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Micklebot said:
Just because you say things a lot doesn't make it a valid point, Korpisalo has been bad in all but 3 of his 9 year career. Forsberg has 1 good season in the 4 he played more than 10 games.
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and just because I am saying it doesn't- also not make a valid point either then. Objectively it does make a point. Korpi has 4 good/great seasons out of 9 playing with an awful Team. Forsberg had 1 great season playing with US(any argument on how bad our defense has been in past 4 years?)

There has to be a connection that both goalies, in the same year, playing behind the same defense, are well below their career SA%? At, least there has to be a partial connection?
 

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In this game:

HDCF 13 to 4
SCF 29 to 11

We're tripling them in quality chances, and they are tripling us on the score board.
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I wonder what the average HDCA is at the end of two periods. We’ve only given up 4 but I bet some would say we’ve been a disaster defensively this game.
 
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Still trying to figure out why fans are starting to bail. It's a real brainbuster.

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You've only got yourself to blame buddy

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Middle of the pack is middle of the pack and the goaltending should follow suit. But it doesn’t. It’s way worse than our team defence is.

Which is middle of the pack. I’m sure you didn’t expect me to say it was middle of the pack

HALF the league makes the playoffs lol what do you mean compare that to playoff teams?
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Actually i expected us to be around 20th, and no I am not surprised that we are at the middle of the pack because JM has focused a lot of the defensive structure. If we are still at the middle of the pack with just DJ;s games then I'd be surprised

That is why i wanted to compare only DJ games vs overall games and then compare it with the playoff Teams.

Another question for you related to this topic. Which games do to think we have lost due to just goaltending in past 10 games, or even going all the way back to JM's first game?
 
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It's always darkest before the dawn.
A strong off-season retool including beefing up the D, and another vet or 2 to support the the young guys.

Imo if we can get guys clearing the net to reduce all these tipped screened pucks, we can help any goalie we have.
 
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Both the 2nd and 3rd goal against were vintage Sens Dzone lack of coverage.... they are all back in the picture now.. which is good but they are just poor defensively. No one is tying up a man .. they puck watch and let guys behind them. When you defend you have to look around and look behind you.

And the entire sequence usually starts with a give away in the dzone.
 
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Actually i expected us to be around 20th, and no I am not surprised that we are at the middle of the pack because JM has focused a lot of the defensive structure. If we are still at the middle of the pack with just DJ;s games then I'd be surprised

That is why i wanted to compare only DJ games vs overall games and then compare it with the playoff Teams.

Another question for you related to this topic. Which games do to think we have lost due to just goaltending in past 10 games, or even going all the way back to JM's first game?
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The HDCA was a whole season thing. Not just under Jacques.

The goalies haven’t been good under Jacques Martin either tho? So I don’t know what you’re trying to figure out there.

If you think JM brought those number waaayyy down from the terrible DJ smith hockey then we should legit be elite definitively under Jacques. And the goalies have STILL not been good under Jacques.

Off the top of my head. Now I don’t know if it was ten games but Washington. Then the Nashville game then we sagged in the third after the Norris injury. (Now I could be mistaken with the games).
Then at home against phoenix when Vejmelka outplayed whoever was in nets again.

Against Carolina we went into the third 3-2 and former let in two absolute stinkers right at the start of the period.

And now you can say “well in the OT wins the goalies played well”. And you’d be right. But that’s not the norm this season. And we had to fight back mentally from korpisalo letting in a patented stinker lol
 
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Actually i expected us to be around 20th, and no I am not surprised that we are at the middle of the pack because JM has focused a lot of the defensive structure. If we are still at the middle of the pack with just DJ;s games then I'd be surprised

That is why i wanted to compare only DJ games vs overall games and then compare it with the playoff Teams.

Another question for you related to this topic. Which games do to think we have lost due to just goaltending in past 10 games, or even going all the way back to JM's first game?
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You can go look up those stats.

What you'll find is it's pretty hard to make any kind of statistical case that with average goaltending we'd be anything other than average or better than average defensively.

Either coach. The numbers are pretty similar. All around play is good enough to win with some consistency but the goaltending hasn't allowed it
 
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and just because I am saying it doesn't- also not make a valid point either then. Objectively it does make a point. Korpi has 4 good/great seasons out of 9 playing with an awful Team. Forsberg had 1 great season playing with US(any argument on how bad our defense has been in past 4 years?)

There has to be a connection that both goalies, in the same year, playing behind the same defense, are well below their career SA%? At, least there has to be a partial connection?
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There is a connection, they are both not very good, Forsberg is a career backup we picked up of waivers, Korpisalo has never once in his career been good enough to play a full starters load, there;s a reason why neither of these guys have stuck around as a starter anywhere. There's a reason LA bailed on him despite him having good numbers in a small sample for them.

I mean, you only need to watch the games to see how bad they've actually been, but it can also be backed up by the numbers;

Korpisalo is 94th out of 94 in Low danger Goals saved above average and 84th in Low danger sv%, Forsberg is 72nd in LDGSAA and 68th in low danger sv%. We're not even talking about high quality chances here,
 
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Not a fan of McLellan, hope we don’t hire him.
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He deserves a shot. If he's interested. Be nice to have a choice between 3-4 coaches with NHL head coaching experience that had some success at it,
I have not heard a name mentioned that I would not want ahead of Gruden and that includes Chris Kelly.
 
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He deserves a shot. If he's interested. Be nice to have a choice between 3-4 coaches with NHL head coaching experience that had some success at it,
I have not heard a name mentioned that I would not want ahead of Gruden and that includes Chris Kelly.
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If we're going rookie coach again i wouldn't mind Kelly
 
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Actually i expected us to be around 20th, and no I am not surprised that we are at the middle of the pack because JM has focused a lot of the defensive structure. If we are still at the middle of the pack with just DJ;s games then I'd be surprised

That is why i wanted to compare only DJ games vs overall games and then compare it with the playoff Teams.

Another question for you related to this topic. Which games do to think we have lost due to just goaltending in past 10 games, or even going all the way back to JM's first game?
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HDCA/60 under DJ was 11.54 and it is 11.46 under Martin, not a big difference
 
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