Proposal: Blues-Rangers

[Kanneda]

Klein+Lindberg+2nd/prospect for Shattenkirk

We would lose Klein anyway in the expansion draft, so if we do this trade we would get better for this season, and also have time to negotiate a resign with Shattenkirk. The ideal scenario is if we could expose him and then sign him in July 1st.
St Louis also finds a way to trade his UFA and still have one of the best D groups in the league. They are using Shattenkirk in the third pair, and Klein plays more than well there, can play in any other pair and has a low cap hit and term.
They could even protect Klein if he works well for them. Or at least be able to keep 2 of Klein, Gunnarson and Edmundson.

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[slg1963]

We would have to protect Shatts or risk losing him but im all for this trade .

 

[Allan92]

This is a good deal for the Rangers and a decent return for St. Louis

 

[5cotland]

I think this deal is over-payment from NYR. Only because St Louis have put themselves in a tough situation where they will either lose Shattenkirk for nothing or be forced to accept a deal that will get them a reduced return as it will be for a rental.

I think NYR could still keep the 2nd round pick. Its not essential to overpay for Shattenkirk liek we did for Staal last year. We were stupid not to trade Yandle.

 

[Frenzy31]

Klein+Lindberg+2nd/prospect for Shattenkirk

We would lose Klein anyway in the expansion draft, so if we do this trade we would get better for this season, and also have time to negotiate a resign with Shattenkirk. The ideal scenario is if we could expose him and then sign him in July 1st.
St Louis also finds a way to trade his UFA and still have one of the best D groups in the league. They are using Shattenkirk in the third pair, and Klein plays more than well there, can play in any other pair and has a low cap hit and term.
They could even protect Klein if he works well for them. Or at least be able to keep 2 of Klein, Gunnarson and Edmundson.

So the Blues down grade their D for a guy they would expose, a dime a dozen prospect and a 2nd.

Yeah. No thanks.

We could just hold on to him all year and get a 3rd and a 5th in the offseason. It would allow us to have him in the playoffs and really give us a similar return to what is offered.

 

[5cotland]

So the Blues down grade their D for a guy they would expose, a dime a dozen prospect and a 2nd.

Yeah. No thanks.

We could just hold on to him all year and get a 3rd and a 5th in the offseason. It would allow us to have him in the playoffs and really give us a similar return to what is offered.

Its a very difficult trade to make because so many teams will be cautious of the expansion draft and wouldn't to add a player that would risk exposure or that would expose one of their 'better' players.

I think Blues will make a loss on him and he will go to FA. You wont get any picks for rights I don't think.

 

[Kanneda]

I think this deal is over-payment from NYR. Only because St Louis have put themselves in a tough situation where they will either lose Shattenkirk for nothing or be forced to accept a deal that will get them a reduced return as it will be for a rental.

I think NYR could still keep the 2nd round pick. Its not essential to overpay for Shattenkirk liek we did for Staal last year. We were stupid not to trade Yandle.

But I think all the contending teams will ask for him, he's the best Dman available for the deadline. All the league could use a D of his type.
Also, I don't see it as an overpayment, we'd not lose any of the roster pieces that are working so well now, and replace Klein with Shattenkirk.

 

[Kanneda]

So the Blues down grade their D for a guy they would expose, a dime a dozen prospect and a 2nd.

Yeah. No thanks.

We could just hold on to him all year and get a 3rd and a 5th in the offseason. It would allow us to have him in the playoffs and really give us a similar return to what is offered.

That's what we did with Yandle and feels like **** now...
Also Lindberg is an NHL player, not a prospect. He centered our 3rd line last year, now he missed all the training camp because of a summer surgery and has lost his spot.

 

[trick9]

Not a very good trade for Blues.

 

[Alklha]

The Blues could get a better return at the trade deadline for him as a rental.

As for the pieces, Klein does absolutely nothing for the Blues. Wouldn't have any interest at all considering we have Bouwmeester, Gunnarsson and Edmundson on the left. If we're looking for an upgrade on third pairing, we won't be using Shattenkirk to get it.

 

[bleedblue1223]

We'd get more at the trade deadline for potentially the best rental on the market.

 

[Kanneda]

The Blues could get a better return at the trade deadline for him as a rental.

As for the pieces, Klein does absolutely nothing for the Blues. Wouldn't have any interest at all considering we have Bouwmeester, Gunnarsson and Edmundson on the left. If we're looking for an upgrade on third pairing, we won't be using Shattenkirk to get it.

Klein is right handed. The maximum return you'll get for Shattenkirk is 1st + good prospect, but that makes your team for this year's playoff a lot worse. You'll have a hard time finding another contender that's willing to give you roster players for him.
So what will probably happen is that you won't trade him and lose him on the FA, because with Parayko and Pietrangelo ahead of him, he'll prefer to find another team.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

The Blues could get a better return at the trade deadline for him as a rental.

As for the pieces, Klein does absolutely nothing for the Blues. Wouldn't have any interest at all considering we have Bouwmeester, Gunnarsson and Edmundson on the left. If we're looking for an upgrade on third pairing, we won't be using Shattenkirk to get it.

Fair enough if you don't like the deal, but Klein is right handed and plays the right side, he's in there to replace Shattenkirk in the lineup and make the $ work presumably.

 

[Alklha]

Klein is right handed. The maximum return you'll get for Shattenkirk is 1st + good prospect, but that makes your team for this year's playoff a lot worse. You'll have a hard time finding another contender that's willing to give you roster players for him.
So what will probably happen is that you won't trade him and lose him on the FA, because with Parayko and Pietrangelo ahead of him, he'll prefer to find another team.

No idea why I was thinking lefty.

I'm not sure what point you're making here. You say that dealing Shattenkirk for a 1st & a decent prospect makes our team worse going into the playoffs, which is true. However, the OP isn't exactly helping much. We'll have Bortuzzo and Schmaltz for RHD, and Klein is an upgrade on them but it isn't exactly worth it. Particularly when we'd have no use for him next season; Schmaltz will be ready and we wouldn't be able to protect Klein in the expansion draft.

The entire Shattenkirk situation has been horribly mismanaged, yet again, by Armstrong. You're absolutely right that we'll struggle to get teams willing to part with a roster player for him at the deadline... but we aren't there yet. I still think Boston are going to end up trading for him. And get him relatively cheap.

 

[Dijock94]

The Blues could get a better return at the trade deadline for him as a rental.

As for the pieces, Klein does absolutely nothing for the Blues. Wouldn't have any interest at all considering we have Bouwmeester, Gunnarsson and Edmundson on the left. If we're looking for an upgrade on third pairing, we won't be using Shattenkirk to get it.

Klein is a RHD

Realized this has been mentioned I apologize

 

[Gardner McKay]

No reason for the Blues to do this now. Unless they are a bubble team or out of it come trade deadline (don't see it happening), Shattenkirk isn't going anywhere and his rights will be traded.

If he does get traded, it will take more than the package offered. With that being said I am not comfortable giving up much more than that.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If we want best for Cup run, we keep Shattenkirk. If we want to move him, it will be for best rental package, not a hybrid of basically crap.

There's no defending Army for how this played out, he really screwed it up.

 

[Doriva]

Klein is being seriously underrated here, he's been our best D-man for long stretches of the past few seasons, the marginal upgrade to Shattenkirk is not worth investing the future into when our prospect pool is pretty much empty.
If it were a deal to go all in and keep both Shattenkirk and Klein for a run this season then I'd be more into it, but doing the OP still leaves us with the same Girardi problem.

 

[SirPaste]

If we want best for Cup run, we keep Shattenkirk. If we want to move him, it will be for best rental package, not a hybrid of basically crap.

There's no defending Army for how this played out, he really screwed it up.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts

 

[stl76]

As a Blues fan I would much rather keep Shattenkirk for the playoffs and lose him to FA then accept this package as a return.

Klein is being seriously underrated here, he's been our best D-man for long stretches of the past few seasons, the marginal upgrade to Shattenkirk is not worth investing the future into when our prospect pool is pretty much empty.
If it were a deal to go all in and keep both Shattenkirk and Klein for a run this season then I'd be more into it, but doing the OP still leaves us with the same Girardi problem.

 

[WesMcCauley]

If we want best for Cup run, we keep Shattenkirk. If we want to move him, it will be for best rental package, not a hybrid of basically crap.

There's no defending Army for how this played out, he really screwed it up.

Lol cmon... im not saying i think you should make the trade but Klein is crap? Thats ridicolous! Lindberg is still on his elc, scored 28 points in 68 games last season in his first year in the NHL. He isnt bad at all, good twoway player!

 

[SteenMachine]

One sided trade based on the idea that the Blues don't deserve anything because they won't re-sign him as a UFA. Weak stuff.

 

[Kakko]

As a Rangers fan, I think the Blues could get more than that

 

[bleedblue1223]

Lol cmon... im not saying i think you should make the trade but Klein is crap? Thats ridicolous! Lindberg is still on his elc, scored 28 points in 68 games last season in his first year in the NHL. He isnt bad at all, good twoway player!

Lindberg had a hot streak to his career and then hasn't produced much, he is a 4th liner. Klein doesn't offer us value in short or long term. We have internal Shattenkirk replacements that are ready or almost ready. We don't need Klein for a 3rd pairing role. A 2nd is a 2nd. It's a terrible offer.

Gunnarsson+Jaskin+2nd...

 

[MissouriMook]

If we want best for Cup run, we keep Shattenkirk. If we want to move him, it will be for best rental package, not a hybrid of basically crap.

There's no defending Army for how this played out, he really screwed it up.

There is still time to salvage a deal that benefits the club, but it's not the type of deal I think Army has the stomach for. He can still theoretically trade Shattenkirk in early to mid-February for futures, then trade those futures (or substitute our own) for help up front. Unfortunately, Army likes his "hockey trades" and he is unlikely to find a good one at the TDL that returns an asset we actually need.