Post-Game Talk: - Blues 5 - Jets 2 Series tied at 3 | Page 18 | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League

Post-Game Talk: Blues 5 - Jets 2 Series tied at 3

Status
Not open for further replies.
and maybe had we had league average in those games and it didn't become out of reach we would have generated more offense and won those games, it's like we ignore all context to what actually happened during the game and focus on the end result...
Exactly this, there is a cause and effect for everything. Maybe if Helle gives us that extra one or two saves the Blues get frustrated and the Jets capitalize on that. Maybe the boys get fired up and start moving their feet more, being more decisive and generating more chances.

Blood in the water is a perfect way to describe momentum and how it affects teams.
 
it's almost like when a team is missing two top 6 forwards for 5 games then their #1 center for the six they will need to win some low scoring games, which is impossible to do when your goalie is giving up weak goals every game that is close...

it's not helle is playing average and were needing him to be a hart level goalie, it's that he's playing awful and we need him to be just average

to quote a stat from reddit "It's the 6th worst save % in a series in NHL history. 4 of those worse were against the 80s Islanders and Oilers dynasties, and the one that isn't was against the Gretzky-led Kings in 1993 en route to the Cup Final."
Helle has not been good.

Reddit is where you go to find quotes by anyone about anything. Having said that, his sv% is terrible and those statements sound probable.

Doesn't change anything that I have said here.

Look lets just move on and agree to disagree. . You put 100% of the Jets performance on Helle's sv%, including suppression of our offense. That's not how hockey works. There is no discussion to be had here.
 
This doesn't take into account that the team is playing from behind, often by multiple goals in all these games due to that shoddy tending.
I know Garret played at a fairly high level, which begs the question: was he clueless about this stuff when he was playing, did he forget, or is he conveniently leaving out context to generate clicks and business?
 
Helle has not been good.

Reddit is where you go to find quotes by anyone about anything. Having said that, his sv% is terrible and those statements sound probable.

Doesn't change anything that I have said here.

Look lets just move on and agree to disagree. . You put 100% of the Jets performance on Helle's sv%, including suppression of our offense. That's not how hockey works. There is no discussion to be had here.
lol.. if you think a team with a 3 time vezina level goaltender should have to score 5+ goals a game to win with 2 top 6 forwards out of the line up, then yes there is no discussion to be had...

teams are capable of winning games 2-1//3-2 just not when their goalie is gifting 2 goals a game

game 4-6 were 1-1 half way thru the game until some weak goals went in and pretty much ended the game right then and there
 
I'll pile on as a Debbie Downer, here.

Of course I'll cheer on the boys and hope they win game seven, but logically, for what?

If we can't get even average goaltending against and average offense, what shot will we have against a team like Colorado, Vegas or Edmonton?

The bigger concern I have is we have this pumpkin signed for 7 more years.

Oh well, I have cruises booked over the next couple of months, I guess I won't have to worry about missing games.

We win because the future is uncertain for his yips. Helle over a huge sample size is one of the greats. In the playoffs he has some sort of mental block. I don’t think it would be unreasonable to think that flow against his talent would have an end point. He has all the talent in the world to get on a role. You win to give him a shot to play his way out of it.
 
Helle has not been good.

Reddit is where you go to find quotes by anyone about anything. Having said that, his sv% is terrible and those statements sound probable.

Doesn't change anything that I have said here.

Look lets just move on and agree to disagree. . You put 100% of the Jets performance on Helle's sv%, including suppression of our offense. That's not how hockey works. There is no discussion to be had here.
Look at the collection of offensive, defensive and goaltending stats regular season vs post season

What areas have the largest differentials, per game or per 60

The offense has been missing ehlers, Vilardi and Scheifele last night. Do you expect then to score 6+ in the Ls?
 
Lots of talk about physical, hard and sometimes dirty play by the Blues -which I generally agree with. Not concerned about finishing checks hard and marginal interference plays to be disruptive but moreso the clear late hits into the boards, the charging and the so-called interference hits where the victim doesn`t even have the puck and is blind-sided, all with intent to hurt. But man, have you watched our own forwards try to reciprocate - lots of energy but seldom timed well and poorly executed. Have we really assembled an entire team of forwards that have never been taught HOW to make a hurtful hit during the play, or, is this just something that our guys are not hard wired to do?

I personally do not favor this type of hockey but I can`t imagine being on a team that reacts so passively to over the top aggressive plays and even targeting, with no response at all.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Duke749
We win because the future is uncertain for his yips. Helle over a huge sample size is one of the greats. In the playoffs he has some sort of mental block. I don’t think it would be unreasonable to think that flow against his talent would have an end point. He has all the talent in the world to get on a role. You win to give him a shot to play his way out of it.
I keep hoping for it
 
Maybe if they played on the road like they did at home it wouldn't matter.

Maybe if you didn't specifically say league average goaltending right before the post wouldn't have fit so well.

Maybe, when games get out of reach is when teams who are losing tend to start to catch up, not mentally collapse like they have.

Luckily we have home ice throughout, so just have to go 12-0 at home and we're golden.
13-0 at home.
We need game 7 and then all of our home games in Rounds 2, 3 & 4.

It would be quite a ridiculous story if we some how pulled that off.
Totally get owned on the road.
But win every home game and win the cup.
It would be one of the strangest stories in the history of sports.
 
Tough matchup. Neither Dallas or Colorado are overly physical teams. Minnesota would have been grittier. Calgary might have been worse although I don't think their coach would be as predatory.

A lot of people on here saw the Blues as an easy out. I didn't think they would be.

Get to the playoffs and it's who can grind it out. Make fewer mistakes. Who can adjust to what other teams are trying to do. I think Arniel has done well with this team. He's not the one who made them fragile in close games. That's the players on the ice. But he's had them prepared for the next game.
I agree with their moron coach being predatory. It is actually reprehensible but what is more reprehensible is the Jets are not fighting fire with fire especially when down by 4 goals.

I said all along this is not a playoff team. The blues are unlikely to be able to crash and bang like this for another 7 game series.

I also agree Arniel has the pulse of this team and pushed the right buttons after the 2 blow out losses. We will see if it works tomorrow ✈️
 
I know Garret played at a fairly high level, which begs the question: was he clueless about this stuff when he was playing, did he forget, or is he conveniently leaving out context to generate clicks and business?
He didn't play at a high level. He doesn't offer much insight
 
  • Like
Reactions: Buffdog
I think some of you are sleeping on how bad a .750 save percentage on the road is. For every 12 shots, Helle is letting in 3 goals instead of his normal 1.

Totally fair.

I would argue that the net front presence the Blues have been able to establish is not typically a norm that you see so much in the regular season.

They deserve full credit for that. Most teams would struggle with the game St Louis has been able to bring.

The fact that the Jets haven’t been able to establish enough zone time themselves has allowed the Blues to do what they do best.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LowLefty
It's too bad more people don't know how Helle grew up around hockey.
You should hear some stories from his father Chuck Hellebuyck about how Helle learned to play and wanted to be a goalie ... he even surprise him. Yes this was from previous years not now and I couldn't even believe it myself ... that's why I have so much respect for Connor.
I'll tell you one story ... they went to the hockey shop to buy goalie equipment and instead of checking out the goalie equipment first ... he was checking out all the curves on the sticks and was trying to figure out what the puck movement would be on the different styles. Now remember this is a 12 year thinking ... who does that at that age?
I see all the jokes about him reading books on hockey and making fun of him but its actually true that's how dedicate he is.
Well Bones has faith in Helle to bounce back.
 
Lots of talk about physical, hard and sometimes dirty play by the Blues -which I generally agree with. Not concerned about finishing checks hard and marginal interference plays to be disruptive but moreso the clear late hits into the boards, the charging and the so-called interference hits where the victim doesn`t even have the puck and is blind-sided, all with intent to hurt. But man, have you watched our own forwards try to reciprocate - lots of energy but seldom timed well and poorly executed. Have we really assembled an entire team of forwards that have never been taught HOW to make a hurtful hit during the play, or, is this just something that our guys are not hard wired to do?

I personally do not favor this type of hockey but I can`t imagine being on a team that reacts so passively to over the top aggressive plays and even targeting, with no response at all.

I mean every time players on this team have tried to do something to stand up for it they have winded up in the box.

Hard to resort to it when your afraid to put your team short handed.

I blame the refs more then the players here. They have been allowing the Blues to play there thug game all series with limited repercussions while singling our players out in srums and for trying to stick up for ourselves.
 
It's too bad more people don't know how Helle grew up around hockey.
You should hear some stories from his father Chuck Hellebuyck about how Helle learned to play and wanted to be a goalie ... he even surprise him. Yes this was from previous years not now and I couldn't even believe it myself ... that's why I have so much respect for Connor.
I'll tell you one story ... they went to the hockey shop to buy goalie equipment and instead of checking out the goalie equipment first ... he was checking out all the curves on the sticks and was trying to figure out what the puck movement would be on the different styles. Now remember this is a 12 year thinking ... who does that at that age?
I see all the jokes about him reading books on hockey and making fun of him but its actually true that's how dedicate he is.
Well Bones has faith in Helle to bounce back.


I don't question his dedication and how he's built himself to where he's gotten to. What he's done has worked to get him to the pinnacle of his position. Hats off to him for it.

What he needs to do now is figure out what he needs to do to bring that play in the post season as what he's done the last few years isn't working.
 
I mean every time players on this team have tried to do something to stand up for it they have winded up in the box.

Hard to resort to it when your afraid to put your team short handed.

I blame the refs more then the players here. They have been allowing the Blues to play there thug game all series with limited repercussions while singling our players out in srums and for trying to stick up for ourselves.
I agree the refs are making it hard for the guys to get involved
But when you're taking penalties anyway, I'm surprised the coach or the players themselves, have decided to let this stuff go -
IMO, most teams wouldn't - they are running our best players with what appears to be intent to injure - usually the guys are amped up enough (especially PO hockey) that they will blow a fuse when that happens regardless of what they are told or personally feel.

But in the end, and regardless of how it plays out, I also blame the refs.
 
I know Garret played at a fairly high level, which begs the question: was he clueless about this stuff when he was playing, did he forget, or is he conveniently leaving out context to generate clicks and business?
He just gets an idea in his head then selects data to support his narrative. It's the complete opposite of what an "evidence informed" type would do, but it's all too common in every field

When teams get down, they tend to cheat and take chances for offense... which in turn leads to more shots and chances against. Even the starsnerds know this and have "score adjusted" numbers
 
I agree the refs are making it hard for the guys to get involved
But when you're taking penalties anyway, I'm surprised the coach or the players themselves, have decided to let this stuff go -
IMO, most teams wouldn't - they are running our best players with what appears to be intent to injure - usually the guys are amped up enough (especially PO hockey) that they will blow a fuse when that happens regardless of what they are told or personally feel.

But in the end, and regardless of how it plays out, I also blame the refs.

We also don't really have many cheap hit types of this team. Hard to get players to play on that edge physically when that's not there natural game.

We could definitely have used a Dillion type on d and Wilson type upfront this series.

But yeah it may have made sense in a couple of those games when we were getting blown out for someone to say f*** it and go around looking to pop their star players. But too late for that now as we can't afford to look to settle scores in tomorrow's winner takes all game.
 
We also don't really have many cheap hit types of this team. Hard to get players to play on that edge physically when that's not there natural game.

We could definitely have used a Dillion type on d and Wilson type upfront this series.

But yeah it may have made sense in a couple of those games when we were getting blown out for someone to say f*** it and go around looking to pop their star players. But too late for that now as we can't afford to look to settle scores in tomorrow's winner takes all game.
I agree - we need a Dillon or two - I miss that player
 
My lineup for tomorrow if 55 is good:

81 55 13
27 7 91
62 17 9
73 36 28

44 2
54 4
64 6

If 55 is out, Barron to 1C ( yes I'm serious) and Gus to 4C and leave everything else alone.

No Schenn. No Apples. Iafallo higher up the lineup. Keep Stan because Fleury scares me more.

Profit?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Ad

Ad