Injury Report: Boone Jenner out 1-2 months, Sean Collins recalled
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Matthew
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The disappointment cannot be conveyed by any of the words or language I've learned in my 27 years on Earth.
Listen, forget it. You can articulate a reasonable course of action that includes roster modifications via trades, waiver pick ups, and FA signings, but the only thing a lot of people are going to hear is that you seem to expect late round draft picks for big names. You'll probably hear demands to provide specific details of just what moves YOU'D make (oh wait, already happened).
In fact, while I agree with you philosophically and have argued for doing something earlier in the year, at this point I'm not keen on giving much up given our standings. When the season was much more salvageable, is when something needed to happen. This team is showing incredible fight right now but it's still a long climb.
But I'll still never agree with the whole "vultures are out there, nothing can be done!" trope.
Now that Jenner has sustained a second long term injury, will the board turn on him like they have Murray?
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
It's really simple.
Do you believe that trading circumstances right now are the same as trading circumstances at the deadline?
If not, then is it so much of a stretch to believe that the early part of the NHL season also has different trading circumstances that make it harder to make a move?
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Um, I don't think guys are over-compensating when pucks are breaking hands and fingers and such. Which has been occurring at an awfully high rate. Get some new gloves/padding?
Double-Shift Lasse
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As if "the board" does anything in lock-step opinion.
At least db qualifies his discontent. As long as he's not including yours truly among those, as that's never been my stance in the discussion he's referencing and which I will not be goaded into having, in the word of Forrest Gump, again.
It is going to be VERY hard to make a "good" trade when every team knows we are desperate. I just don't see the need to even make a trade. We are winning because of Bobrovsky. If we can keep winning that way, great. If not, we get a good draft pick, in a deep draft, and move on for next year.
EspenK
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I don't think turn against is the right term. Being concerned for is much better way of expressing it. I am very concerned about both of them. Murray because he does seem injury prone and takes forever to heal; Jenner because a back problem, especially at this age, is very concerning and could easily in my opinion become a chronic condition which ultimately could lead to a Horton situation.
Hopefully things turn out great for both of these guys but to not at least be concerned about them seems a bit Pollyanish.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
5 points out of a playoff spot.
Just admit it...this team could go 82-0 and you'd still be clamoring for Jarmo to "OMGGGG DO SOMETHING!!!111!!11"
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
To be fair, he's stated repeatedly that Jarmo did Do Something; the continued issue is that he somehow Didn't Do It Earlier. Which I think is silly because "earlier" is during a period where nobody's willing to trade anything for anything fair (it's too close to the offseason), but we've had that conversation.
I would like to think my team is helmed by a guy who is savvy enough and sophisticated enough to get things done even when they are hard. I have high expectations. When teams have needs, good execs meet them.
It's simple.
Anyway, you can have the last word. I can't believe I goaded myself into this again lol
I dunno, seems like you should probably read the second paragraph of the post you quoted.
CBJSlash
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Should also be noted that the Leafs have played 22 of 33 games at home (how does this happen?) and... they are the Leafs.
If Jarmo was looking at making a move last week (he was seen in two different cities with interesting wingers), Jenner's injury will not and should not cause him to throw in the towel. I'd bet anything that he'll be back in a month. If he was playing through it and there is no operation, he'll push his way back on the ice.
The only thing I will agree with is that it is still hard right now because most of our attractive pieces are futures and teams selling right now aren't interested in accepting futures for players we would consider upgrades.
For example, I can see a player like Atkinson (likely our only NHL piece that could be traded for an upgrade) being interesting to contenders who need cap space, but we'd be taking a higher salary coming back. I can see Rychel, Dano, Bjorkstrand, Milano, etc. etc. being interesting to a team committed to a rebuild (like Buffalo, but no interesting pieces).
If Murray comes back at some point and can prove he can stay in the lineup (a lot to ask). We will have an attractive defensemen.
Colorado is an interesting team. Boston is an interesting team. New Jersey could have a player that fits. Edmonton and us likely aren't great matches right now, but if we can get more healthy then maybe. If these teams keep losing something could materialize.
Cyclones Rock
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David Desharnais of Montreal might be available for not much.
He's caught in the numbers game in Montreal. He was the #1C for the past 3 years, but with the emergence of Galchenyuk (picked right after Ryan Murray....we'll see how this plays out), the solid two way play of Plekanec and Lars Eller getting the third line slot, Desharnais has been moved to wing. His time might be up as a Hab.
He's got two years remaining at $3.5m per and has produced at a 54 points per 82 games since the 2011-12 season. With Asinimov out long term and Jenner for who knows how long, Desharnais would be a perfect 3rd line center who can play the second wave of the PP. He can probably be had for a 2nd, perhaps even a 3rd. Should he be acquired, it would probably mean that the Jackets wouldn't resign Asinimov.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=73254
He's caught in the numbers game in Montreal. He was the #1C for the past 3 years, but with the emergence of Galchenyuk (picked right after Ryan Murray....we'll see how this plays out), the solid two way play of Plekanec and Lars Eller getting the third line slot, Desharnais has been moved to wing. His time might be up as a Hab.
He's got two years remaining at $3.5m per and has produced at a 54 points per 82 games since the 2011-12 season. With Asinimov out long term and Jenner for who knows how long, Desharnais would be a perfect 3rd line center who can play the second wave of the PP. He can probably be had for a 2nd, perhaps even a 3rd. Should he be acquired, it would probably mean that the Jackets wouldn't resign Asinimov.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=73254
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Cyclones Rock
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Well stated.
It's the difficult times which define one's real worth. While JK has done well in filling the holes created by injured defensemen, he has failed the test miserably with the offensive issues.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
And if you seriously believe that that isn't exactly what's already happened here, with what JK has been able to pull off with one hand tied behind his back and the other on fire, then your expectations are unreasonably high.
We here on the boards used to have similar "HE'S NOT DOING ENOUGH" conversations about Scott Howson while he was here. That seems to have changed some... after he was fired. I'd like to think that the rest of us can learn to recognize a good thing when we see it rather than continuously having to get it in hindsight.
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Sometimes what you want isn't going to be available for a reasonable price. Sometimes you have to let the other guy sweat it out a bit before he'll give you what you want. And sometimes you just have to have confidence in the guys you have and make sure that those other GMs know it so they know they can't push you around.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
And on the actual topic... 
So I'd want to do more scouting before I say "yes, this is a good idea" - I want to know better why everybody seems to be flinching. I will say that the thought has crossed my mind also, tho, and assuming it's just Familiarity Breeds Contempt, I think he would be a good target.
The Habs can't seem to give him away right now. Or at least Habs fans on the trade mains can't. I'm not sure why that is; I'm suspecting it's an issue in which folks have seen his name mentioned so many times that they just reflexively dismiss him as trash. But it's also entirely possible that he's just not skilled or fast enough to make up for size issues, or something. I just haven't seen enough games.
So I'd want to do more scouting before I say "yes, this is a good idea" - I want to know better why everybody seems to be flinching. I will say that the thought has crossed my mind also, tho, and assuming it's just Familiarity Breeds Contempt, I think he would be a good target.
The question is, is he worth a second round pick in a deep draft? I don't think he is.
Cyclones Rock
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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2004e.html
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2005e.html
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=73254
Desharnais draft year (he went undrafted) was in2004. From the second round of the 2004 draft only 5 have more points than Desharnais' 182. All of those players have played far more than the 291 games that he has. There were 35 2nd round picks that year (I have no idea why)
In the 2005 draft only 6 have more than 182 points. 31 were drafted.
While there are other factors to consider other than points (obviously), the production level of Desharnais to this point in his career and a reasonable projection of future points, make his productivity well worth a second rounder.
Of the 35 second round picks in 2004, 16 never played an NHL game. Nine more haven't reached 100 games yet. Only 8 have played more than Desharnais 291 career regular season NHL games.
Second round picks are less than a 50-50 proposition of even playing 100 NHL career games in most draft years. An established player in his late 20s is more than worth a second round pick in most instances.
