Speculation: Bob McKenzie (Weak Draft after 15-20 range)
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Makes sense as to why so many teams, who expected to be competitive this year, were happy to give up their 1sts for 2025 early.
There could be some early to mid 2nds traded to better teams who should do well next year for their 2026 2nd. That way teams that have traded their picks to be more competitive can atleast partake in the 2025 draft and the crappier teams can trade their 2nd for a 2026 2nd with a better talent pool.
BillDineen
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This the the draft the Flyers have targeted for years with their 7 picks in 1rst two rounds. 
Currently,
LV, Edm, Col, Dal, Min, in the west PO position have given up their first. LA, Win, Van, Cal still have their own.
Fla, TOR, TB, NYR, NJ, have given up theirs.
Wash, Car, Ott (option to surrender) still have theirs.
Lol, same with Nashville.This the the draft the Flyers have targeted for years with their 7 picks in 1rst two rounds.
They’re a middle-6er factoryThis the the draft the Flyers have targeted for years with their 7 picks in 1rst two rounds.
Habs Halifax
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I'd be willing to bet most if not all of those playoff teams will trade their 2025 1st at this TDL. Will be interesting to see who still has them after the TDL.
Habs own the Flames 1st at this point in time. It has conditions with the Panthers pick but at this stage, it's not likely the Flames 1st slips to bottom 10 so there is high probability the Habs end up with the Flames 1st vs the Panthers 1st.
The conditions on the Flames/Panthers 1st is some of the deepest conditions you will find....
Not many in the top 10 of the PO races still have theirs.
Right on Cal. I couldn't recall the details, but had figured they'd transfer the fla pick over.
LA, Van, Win, STL, in the top 10 in the west. Bos, Wash, Car, Ott, Det, CBJ in the East.
Though, I don't expect STL to deal theirs since they owe their 2nd and 3rd to Edm. Figure at least 1 of CBJ/Det keeps theirs. Ott, not sure if they are still holding out hope that they can get that penalty dropped or reduced like NJ did where they went from pick 13/14 in 2014 down to 30 in 2014.
More likely to see Wash, Car move theirs of the remaining clubs who still have their pick.
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To be fair, I feel like this is something they always say. Last year, there were only two consensuses - one was Celebrini at 1ov and the second was there was no consensus after that. I believe it may have been BMac that said "from 15 to 60 is the same player". There were some pretty wild "drops" and "earlies" in the draft as well. Pens got Mac Swanson in the 7th and one scout had him as a late 1st. It was all over the board.
I buy that after 8 or so there's a drop. The whole "2nds are a 3rd" is pure speculation. It MIGHT push some picks to 2026 but from what we're told, 2026 is better (ain't it always) so it might make some teams less apt to do that.
I buy that after 8 or so there's a drop. The whole "2nds are a 3rd" is pure speculation. It MIGHT push some picks to 2026 but from what we're told, 2026 is better (ain't it always) so it might make some teams less apt to do that.
With the TDL coming, I think it means we want 2026 & 2027 picks and we're ready to get rid of some of our 12 current picks.We have almost 2 drafts into 1, makes not much sense.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Right now it's just down to Montreal gets the better of the two picks if both teams finish outside the bottom 10, which is almost certainly will happen.I'd be willing to bet most if not all of those playoff teams will trade their 2025 1st at this TDL. Will be interesting to see who still has them after the TDL.
Habs own the Flames 1st at this point in time. It has conditions with the Panthers pick but at this stage, it's not likely the Flames 1st slips to bottom 10 so there is high probability the Habs end up with the Flames 1st vs the Panthers 1st.
The conditions on the Flames/Panthers 1st is some of the deepest conditions you will find....
The others is if one team finishes bottom.10, Montreal gets the other pick.
If both teams finish bottom 10 Montreal gets Calgary's 2026 1st unprotected.
The last part is basically impossible and the other bottom 2 are rather unlikely.
No, I think that we can objectively say that this is a fairly weak draft. All you have to do is look at the top 60-70 prospects and it becomes pretty apparent. Will some players taken after 15 make the NHL? Sure...but not many.
Habs Halifax
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Very low probability the Flames get to 10 or lower at this point in time.
Might see more deals like when Gaustad went for a 1st
Habs Halifax
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I can see the Habs being open to trading two 2nd rounders in this draft for one 2nd rounder in the 2026 draft. Stuff like that. Habs might also draft more NCAA players or players from Europe so the ELC contracts comes later and that helps our 50 contract limit.
It is a weak draft after 20 ish but some teams will have scouts that like certain players in that 20-75 range.
But yeah, sellers will be targeting prospects and picks in the 2026 and 2027 drafts as well.
Habs Halifax
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Even in your normal draft, those picks at 20-75 range are magic beans. Fans never like to trade futures and I get that... we have all been on either side of that fence but they are not sure shot NHL players. You got to actually hit with them.
Tampa started it when they traded a 1st for Savard and used him on the bottom pairing. That showed how to get a very good team into actually winning a cup. You need a deep team to win a cup in the NHL... it's very far from the NBA. Contenders are always looking for an added edge for their cup runs.
We just did...Granlund for a 1st from Dallas. No way SJ could have gotten that value from the 23 or 24 drafts and no way they'd have gotten it for the 26 draft. Dallas essentially traded a 2nd rounder for Granlund which is about what he's worth w/o retention.
Granlund is near a PPG and was on the worst team in the league, a bit different than a pure face-off and PK specialist.
BLNY
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I believe it was in the 2nd intermission of Sat broadcast where Friedman felt that first round picks would be much more in play this year due to the perceived lack of talent outside the top 10.
He can get those points playing in the top 6 on the worst team in the league. He won't get them in Dallas. He's a good player but a 3rd line guy in the playoffs. And with no retention. My guess earlier this year was that he'd return a 2nd and a 4th. In this draft I think that's exactly what he returned.
