Proposal: Bo Byram for Matthew Knies

[toddkaz]

You’re hoping for Leaf doom and gloom . Just don’t be surprised if the roster that won the division only a year ago isn’t terrible again

I don't hope for leafs doom and gloom, The franchise is fully capable of doom and gloom without fans hoping.

I actually think the NHL is better off with both Buffalo and Toronto competitive and in the playoffs. Its one of the few rivalries left in the NHL.

 

[Djp]

Now that's juicy! Do both fan bases go for it?

Power>> Knies

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Power>> Knies

Thats exactly how Leaf fans view knies vs Byram.

 

[TehDoak]

If the Leafs move Reilly to SJS as some have suggested, and perhaps move Carlo out to some sucker GM, they could acquire Kesselring and Byram from the Sabres for Knies. I still think Buffalo adds in this scenario. That would improve the TML back end a fair bit.

Knies is sort of of the "jewel in the crown" for Toronto's trade assets though, so you'd have to be pretty high on Byram.

Buffalo has outstanding wing depth.

Knies is good, what does he bring that they don't have in Doan and Benson already?

Especially with Kulich, Ostlund, and Helenius coming up.

If they move Byram (and that is ONLY if he wants to be moved), they will either get an absolute bounty of futures, a similar defensemen back (as moving him creates a hole we can't backfill immediately)+ picks, or use him in a package to get a top line center.

Knies solves no problems for the Sabres.

 

[TFHockey]

Buffalo has outstanding wing depth.

Knies is good, what does he bring that they don't have in Doan and Benson already?

Especially with Kulich, Ostlund, and Helenius coming up.

If they move Byram (and that is ONLY if he wants to be moved), they will either get an absolute bounty of futures, a similar defensemen back (as moving him creates a hole we can't backfill immediately)+ picks, or use him in a package to get a top line center.

Knies solves no problems for the Sabres.

Hey man, thanks for the insight

 

[AcerComputer]

Power>> Knies

I would not trade Knies for Power. Although I would prefer him over Byram. Would need a significant add, but don't see a fit. I'd build a package around Doan + Helenius + 26' 1st + something

 

[Gjman2019]

Toronto says no pretty easily IMO given Byram being a year from UFA and concussion history

Knies isn't going anywhere......Plenty of other ways you can upgrade the defense...

 

[BowieSabresFan]

I would not trade Knies for Power. Although I would prefer him over Byram. Would need a significant add, but don't see a fit. I'd build a package around Doan + Helenius + 26' 1st + something.

Do you want that "something" to be Dahlin? It's about as realistic as the rest of your post.

 

[toddkaz]

I would not trade Knies for Power. Although I would prefer him over Byram. Would need a significant add, but don't see a fit. I'd build a package around Doan + Helenius + 26' 1st + something

Why stop there? I mean we can throw in Ostlund too while we are at it.

 

[toddkaz]

Do you want that "something" to be Dahlin? It's about as realistic as the rest of your post.

At this point that poster has to be trolling. No one in their right mind that watches hockey could be that far off from player value.

I would not even trade Helenius straight up for Knies. He is a future 1C.

 

[Tarmore]

You know me? Like in person or just stalker? You seem to have taken an interest in me.

When will you go back to debating hockey and telling me what strawman argument I made?

LOL - I'll call you out if i see it.

 

[toddkaz]

LOL - I'll call you out if i see it

Yet you can't even tell me what I said that was strawman. Why is that?

I am happy I have a stalker fan though. Thanks!

 

[DJN21]

I would not trade Knies for Power. Although I would prefer him over Byram. Would need a significant add, but don't see a fit. I'd build a package around Doan + Helenius + 26' 1st + something

Im sure you would lol

 

[AcerComputer]

Do you want that "something" to be Dahlin? It's about as realistic as the rest of your post.

Why stop there? I mean we can throw in Ostlund too while we are at it.

He's the only untouchable on the team. Why would we trade trade a 23 year old player signed to a good contract, unless it's a worthwhile return. Where do you think Knies goes in a re-draft? How many players like Knies are there in the league? He's worth a lot more than Peterka, so why wouldn't he return more?

 

[BowieSabresFan]

He's the only untouchable on the team. Why would we trade trade a 23 year old player signed to a good contract, unless it's a worthwhile return. Where do you think Knies goes in a re-draft? How many players like Knies are there in the league? He's worth a lot more than Peterka, so why wouldn't he return more?

I don’t care if you believe Knies to be untouchable. That’s fine. The package you proposed the Sabres needed to pay for him is silly.

As a side note, I don’t believe the Sabres should be trading for Knies. He’s a nice young player, but also not as good as he’s being portrayed by a few Leafs posters in this thread.

 

[Tarmore]

Yet you can't even tell me what I said that was strawman. Why is that?

I am happy I have a stalker fan though. Thanks!

I absolutely did point out your attempt to start a the Strawman at the time and quoted it in my post as well.

 

[toddkaz]

I absolutely did point out your attempt to start a the Strawman at the time and quoted it in my post as well.

No you didn't. This is the 5th time I asked what I said that was stawman and you have obfuscated every time. Its cool, I am just glad to have fans.

 

[Tarmore]

I don’t care if you believe Knies to be untouchable. That’s fine. The package you proposed the Sabres needed to pay for him is silly.

As a side note, I don’t believe the Sabres should be trading for Knies. He’s a nice young player, but also not as good as he’s being portrayed by a few Leafs posters in this thread.

Well he is a good player (for the Leafs probably more important) the part I think that is causing a lot of confusion/being overlooked, is he is also the best contract on the Leafs currently.

So his value is accelerated x3 for Leaf fans and many Buffalo fans are comparing him to his basic hockey value. So you can see why there is a very large difference here.

 

[DJN21]

He's the only untouchable on the team. Why would we trade trade a 23 year old player signed to a good contract, unless it's a worthwhile return. Where do you think Knies goes in a re-draft? How many players like Knies are there in the league? He's worth a lot more than Peterka, so why wouldn't he return more?

You just asked for the exact same thing in Doan only you asked for 2-3 massive pluses on top....

 

[Chan790]

Not touching on value, this is the exact type of bad trade (for Toronto) that Jim Rutherford used to make when he was with Carolina...it patches one hole by immediately creating another one that then becomes the urgent need.

Is Byram the kind of target Toronto should be pursuing? Yes, but they need to make the move from an area of strength...not this.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

Well he is a good player (for the Leafs probably more important) the part I think that is causing a lot of confusion/being overlooked, is he is also the best contract on the Leafs currently.

So his value is accelerated x3 for Leaf fans and many Buffalo fans are comparing him to his basic hockey value. So you can see why there is a very large difference here.

That’s understandable, and I’m fine with Knies being valued highly by Leafs fans. He’s a fine young player. My biggest issue is the same people undervaluing Sabres players.

It’s a moot point, because this trade would not happen for a variety of reasons.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I'll second those that say Knies for Byram doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Buffalo. It opens up a huge hole on their blueline for yet another winger, albeit one with a pretty unique set of skills. The Sabres are bursting at the seams with forward talent and are already going to be forced to make some tough decisions on that front this offseason. They could probably use an established Center if they were able to swing a massive deal that consolidates picks, prospects etc for a top 6 guy or a Byram replacement if he doesn't want to re-sign in Buffalo, but this doesn't address either need. No need to squabble about the value of either player when it's simply a poor fit for Buffalo's needs.

 

[AcerComputer]

Not touching on value, this is the exact type of bad trade (for Toronto) that Jim Rutherford used to make when he was with Carolina...it patches one hole by immediately creating another one that then becomes the urgent need.

Is Byram the kind of target Toronto should be pursuing? Yes, but they need to make the move from an area of strength...not this.

My answer is no, unless it's a 2nd round pick.

 

[is the answer jesus]

My answer is no, unless it's a 2nd round pick.

How generous of you.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

I would not trade Knies for Power. Although I would prefer him over Byram. Would need a significant add, but don't see a fit. I'd build a package around Doan + Helenius + 26' 1st + something

Lmao, I actually had a good laugh at this. Anything else you'd like Buffalo to add? Maybe thier next three first rounds picks and Dahlin? Is this guy a comedian?