

Just saw you were replying to Don. Many Bruins fans don't like the idea of trading the two 1sts for a potential 1st line C as you can draft him with that pick.
If i was Vancouver, i would trade him for the 1st round pick and Zacha and start over rebuilding the center depth. I think Canucks and Bruins 1st round picks could be packaged with chytil to get a top center and winger. Then just get another center via FA like Bennett.

So canucks and Bruins 1st picks plus chytil for

Alex tuch and JJ Peterka

Sign Bennett in FA

Canucks lineup next year:

Debrusk-Tuch-JJ Peterka
Bennett-Zacha-Garland
Joshua-Suter-Sherwood
O'Connor-Blueger-Hoglander
Lekkermaki, Raty

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Myers
Pettersson-Mancini
forbort

Demko
Lankinen

Out: Boeser, Pettersson, Chytil
25 million saved from moving these 3 players
 
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If i was Vancouver, i would trade him for the 1st round pick and Zacha and start over rebuilding the center depth. I think Canucks and Bruins 1st round picks could be packaged with chytil to get a top center and winger. Then just get another center via FA like Bennett.

So canucks and Bruins 1st picks plus chytil for

Alex tuch and JJ Peterka

Sign Bennett in FA

Canucks lineup next year:

Debrusk-Tuch-JJ Peterka
Bennett-Zacha-Garland
Joshua-Suter-Sherwood
O'Connor-Blueger-Hoglander
Lekkermaki, Raty

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Myers
Pettersson-Mancini
forbort

Demko
Lankinen

Out: Boeser, Pettersson, Chytil
25 million saved from moving these 3 players
Vancouver would also have the Leafs 1st next year from the Bruins trade.
 
Not thanks from the Bruins. We need some draft capital. Our pipeline is empty. Our board has talked about the first two pieces being in play for Petterson but not adding that other 1st. I'm not really interested in a hope and prayer for that pick. If Petterson doesn't come back to form that's an albatross.
 
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