Post-Game Talk: Blues 5 - Jets 2 Series tied at 3

[Thechozen1]

I'm starting to think that winning the Pres isn't a curse it just means you emptied your tank in the regular season and might be running out of gas in the playoffs. Is it any coincidence that none of our players look to have found an extra gear. You see players on other teams upping their game, playing to the moments and it just looks like the Jets are running on vapors. It seems like the Cats and Bolts learned this lesson already and have put a lot less stock into trying in the regular season. Do enough that you can get into the playoffs and then ramp it up once you're there.

That’s one theory, but doesn’t explain why they couldn’t up their energy level last season or any other in recent memory for that matter.

 

[Buffdog]

Agreed. How do you like your eggs?

I can't really think of a way that I don't like eggs lol

 

[snowkiddin]

I can't really think of a way that I don't like eggs lol

You heard it here first, ladies and gents! Buffdog likes raw eggs! Anyway, who are you starting for Game 7?

 

[roccerfeller]

I wouldn't mind that at all.

Same here

Though I suspect Arniel will go to a lineup that “worked” game 5

 

[Bob E]

Win or lose, it's still very fun for me to ride the ups and downs of playoff hockey rooting for my hometown team. Do I want them to win? Of course. If they don't will I be disappointed? Sure, like all Jets fans. Will it shake my belief and support of the Jets? Absolutely not. Go get them boys. Go Jets Go!!

 

[LowLefty]

Last year our defense was allowing far more scoring chances against.

We had a 3.6 XGA/60 last year compared to a 2.18 this year. That is an expected 1 and a half goals better per 60 improvement.

Yes the goals look the same but the team is allowing far less chances against this year

You tell me what the team is supposed to given that it's impossible for them keep the lanes completely clear 100% of the time.

At some point the goalie needs to step up and learn to fight through it. I would agree that last year we didn't help our goalie out but this year that excuse doesn't add up to what the data is showing us.

And yes the coach is going to try to get the team to be even better then it has been because as you yourself said the alternative is hoping Helle makes a 180 turn in his game in a short period of time. Given what we've seen its more likely the team can give you a full 60 game 2 super defensive effort this post season then it is Helle is going to step up.

Your last paragraph is the point I was trying to make - so I guess we agree?

 

[raideralex99]

The Blues D has scored a lot of goals ... what I don't understand why can't the Jets make an adjustment and have the wingers playing closer to the point?
The Wingers give way too much room to the point men and they just end up blocking Helle's view playing lower down. Just look at the first goal Broberg scored he's almost in the slot. They are busy puck watching.

Thomas still has the puck and Broberg is getting ready to put it into the empty net while the center and winger are puck watching. Thomas doesn't have a play if the 2 Jet puck watchers are covering their men.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Can you imagine you have a leaky goalie, you go into a building where you've played like shit and the first shot goes in after you've held the play for several minutes?

Then, you battle back, tie it up after having a disallowed goal, and the opposition marches down and scores again AND THEN your goalie lets in a goal that a well placed snowbank would have stopped?

Please try and tell me that that does not affect a team.

I've been in that place. Game (provincial midget playdowns in the 1960s) was tied halfway through and our goalie whiffed when he had to stop an attempted icing by the oposition. The team just wilted after that and the floodgates opened. Not a pretty picture. It happens at all levels.

 

[Buffdog]

You heard it here first, ladies and gents! Buffdog likes raw eggs! Anyway, who are you starting for Game 7?

I start Helle... but I have a chat with him first telling him that the only reason I'm doing so is because of what he's capable of, not what he's done recently.

Helle talks about wanting to be the best in the world, and I challenge him by telling him to his face that nobody will ever think that unless he pulls it together

I have no idea what the communications have been between him and the coaching staff up until this point, or even if there have been any. He HAS to know that he needs to be better, so there's really no sense telling him that. That's why I'd take the risk of low-key calling him out privately

I think doing it this way would either make him much better by putting a chip on his shoulder, or cause him to fold completely. I'd be willing to take that risk at this point

 

[voyageur]

I wouldn't mind that at all.

It's all about matchups. Namestnikov couldn't beat Fowler-Parayko. Thomas.

So don't give him that matchup.

I'm not sure the Jets have a center now who can beat Thomas.

Matching Schenn's line is easier. Kyrou is invisible this series. Schenn and Neighbours play the body.

It's the bottom 6 for the Blues that are making the difference in this series.

I wouldn't be surprised if JAD draws in at C for the 4th line.

Injuries to Scheifele, Kupari. Lowry injured but playing. Sure thins it out up the middle. There's no way that a center who had 2 EN goals halfway into the season should be the best C option for the Jets in game 89. But here we are.

 

[surixon]

Your last paragraph is the point I was trying to make - so I guess we agree?

If your saying that we agree that the team is going to have to pull off another superhuman flawless defensive effort to bail out a goalie playing ECHL level bad then yeah we agree.

But if your saying the team has been bad and need to pull there heads out of their ass because they are leaving the goalie out to dry then we don't.

We've played more then we'll enough defensively in each game we've played sans game 3.

 

[Thechozen1]

Since the Jets D men can’t clear Helle’s crease it’s time for Helle to play like Billy Smith.
Any Blues player who is standing in his crease give him a solid two hand slash on the back of the legs and let’s see in they go in his crease again. The 2 mins would be worth it.

With this reffing we’d see a suspension.

 

[Buffdog]

The Blues D has scored a lot of goals ... what I don't understand why can't the Jets make an adjustment and have the wingers playing closer to the point?
The Wingers give way too much room to the point men and they just end up blocking Helle's view playing lower down. Just look at the first goal Broberg scored he's almost in the slot. They are busy puck watching.
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Thomas still has the puck and Broberg is getting ready to put it into the empty net.

I just went and rewatched it...

I'm not sure why Perfetti is so low here (this is an instant before the puck goes from the far wall to Broberg high in the slot for a one timer). No need for 4 Jets below the dots here

Plus, Cole's stick is in the wrong lane... he should be 5 feet higher and his stick in the lane between the passer and Broberg. Lowry already has his stick in the lane for the cross-crease pass

 

[Buffdog]

I just went and rewatched it...

I'm not sure why Perfetti is so low here (this is an instant before the puck goes from the far wall to Broberg high in the slot for a one timer). No need for 4 Jets below the dots here

Plus, Cole's stick is in the wrong lane... he should be 5 feet higher and his stick in the lane between the passer and Broberg. Lowry already has his stick in the lane for the cross-crease pass

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Edit: I'm guessing that the reason Cole is low there is that he's waiting for Samberg to get back into position before releasing the netfront guy

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

I mean if I had my way I'd do this (assuming Scheifele isn't back for game 7)

Connor Barron Vilardi
Ehlers Kupari Perfetti
Niederrater Lowry Iafallo
Dolan Namestnikov Tanev

Morrissey Demelo
Samberg Pionk
Stanley Miller

But that's a wild idea in a game 7.

Interesting forward combinations. I like them. Every line would have a decent balance of Tenacious D and, hopefully, enough offence to give the Blues and their "OR doctor" of a coach some fits. As for D pairing, I'm still not a fan of Big Stan (or Schenn) so who is left to pair with Miller...Fleury, Coglan, Heinola? (just joking about Heinola, sort of) Of course, you're right about it being a wild idea.

 

[raideralex99]

I just went and rewatched it...

I'm not sure why Perfetti is so low here (this is an instant before the puck goes from the far wall to Broberg high in the slot for a one timer). No need for 4 Jets below the dots here

Plus, Cole's stick is in the wrong lane... he should be 5 feet higher and his stick in the lane between the passer and Broberg. Lowry already has his stick in the lane for the cross-crease pass

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The only thing I can thing of is the line playing for the first time in awhile and forgeting their assignments but look at how close the point men are ... the fricken blueline isn't even in the picture.

 

[raideralex99]

Good to see there’s some people still believe in the jets.

 

[Buffdog]

The only thing I can thing of is the line playing for the first time in awhile and forgeting their assignments but look at how close the point men are ... the fricken blueline isn't even in the picture.

I edited my post to say that Perfetti was waiting on Samberg to get back into position so he could release on the guy at the back post

That whole play started with Samberg taking himself out of the play by bodying Faulk... which isn't a terrible play since he's taking Faulk out too... but the Jets failed on their compensatory reads by allowing Broberg to be completely undefended

 

[Do or Die]

Blue's D isn't that mobile......
Need to crank up the forcheck, and get more puck possession in their end.....have Binnington see some traffic as well..

 

[Jet]

I've been in that place. Game (provincial midget playdowns in the 1960s) was tied halfway through and our goalie whiffed when he had to stop an attempted icing by the oposition. The team just wilted after that and the floodgates opened. Not a pretty picture. It happens at all levels.

I've been in both situations. I've had a poor goalie performance sink one of my teams and I've had a terrific performance bouy us to inspired play.

Happens in baseball with pitchers and football with qbs, too. It's the nature of having a player position which is inordinately important as compared to the other positions.

 

[snowkiddin]

i agree, it's not like screening is uncommon. the Jets deal with screens in the regular season, and Helle has all-world stats.

however, where's the Jets net front presence? nino provided some but other than that it's been way lesser in comparison to the blues.

Thanks for sharing. How do you like your eggs? Who are you starting for Game 7?

 

[Bob E]

I just went and rewatched it...

I'm not sure why Perfetti is so low here (this is an instant before the puck goes from the far wall to Broberg high in the slot for a one timer). No need for 4 Jets below the dots here

Plus, Cole's stick is in the wrong lane... he should be 5 feet higher and his stick in the lane between the passer and Broberg. Lowry already has his stick in the lane for the cross-crease pass

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And who is Ehlers watching? His man is about to score a goal from the high slot and he's curling to cover a position/player that's not there. Assuming Lowry has the puck carrier, and keeping him to the outside.

 

[ecolad]

The only thing I can thing of is the line playing for the first time in awhile and forgeting their assignments but look at how close the point men are ... the fricken blueline isn't even in the picture.

Its not only that the pointmen are dropping down to the circles for their shots - almost every opportunity comes from the middle of the ice where the shotlines to the net are optimal (and cryptonite for Helle). I was struck with looking at the heat map shown in post 77 in this thread showing Blues Scoring Chances - appears that every shot from the point comes from the middle of the ice, with almost none from the typical points nearer the boards. This is something that requires an adjustment by the coach`s if it`s not too late already.

 

[Buffdog]

And who is Ehlers watching? His man is about to score a goal from the high slot and he's curling to cover a position/player that's not there. Assuming Lowry has the puck carrier, and keeping him to the outside.

You have to remember that the Jets don't play man on man in the D zone... they play a Box+1. Ehlers is in his spot in the box but Perfetti wasn't

 

[LowLefty]

If your saying that we agree that the team is going to have to pull off another superhuman flawless defensive effort to bail out a goalie playing ECHL level bad then yeah we agree.

But if your saying the team has been bad and need to pull there heads out of their ass because they are leaving the goalie out to dry then we don't.

We've played more then we'll enough defensively in each game we've played sans game 3.

Nope - never said it's all on the team (as per my post) -
And I'm not suggesting a super human flawless team effort - that's not going to happen and we both know that.
But the team can play better - and will likely need to if they intend to counter some of the issues they are having in net.
My post and response to you was never about placing blame - it was about how we can adapt - IMO, the team has more to give and will need to regardless of how bad Helle is playing. And that might be the best option because as I have stated, I don't see Helle climbing out of this on his own.
We all know Helle is not getting it done - but rather than bitch about it, how to do get it done?