Bobrovsky signs: 2 years, 11.25 million, (post 854)

[SuperGenius]

RFA offer sheets aren't as rare as Vezina winning free agents. And I don't think its a likelihood that we will lose Bob to either an offer sheet or to the KHL, but the risk should be noted, and it should affect negotiations. If Bob feels insulted by Jarmo's offer, he can look elsewhere, and he can go if he wants. I hope that we don't try and pull a Bergevin (what he did with Subban) with Bob, because it could go completely wrong.

I have a hard time thinking this fearfully about such an unlikely outcome. The cows could take over next week for all we know.

 

[major major]

I have a hard time thinking this fearfully about such an unlikely outcome. The cows could take over next week for all we know.

I don't know if folks are familiar with the Nash bargaining solution, named for John Nash, of Beautiful Mind fame. It holds that in two person bargaining, like Bobrovsky bargaining with Jarmo, the final agreements are diagonal with the default options. (Keep in mind this is not what people in negotiations think about, but it is consistent with the way a great many negotiations unfold.)

Bob's default option is to make millions playing for somebody else, either in Russia or another NHL team. Jarmo's default option is looking for a replacement goalie.

I don't think this bargaining dynamic is going to come into play with Bob, but it could if things get adversarial and there is a holdout.

 

[Fro]

if an offer sheet is less than 4.5m i think we match...anything more, we take the picks and trade for another goalie... (reunite Luango with Clarke?) we'll deal...lets just be happy for the Vezina nomination...brings good thoughts towards the city and the team that we're on our way north...

 

[major major]

if an offer sheet is less than 4.5m i think we match...anything more, we take the picks and trade for another goalie... (reunite Luango with Clarke?) we'll deal...lets just be happy for the Vezina nomination...brings good thoughts towards the city and the team that we're on our way north...

I think term affects the risk quite a bit, so its hard to know if you're just thinking about long-term deals, but if its a short deal I think Bob at $4.5 million is a bargain. I would put my maximum match at 4 year deals at around $4.5 million, and 2 year at $6 million.

 

[Samkow]

I think term affects the risk quite a bit, so its hard to know if you're just thinking about long-term deals, but if its a short deal I think Bob at $4.5 million is a bargain. I would put my maximum match at 4 year deals at around $4.5 million, and 2 year at $6 million.

10 goalies made over 4.5 million dollars last season. I know salaries will go down a little due to the cap but Bob is going to want to be paid like the upper echelon goaltender that he is.

If Kekalainen can get a reigning Vezina trophy winner signed for anything under 5 million a season, he deserves to have a parade thrown in his honor.

 

[major major]

10 goalies made over 4.5 million dollars last season. I know salaries will go down a little due to the cap but Bob is going to want to be paid like the upper echelon goaltender that he is.

If Kekalainen can get a reigning Vezina trophy winner signed for anything under 5 million a season, he deserves to have a parade thrown in his honor.

Good point. With your encouragement I'm raising my numbers. I would put the "walk threshold" at least at $6.7 million for a 2 year deal. (I think that's also the threshold from 1 to 2 first round picks in RFA offer-sheet compensation.)

 

[Sore Loser]

Go Bob!!!

 

[punk_o_holic]

People forget that offer sheets are two way streets, they have to offer and Bob has to sign. How many times has it been done? I can only remember four times (Vanek, Hjalmarsson, Weber, and O'Reilly) it has ever been done. That's 4 (or maybe a bit more im forgetting) out of hundreds of RFA's in the past. I'm not worried at all. He wants to be here, and we want him to be here. He's going to be here.

A couple more. After the Oilers failed at Vanek they offered and ended up getting Dustin Penner from the Ducks. I also remember the Canucks signing Backes but the Blues quickly matched. A year or two later, the Blues returned the favour and signed Bernier but the Canucks matched that as well.

 

[Yawn]

Sigh..........

In all seriousness, i'm very happy for Bob, guy works his butt off and played amazing.

 

[Skraut]

People forget that offer sheets are two way streets, they have to offer and Bob has to sign. How many times has it been done? I can only remember four times (Vanek, Hjalmarsson, Weber, and O'Reilly) it has ever been done. That's 4 (or maybe a bit more im forgetting) out of hundreds of RFA's in the past. I'm not worried at all. He wants to be here, and we want him to be here. He's going to be here.

As long as you define "a bit" as 31 you're bang on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets

 

[Robert]

I don't know if folks are familiar with the Nash bargaining solution, named for John Nash, of Beautiful Mind fame. It holds that in two person bargaining, like Bobrovsky bargaining with Jarmo, the final agreements are diagonal with the default options. (Keep in mind this is not what people in negotiations think about, but it is consistent with the way a great many negotiations unfold.)

Bob's default option is to make millions playing for somebody else, either in Russia or another NHL team. Jarmo's default option is looking for a replacement goalie.

I don't think this bargaining dynamic is going to come into play with Bob, but it could if things get adversarial and there is a holdout.

And also, the group is is more likely to succeed than the individual... I think Bob likes Columbus and his team, sure money is an issue but I think he will be signing here regardless of winning the Vezina; and I think Jarmo will offer the contract he's willing to sign.. Congratulations Bob...

 

[Roadman]

On their last blog cast the Puck Rakers contemplated either a 2 yr or a 4 yr contract, since Bob has 3 yrs left of RFA after 13-14. 2 yrs leaves him as RFA and 4 eats 1 yr of UFA. One would be the 2yr "bridge" then the "Big" one, that would give the cap two more years of growth, if Bob's performance continues at his present level that big one will be just that. A four year deal now might forestall that big deal at a better rate for the last two. It's certainly a pay me now, pay me later proposition.

Really don't care which way they go, just so it get's done.

 

[JACKETfan]

10 goalies made over 4.5 million dollars last season. I know salaries will go down a little due to the cap but Bob is going to want to be paid like the upper echelon goaltender that he is.

If Kekalainen can get a reigning Vezina trophy winner signed for anything under 5 million a season, he deserves to have a parade thrown in his honor.

The top 10 you refer to were drafted and are veterans, and have multi season track records.

It would be reasonable to see Bob go from #30 to #15 on the list around Niemi's $3.5 mil.

I wish they could go back to the days of performance bonuses.

 

[blahblah]

On their last blog cast the Puck Rakers contemplated either a 2 yr or a 4 yr contract, since Bob has 3 yrs left of RFA after 13-14. 2 yrs leaves him as RFA and 4 eats 1 yr of UFA. One would be the 2yr "bridge" then the "Big" one, that would give the cap two more years of growth, if Bob's performance continues at his present level that big one will be just that. A four year deal now might forestall that big deal at a better rate for the last two. It's certainly a pay me now, pay me later proposition.

Really don't care which way they go, just so it get's done.

I prefer a 2 year deal to keep him hungry for that that first UFA deal. I'm not opposed in investing big in him after he's preformed like this for another year or two. A big year next year and I'm already negotiating a new deal.

The reality is that the dollars aren't going to be what Bob wants, especially on a four year deal.

We've only had a small sample size, but JD is showing a tendency toward shorter term deals with RFA's. Howson was more of a longer term deal modestly over market on dollars to get them to sign kind of guy. There are pro's and con's to both methods. I prefer the shorter deals. For most players, if not all of them, I am opposed to max term deals. I don't like contracts over 4 or 5 years.

As a GM that would take me out of the running for Parise, Richards, etc. The only player in recent history I would have went 8 years on is Weber and he was RFA but as a GM I would have went max on that RFA contract. I wouldn't go max term on Malkin if he were to make it to UFA (not going to happen).

 

[Roadman]

I went back and listened again to the podcast specifically to hear Port'y numbers on Bob. His take, in a discussion with another agent, the two yr deal at 5.5, 2.5 & 3. The four year deal at 14. 3.5 per.

I think those are low. Anyone??

 

[blahblah]

I went back and listened again to the podcast specifically to hear Port'y numbers on Bob. His take, in a discussion with another agent, the two yr deal at 5.5, 2.5 & 3. The four year deal at 14. 3.5 per.

I think those are low. Anyone??

Since the deal isn't done, it's probably a little low. But that is probably closer than some of the things being thrown around here.

Notice kind of what I said in the previous post. You have to pay more to give up a year of UFA. The contract I never understood was Mason. Howson got fleeced on that deal. That might be part of the reason we think Bob is going to get that 4.5-5.0 per deal.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Meant to post this from yesterday's Dispatch.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...vsky-a-finalist-for-top-goaltender-award.html

“A new deal could be done this week, or it could be done in August,†said John Davidson, the Blue Jackets’ president of hockey operations. “You just don’t know with these things, but there’s a deal to be made there, and it’ll get done. We have an affinity for Bob, and Bob likes Columbus.â€

Is there enough to talk about to get us to August? Cripes, JD...

 

[blahblah]

Is there enough to talk about to get us to August? Cripes, JD...

I think what you are looking for is the end of June... :p

Draft and FA... We also might get that AA signing in here somewhere, that one should be a little easier than Bob.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I think what you are looking for is the end of June... :p

Draft and FA... We also might get that AA signing in here somewhere, that one should be a little easier than Bob.

I meant us (HFB), not SB/JD... I can't believe JD would subject us to three more months of posting on this topic. He should know better.

 

[Jyrki]

Is Bob protected from offer sheets? Because if he isn't he'll be a very obvious target. Hell, Stevie Y might kick the tires the moment July 1st comes around.

 

[Jimmys7]

Is Bob protected from offer sheets? Because if he isn't he'll be a very obvious target. Hell, Stevie Y might kick the tires the moment July 1st comes around.

Tampa doesn't exactly have a ton of cap space, and they've made 2 substantial trades in the last year for goalies. I have a hard time seeing this happening.

 

[blahblah]

I meant us (HFB), not SB/JD... I can't believe JD would subject us to three more months of posting on this topic. He should know better.

Yeah, you were staying what are "we" going to be talking about until August? Well the draft and FA of course. That should distract the majority from Bob.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Yeah, you were staying what are "we" going to be talking about until August? Well the draft and FA of course. That should distract the majority from Bob.

But OMG what about bob? He's going to KHL/getting offer sheeted/falling down the stairs/the next Roy. There are so many non-topics to discuss in here. I'm trying to be Bob-timistic but it's so easy to become Bob-sessed.

Gah! It's happening again!

 

[blahblah]

But OMG what about bob? He's going to KHL/getting offer sheeted/falling down the stairs/the next Roy. There are so many non-topics to discuss in here. I'm trying to be Bob-timistic but it's so easy to become Bob-sessed.

Gah! It's happening again!

Funny movie. Did you fall into your own trap?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Funny movie. Did you fall into your own trap?

Nah I just forgot this isn't the thread I'm trying to mercifully get to 1,000 posts.