Post-Game Talk: Blues 7 - Jets 2, Jets lead series 2-1

[FlyerNutter]

I guess your choosing to ignore building a perennial playoff team, president's Trophy winner, Avs all the masterful deals he's pulled off? Not to mention doing it all while retaining a lot of talent in the smallest least desirable market in the league?

I don't think many realize how bad it could be. Just look around at some of the other teams in this league, many who've been dealt a much stronger hand than us.

He’s done an okay job, but they’ve been a strong regular season performer - and a major disappointment come playoff time since the Nashville/Vegas run.

This window slams shut when 55, 81, and Helle continue to age. All have high mileage, especially 55.

I want a guy that can push them over the top.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

No. Demelo didn't play in this one and, imo, his absence and how the coaches handled the d-pairing (Schenn and Stanley, c'mon) contributed mightily to the poor performance.

They should have just put Miller up with JMo, left the other two pairs alone and called it a day.

 

[raideralex99]

He’s done an okay job, but they’ve been a strong regular season performer - and a major disappointment come playoff time since the Nashville/Vegas run.

This window slams shut when 55, 81, and Helle continue to age. All have high mileage, especially 55.

I want a guy that can push them over the top.

Scheifele is health nut he watching what he puts into his body ... those type of athletes have a long career.
Jets have never won a playoff game without Scheifele. Scheifele and KFC are responsible for the 2 wins.
Its a team sport do you really expect Scheifele to win all the Jets games?
The best hockey player in the World can't push his team over the top... just ask McDavid.

 

[AnonoJet]

Pucks have infrared sensors in them that are tracked by cameras. They should be able to easily identify where a puck is by maping where that signature is on plays like this. They don't need to look through meshing or what not.

This was discussed on tv last night. Where it was said that the tech to do this, is being worked on, but it’s not there yet. The current use case does not need the accuracy that doing this would require. Cute conspiracy theory, with no facts to back it up.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

A friend and I were talking about Hellebuyck before game #3, and he was saying that Hellebuyck is playing too deep in his net. And you look at some of the goals in this series, and he's giving up a lot of net, in spite of his frame. What do you think?

Yep and Henrik "King" Lundqvist has said so, too.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Scheifele is health nut he watching what he puts into his body ... those type of athletes have a long career.
Jets have never won a playoff game without Scheifele. Scheifele and KFC are responsible for the 2 wins.
Its a team sport do you really expect Scheifele to win all the Jets games?
The best hockey player in the World can't push his team over the top... just ask McDavid.

You’re not telling me anything I disagree with.

What I am saying is they have needed to be more aggressive for a while now with filling that 2C hole in particular.

They are throwing years away from this core. The guys you mention, need more help than Namestnikov, Lowry, and Nino. Relying on Ehlers to stay healthy at this point is foolish.

It’s frustrating to see the same flaws year after year. Shut down 55, and 81 it’s easy.

 

[PhilJets]

Out scored, out shot, out hit, out goalie’d, out coached, out reff’d,

we out penalty them Sip !!!

 

[surixon]

This was discussed on tv last night. Where it was said that the tech to do this, is being worked on, but it’s not there yet. The current use case does not need the accuracy that doing this would require. Cute conspiracy theory, with no facts to back it up.

The facts are cited on the NHL edge site. They clearly use it to accurately track shot location, shot speed etc.

"The NHL has spent the past decade exploring new tech to gather new data. Puck and Player Tracking became fully operational in 2021-22, with up to 20 cameras in each arena and infrared emitters in each puck and sweater. The cameras detect infrared signals from the pucks up to 60 times per second and the players up to 15 times per second, generating millions of raw location data points."

NHL EDGE website provides Puck and Player Tracking data to fans | NHL.com

New home for curated data will give information ‘traditional statistics have never told you’

www.nhl.com

So your telling me they don't have the technology with tracking the data points 60 times per second that they don't know exactly where the puck is at all times?

 

[Hobble]

I've been trying to ignore this site all day and reset mentally but just a friendly reminder vasilevskiys save% is even worse than helle. To me its not goaltending, the blues have just come out more ready to play from the first puckdrop, and our counter is trying to shell up defensively. Gotta go take the puck and finish your checks, take your man out of the play instead of allowing so many high quality chances from in close. Identify the weakest link force them to play it to them and attack

Yeah, after some time, it’s hard to blame Helle overall because the team did not show up in front of him. At all.

The players need to be held accountable for that and give their balls a tug before Sunday.

 

[mondo3]

I'm expecting the Blues to come out hard again next game. If we can keep them to just a 1 goal lead after the first, I think we'll come back and win.

 

[surixon]

Yeah, after some time, it’s hard to blame Helle overall because the team did not show up in front of him. At all.

The players need to be held accountable for that and give their balls a tug before Sunday.

Helle is still accountable for his own performance and he's not been near as good as he is in the regular season going on three years now.

Yes the team shit the bed as well last night and last year. But they went out and won him game 1 when he was also sub par.

The players need to gwt back to game 1 and 2 levels but Helle needs to find his vezina form. That isn't on the team that is on him.

 

[AnonoJet]

The facts are cited on the NHL edge site. They clearly use it to accurately track shot location, shot speed etc.

"The NHL has spent the past decade exploring new tech to gather new data. Puck and Player Tracking became fully operational in 2021-22, with up to 20 cameras in each arena and infrared emitters in each puck and sweater. The cameras detect infrared signals from the pucks up to 60 times per second and the players up to 15 times per second, generating millions of raw location data points."

NHL EDGE website provides Puck and Player Tracking data to fans | NHL.com

New home for curated data will give information ‘traditional statistics have never told you’

www.nhl.com

So your telling me they don't have the technology with tracking the data points 60 times per second that they don't know exactly where the puck is at all times?

What’s missing is existing location accuracy. In the current use cases, if it’s a few mm off, it won’t matter. It does in deciding if the entire puck is across the goal line.

 

[surixon]

What’s missing is existing location accuracy. In the current use cases, if it’s a few mm off, it won’t matter. It does in deciding if the entire puck is across the goal line.

Still way better then the inherent bias and error of the human eye. I'll take an error range of a couple of mm which is negligable any day over human error and trying to look through pads and gloves.

 

[raideralex99]

Wel well well this explains the Jets performance ... the Oilers have never been the same after he practiced with them.

 

[AnonoJet]

Still way better than the inherent bias and error of the human eye. I'll take an error range of a couple of mm which is negligable any day over human error and trying to look through pads and gloves.

We don’t know if it’s a couple or 10+. The existing use cases don’t need the same accuracy. I think if it was acceptable now, they would use it. Did you see Friedman discuss this last night?

 

[jungles]

Sens must win at home. Toronto wins.
Montreal must win at home. Tied after 1.
Blues must win at home. Jets completely dismembered.

Yes, the Blues were desperate, but we are supposed to be the best team in the league.

I need to get to Sunday faster...

 

[PhilJets]

Jets should not think about road to 16 wins..

They should focus on road to 4 wins 1st

I see on the Winnipeg site 16 circle for check.
Though its practically aame for any other stanley cup playoff team.

 

[raideralex99]

You’re not telling me anything I disagree with.

What I am saying is they have needed to be more aggressive for a while now with filling that 2C hole in particular.

They are throwing years away from this core. The guys you mention, need more help than Namestnikov, Lowry, and Nino. Relying on Ehlers to stay healthy at this point is foolish.

It’s frustrating to see the same flaws year after year. Shut down 55, and 81 it’s easy.

2C are not that easy to get.
While everyone thinks Chevy won the PLD trade ... that's the going rate to get a good centef a top 6 winger and a couple of bottom 6 players who were cap casualties.
If PLD wasn't a jerk and still a Jet would the Jets be in a better position today?

 

[surixon]

We don’t know if it’s a couple or 10+. I think if it was acceptable now, they would use it. Did you see Friedman discuss this last night?

This league is so resistant to change and taking decisions out of the refs hands that I wouldn't put it past them not using existing technology to its full extent possible. Look how long it took soccer to switch to goal line technology for an example of this. It took some brutally missed goals in some crucially important games to get them to wake up and adopt it. They resisted it for years. This technology isn't new, it's been around in sports like tennis for ages.

No I didn't watch it but he's going to say what the league who botched the call spoon fed him to say about it.

 

[jungles]

2C are not that easy to get.
While everyone thinks Chevy won the PLD trade ... that's the going rate to get a good cente a top 6 winger and a couple of bottom 6 players who were cap casualties.
If PLD wasn't a jerk and still a Jet would the Jets be in a better position today?

Depends.
Do we have Columbus PLD? First year Jet PLD? Last year Jet PLD? LA PLD? Or Washington PLD?

 

[cbcwpg]

Frank Seravalli: I definitely have some real question marks about Connor Hellebuyck. Think about the way game one started: three goals on 10 shots. Think about last night; it was just kind of the exclamation point for Pavel Buchnevich scoring that hat trick and the way that he did it, basically picking Hellebuyck’s pocket behind the net and putting it in the empty cage. I don’t know what, if anything, you can draw from that other than to say that Connor Hellebuyck just doesn’t look like himself.

I don’t know if that’s the pressure of the moment or the failures of their last few playoffs, but this is the best goalie in the world, as a lot of people see it…I mean, the Jets are good enough to beat the Blues without Hellebuyck being a world-beater, but I don’t think they can go much further than that if he’s not playing at a level that’s commensurate to what we think he is. Like, you’re not even close to league average. So, that part is the biggest concern for me moving forward. It’s not that I don’t think that the Jets can’t beat the Blues. I just think that they need to stop beating themselves.

 

[AnonoJet]

This league is so resistant to change and taking decisions out of the refs hands that I wouldn't put it past them not using existing technology to its full extent possible. Look how long it took soccer to switch to goal line technology for an example of this. It took some brutally missed goals in some crucially important games to get them to wake up and adopt it. They resisted it for years. This technology isn't new, it's been around in sports like tennis for ages.

No I didn't watch it but he's going to say what the league who botched the call spoon fed him to say about it.

So you think the league told him to say it was a goal? Cause that is what he said. He also came out in favor of using tech to make the calls. I’m for it too. But I disagree with your assertion, that they could use the existing system to accomplish this. And then cloaking it in conspiracy theory language.

 

[AnonoJet]

Sevaralli says that Helle does not look like himself. Unfortunately he looks exactly like his playoff self.

 

[JetsFan815]

2C are not that easy to get.
While everyone thinks Chevy won the PLD trade ... that's the going rate to get a good centef a top 6 winger and a couple of bottom 6 players who were cap casualties.
If PLD wasn't a jerk and still a Jet would the Jets be in a better position today?

PLD literally almost singlehandedly nearly made me hate watching the Jets towards the end of his run. And by all accounts his run with LA was similar, I read LA fans at the end of last season threatening to not support the team while he was on so I don't he changed for the better. So I am glad to be rid of him.

 

[raideralex99]

PLD literally almost singlehandedly nearly made me hate watching the Jets towards the end of his run. And by all accounts his run with LA was similar, I read LA fans at the end of last season threatening to not support the team while he was on so I don't he changed for the better. So I am glad to be rid of him.

I totally agree he did not fit on the Jets or LA but its like he finally figured it out once he got traded to Washington. Let's see how long it lasts or maybe he has changed.