My best friend is a Ducks fan, and up until the trade, Bobby was my favourite non-Senator in the league, suffice to say, I've been watching him for years.
He's much better defensively than he ever was in Anaheim. He hasn't been putting up the same numbers, but playing along side players like Zibanejad/Hoffman vs Getzlaf/Perry will do that to you. (I realize he wasn't always on the RPG line).
Silfverberg will likely never crack 50pts and isn't really a gamebreaker.
Bobby will be good for at least 50+pts each year, and is definitely a gamebreaker.
Ottawa has several players in the system that will be able to fill in for Silfverberg, but none that could really replace what Ryan brings.
Ottawa overpaid for him, but that was reactionary to Alfie leaving.
Ok no point in arguing with you ,Silf isnt the better player period ,and if you watched the sens you would know how good BR was the first half .
.His offseason surgury may have had something to do with his lack of conditioning ,add in a broken finger .
And he still outpaced Silf by a decent margin ,all while playing with a first time top 6 center in zibby and a rookie in hoffman.Silf is an elite 3 line player ,that can play some top 6 mins .Ryan is an elite 2nd line player that can play some top line mins
He obviously cannot be a passenger with those kinds of linemates, but when he's asked to do the driving, the dip in production is exactly what's to be expected given what has been visible in Anaheim.
Also, I feel like with the lack of tangibles showing, some apologists severely overrate the intangibles in his favour, because I couldn't see too much of a great two-way game or an overly consistent effort from him with the Sens, either. Better than in his late Anaheim days, for sure, but far from what some make it out to be.
I don't think anyone is calling him a great two way player but I think your way off base questioning his consistency of effort. Can't recall ever having an issue with his effort not do I recall seeing a sens fan bringing up the same concern. And trust me there would be no issue calling out the effort level of a star player in Ottawa.
Adjusting one's play to avoid getting injured is generally the safest way to get injured.
Enough with this BS. I'm not a fan of either team, but Silfverberg scored 18pts in 16 playoff games, second only to Getzlaf 20 points. If scoring at a 1.125 ppg clip in the playoffs isn't gamebreaking, I don't know what is.
Quote me when Ryan ever scores over a PPG in the playoffs. He played with Getzlaf too and he still couldn't do it.
feel free to stop making things up, silf has become an excellent defensive player and extremely good on the boardsSilf isnt and never will be top 6 guy because of it ,not so hard to understand .Silf doesnt fight for ice in the dirty areas to score goals,never has never will .And he isnt skilled or fast enough to get production ,without support .He isnt the better player ,period
What was said about Ryan's lack of intensity was true.
He's also a very poor skater. When he doesn't score, he's useless.
Enough with this BS. I'm not a fan of either team, but Silfverberg scored 18pts in 16 playoff games, second only to Getzlaf 20 points. If scoring at a 1.125 ppg clip in the playoffs isn't gamebreaking, I don't know what is.
Quote me when Ryan ever scores over a PPG in the playoffs. He played with Getzlaf too and he still couldn't do it.
i always thought of bobby ryan as a bigger less skilled phil kessel.
Was Ville Leino a game breaker (20 pts in 19 games)?
Fanzen (18 pts in 12 games)?
Derek King (14 pts in 11 Games)?
Joel Ward (13 pts in 12 games)?
Heck guys like Kirk Muller, Purcell, Thomas, Kozlov and Rj Umberger have flirted with a point per game in a playoff run.
Freaking Shayne Corson had 14 pts in 13 games.
A good playoff run, or even a great one, doesn't make you a game breaker. We're talking about tiny samples here.
When he has the puck, he puts it in. You can't take that away from him. Very meh all-around player though.
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Ok everyone seriously needs to stop thinking Ryan has bad compete level/work ethic. This isn't 2011.
The guy has transformed amazingly to a 2 way beast. The only times he went invisible is in the offensive zone BUT that was only for one large stretch and if a guy just put up 54 points in 78 games while playing with broken finger for 15+ games and suffering hernia issues while playing very good defensively then that's a-ok with me.
Ryan has become a solid leader on this team and made terrific defensive plays in key situations, we normally see this often in superstar one-dimensional forwards who transform their games to 2 way players and go through down years offensively trying to find a medium in balancing their play in both ends and then later on exploding.
Ryan was producing at a 70+ point pace 3/4ths of the season in. but last 20 games he went invisible offensively(even though noticeable in other areas of the game) and he blamed it on injures and what not.
He had 50 points in first 58 games +13
He didn't go more than 3 games without recording a point and longest point-less stretch that time was 3 games.
He was consistent and dominant in almost every area, physically as well.
He had 36 points in 37 games from December till Feb 6th around time he got injury and was +10. It looked like he was gonna shatter his career totals while having a new refined 2 way game.
He suffered finger injury and what not and went reallly cold last 20 or so games recording like 4 or 5 points and -8.
I think with development to Zibanejad and improvement in Hoffman's game we can see Ryan hit 70 again next year possibly. He was basically on pace to score more than that this year until injuries and stuff happened.
If Ryan scores 50ish points again next year without stuff factoring in that Ottawa ****ed up, but for now they have a producing top powerforward in the game locked up longterm yet to be reaching his peak in overall play, imo.
I swear, most of the people in this thread have never seen Silfverberg play. He's ridiculously good at winning puck battle, is a terrific forechecker and plays above average defense. He's a good passer and has one of the best releases in the entire NHL. Watch out for him next year, I think he's going to explode.
Nope he peaked in his early 20s, and hasn't been as good since.