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I don't think you can count out Karlsson fighting for a spot too. But I really think a Dubinsky-Wennberg-Jenner-Karlsson would give us the similar depth we had in 13 if we can get some rookies pushing hard for spots


*If Wennberg and Karlsson continue developing the next few seasons
 

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I don't see us having the cap room to go to $4 mill a year for Jenner or Murray and definitely not both. I see being able to spend 7 or so on the two of them plus Karlsson unless one or more of the following happen:

Some buyouts of Campbell/Boll/Tyutin

A trade to free cap space of Tyutin/JJ/Hartsy

The cap goes up more than 3 %.

And if Joey is re-signed for big bucks I don't see the cap crunch going away until the 2018-19 season unless trades for inexpensive players/picks/prospects are made. 2019-20 is when we get out from under cap restraints for sure. Personally I think cap mgt by Jarmo has been his worst area.
 

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From current roster, we lose Bourque's $3.33M (presumably). Any other expiring contract is relatively nominal, as the other RFA/UFA's on expiring contracts are $1.075M (Prout) or less.

However, Bourque's salary isn't near enough to cover increases to Boone and Murray (whether by bridge or long-term contracts), and to Karlsson (bridge likely).

So where do the $ come from just for next year to sign both Boone and Murray to $4M longterm and Karlsson to bridge? That totals roughly $10M for the 3 of them (assuming Karlsson's bridge is close to $2M). Subtract the $1M in cap space, their current salaries of $767K, 830K, and $894K, and subtract Bourque's $3.333, and we still need $3.176M in additional room (assuming cap stays the same) to do those deals. That assumes no new money for a new D (although Werenksi could be a new D for no added $). Here are the candidates (not necessarily in order of priority, and not because of better play or fits, but after factoring in contract terms, NMC/NTC, and other factors:

-Trade Tyutin, at $4.5M for 2 more years (but who takes him without an add on at that number - maybe a playoff contender who has deep injuries to D at trade deadline?). Replace with Werenski, Bondarchuk, etc.
But note - Tyuts has a limited NMC, details unknown.

Trade Hartnell at $4.75M for 3 more years. But Hartsy has a NMC.

Trade JJ at $4.375M for 2 more years...at least there is not a NMC or NTC.

Trade Joey at $4.0M for 1 more year (plus arbitration year).

Trade Cam at $3.5M for 2 more years (there is no NMC or NTC).

Keep in mind that if you project CBJ signing Joey to $8M for 2017-18 and beyond, you need to free up $4M (or more) the following year (Boll and Campbell not being re-signed would free up $3.2M - I am not advocating that, just that Boll and Campbell are the only 2, along with Cody, with expiring contracts for 2017-18, and I assume Cody gets re-signed).

So if you keep Joey, we need to find $7.176M or more in salaries to dump in the next to years. That looks like Tyutin this year and probably Hartnell this year or next year (possibly Cam in place of Hartnell). Note, however, that is simply what is needed to keep the roster as it is and count on Werenski, Rychel, Milano, etc... to fill up any needs with lower level ELC salaries. That doesn't bring in any FA or trade up for 1/2 D-man.
I also do not think CBJ parts with both Tyuts and JJ at the same time - unless it includes bringing in a top pair D-man to replace them, at which point there is likely no salary dumping involved. Kind of puts the whole shooting match on what to do with Joey. If Joey isn't re-signed, that leaves the $8M + to look at other D or F optionswhether that be keeping Hartsy/Cam, a D upgrade in 2 years, etc..).

I am not saying everyone else is untouchable. I ignored lower-end salaries (less than $1.0M) because they just don't help cap space enough for this discussion. I don't see CBJ trading any of the following above $1M in salary for the following reasons:

-Saad, given the recency of the trade for him and relatively good performance thus far (although $6.0M would create largest space and there is no NMC/NTC involved)

-Dubi, given NTC/NMC and Torts mancrush (deserved or not)

-Foligno, given NTC/NMC and being the new C

-Clarkson, given obvious

-Calvert, given $2.2M contract is high value to CBJ and is playing above that (which means we'll trade him, lol)

-Boll, obviously not tradeable contract, and a buyout of last year of $1.7M would not create that much additional space

-Savard, given recent contract and improving performance (albeit subjective)


I didn't think we were in cap hell as much as some were saying. But the above says we just might be, unless....Young kids come stomping in Sept 2016 to make team (Werenski, Rychel, Milano, etc, and/or unless we gut some veteran core and/or unless we trade Joey at some point. Don't have to do any of those today, but in order to extend Boone/Murray now, we would have to do some of those moves.

EDIT - Espen, you beat me to it.
 
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From current roster, we lose Bourque's $3.33M (presumably). Any other expiring contract is relatively nominal, as the other RFA/UFA's on expiring contracts are $1.075M (Prout) or less.

I'm not going to read everything you posted, it really has nothing to do with Jenner.

I'm not sure how much you think Murray and Jenner are going to get paid, but we're at 64 million with Karlsson, Jenner, and Murray. I doubt we're signing any of them to long term deals and 10 million (if the cap goes up) should be more than enough.

You've got some other RFA's and UFA's, but none of them are expensive if you want to retain.

Might be a bit tight, but if we're still a cap team it's quite doable. I said in another thread it's time to let Tyutin go, but he has a M-NTC.

Jenner, good player. But if he scores close to 30 we aren't going to sign him to a long term deal until he does it again. If he ends up with under 25, maybe they do but it should be a pretty inexpensive deal.
 

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$4 mill on bridges for Jenner and Murray?? Can we make sure they can make it through 75-80 NHL regular season games without injury first? I was hoping for $3 mill or less for each.

Salary cap still unknown, projections put it at around $74 million for next season.

As of now, with no buyouts or trades, here is where CBJ stand:

Forwards: $41.175 million for 11 forwards
Defense: $13.857 million for 4 defensemen
Goalies: $8.225 million for 2 goalies (goes down slightly if we move CMac and take Korpisalo as Bob's backup)
Total: $63.257 million for 17 roster spots.
Needed: at least 2 Fs and 3 Ds

RFAs: Jenner (~$3 million?), Karlsson (~$1.5 million?), Chaput (???)
D: Prout (please don't bring back), Murray (~$3 million?), Connauton (~$1 million?)
UFAs: Bourque (bye), Bodnarchuk (~$1 million?)

Let's take the 3 that seem most likely - Murray, Jenner, and Karlsson. Those 3 will probably be in the range of $7 million total cap hit.

So now, CBJ have committed $70.25 million in cap space to 20 roster spots - 13 F, 5 D, and 2 G.

That leaves about $4 million for 2 more D and perhaps another forward. Maybe you pencil in Connauton and Bodnarchuk on the back end. That'll take the team right up to the salary cap.

I think Tyutin is a likely trade candidate, though I don't know who wants a slow, aging defenseman for $4.5 million a year. The big cap hits we just committed new deals to (Bob, Saad, Dubinsky, Foligno) or are non-tradable (Clarkson). Or we could move the leading goal scorer (Hartnell).
 

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I'm not going to read everything you posted, it really has nothing to do with Jenner.

Edit: The bold says it all. Management of the cap requires analysis of the entire roster/cap in evaluating EACH contract.
Pretty ballsy to criticize a post while admitting you didn't read it all. Which means you probably didn't read the prior post #24 in which I first responded to OP's question with a "not so much" response; post 28 simply fleshed out the contract/cap issues in greater detail. But thanks for sharing.
 
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Didn't Calvert and Cam get less than $2M for their initial bridges?

Calvert $850K / $1.125M
Cam $1.125M / $1.175M

Maybe I am too high on approximately $2M bridges for Jenner and Murray, but if Joey's bridge was $4M, I'd have a hard time thinking Boone gets much less than $2M.
He already wears an A, he is held up as the definition of being a Blue Jacket, his consistency is there well beyond Cam's and his talent level/peak is held to be much higher than Calvert (but I love how Matty has been playing of late). We'll see.

Murray - who knows. The injuries make a bridge the only likely solution, but those same injuries also cloud what that amount should be. I'd have to think $1.5M minimum - he's a 1st rounder and had significant bonuses in contract in the past.
Not saying he's worth it, just thinking that's what the market will bear.
 

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Jenner will get more because of the qualities you listed. He's been a leader since day 1.

Murray will get much much less because of his injuries. And you better believe with the cap crunch and having the upper hand on Murray they're going to make him earn every dollar (I hope...)
 

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Edit: The bold says it all. Management of the cap requires analysis of the entire roster/cap in evaluating EACH contract.
Pretty ballsy to criticize a post while admitting you didn't read it all.

Settle down there. No this isn't the place to analyze each contract on the team. I looked at Capfriendly for 30 seconds and realized there is nothing close to an issue. I contributed, against my better judgement, to try and illustrate that. Instead of critiquing that you grabbed onto my comment like a dog with a bone.

Honestly we've talked about contracts in great detail, there was an entire thread about it.

Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year.
 

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Settle down there. No this isn't the place to analyze each contract on the team. I looked at Capfriendly for 30 seconds and realized there is nothing close to an issue. I contributed, against my better judgement, to try and illustrate that. Instead of critiquing that you grabbed onto my comment like a dog with a bone.

Honestly we've talked about contracts in great detail, there was an entire thread about it.

Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year.

My opinion is that a full discussion of the roster/contracts is appropriate anytime someone suggests a longer-term contract for player x and y.
Your opinion is different, so be it.

I agreed with you that long-term contracts for Boone and Murray don't work and aren't needed. The cap issue isn't immediate for 2016, but the cap issues do arise in 2017, if CBJ decides to re-up with Joey. Any long-term contract now affects the CBJ's ability to keep Joey and/or keep other veterans and/or fish on the FA market, etc....


I understand your desire to keep the analysis more focused on the specific issue (Boone and Murray contract extensions). That's fair, I disagree respectfully and move on. I probably agree with your views 60% of the time, but I respect all of your views and tend to give them higher credence - because you typically cite some objective basis behind your opinion.

In the interests of full disclosure, year end is a ***** for my work, and maybe moreso this year than ever. I took a little time Sunday and yesterday to chill out and catch up on HF. Your post (maybe not intentionally) also implied that I was advocating an extension for one or both, when you up front stated that you hadn't read the entire post. I was already on edge, and your statement that you hadn't even read the entire post, and yet disagreed with it, immediately ticked me off.
In hindsight, I would have been better to have just let it go, or just simply pointed you to my post prior to the one you were commenting on. I don't engage in trolling, nor do I want to get snarky with anyone on here. My assumption is that all on here are die-hard CBJ fans; that's why I am here, common interests with some not-so-common views as to how/why.

My apologies for getting a bit snarky.
I look forward to exchanging ideas over the coming months - my guess is that we won't agree but both will have foundations for our opinions.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, your family and all on here!
 

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In the interests of full disclosure, year end is a ***** for my work, and maybe moreso this year than ever. I took a little time Sunday and yesterday to chill out and catch up on HF. Your post (maybe not intentionally) also implied that I was advocating an extension for one or both, when you up front stated that you hadn't read the entire post.

No I was saying there is an entire thread dedicated to our Cap situation moving forward. Resurrect it if you want to analyze the entire team. This thread is about Boone Jenner and we can easily fit him within the cap with his extension. We'll want to. He was a great pickup in the 2nd round and he's getting better.

For this threads sake I don't really care all that much if you want to keep or move Murray based on Cap issues, perceived or real.

If you want to repost your thoughts in the old cap thread, I'll be happy to actually review it.
 

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hey CBJ fans,

Interested in knowing how the fan-base feels about Jenner?

Bruins fan here but I live in Oshawa and enjoyed watching him play as a General. Is he a potential for movement at the deadline? Contract is still good and his point production is good comparatively for other players in his developmental year.

Is his 2-way game strong?

What would it take from Boston?

Not a Toronto fan, but would JVR for Jenner be close to value for teams?
 

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Not leaving Columbus anytime soon. He is an RFA after this season and will probably get a bridge deal. His two-way game is very strong

I wouldn't trade him for JVR
 
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hey CBJ fans,

Interested in knowing how the fan-base feels about Jenner?

Bruins fan here but I live in Oshawa and enjoyed watching him play as a General. Is he a potential for movement at the deadline? Contract is still good and his point production is good comparatively for other players in his developmental year.

Is his 2-way game strong?

What would it take from Boston?

Not a Toronto fan, but would JVR for Jenner be close to value for teams?

Jenner is developing very well. His two-way game is strong. He's looking like a 20-25 goal per year guy for the forseeable future.

What would it take? That's a tough one. For the Leafs it would take a lot more than JVR. For Boston? I'm not sure, but perhaps a 6'3" 220 lb. 20-23 year old, established top 6 center putting up 50+ points per season. Got any of those laying around?
 

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hey CBJ fans,

Interested in knowing how the fan-base feels about Jenner?

Bruins fan here but I live in Oshawa and enjoyed watching him play as a General. Is he a potential for movement at the deadline? Contract is still good and his point production is good comparatively for other players in his developmental year.

Is his 2-way game strong?

What would it take from Boston?

Not a Toronto fan, but would JVR for Jenner be close to value for teams?

Jenner is going nowhere.
 

sirmaxalot

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Good to know what fans think. Thanks!

I'd really like to see him do well there.

A lot of the Generals players from the last few years have moved on and are getting a shot at the big league now.

I thought his aggressive style would have been a fantastic fit in Boston and he would have flourished under Julien.

I only used JVR as a mean to gauge his worth to your fan-base as I think any Toronto name will be available.

If he is worth more due to age, upside and style of play + contract, helps me understand a Value Of or Trade post on main boards.

Cheers!
 

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