Post-Game Talk: Blues 5 - Jets 1, Series tied at 2

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No team can win with goaltending that has been like -6 goals above expected as has been these last two. I have hope it is small sample size variance and Helle will be to his old self in the next game. I also don't buy that there is some secret "book" against Helle that teams only seem to deploy during the playoffs, it is either bad luck or a mental thing.
Blues are literally just throwing random shots at the net that are going in. They haven't nearly been as good as those two games suggest. Really hope you annihilate them, rooting for y'all. If the Blues PDO their way to the second round, hopefully Colorado can embarrass them and make Binnington, Fowler, Faulk, Leddy, etc. question why they're still in the NHL. I also hope Snuggerud peaks this season. Oh, and f*** Ryan Suter.
 
I agree with this, but getting blown out badly on the road, sure doesn’t boost the confidence.

Somehow I believe the Jets will pull this series out, but if we lose the next game, the series is likely over. You gotta be able to win on the road to go deep in the playoffs.
I agree. We have to believe. It's a different season. It's a best of 3 now. We knew the Blues were tough in every way. But adversity is part of the playoffs.
When we beat Nashville in game 7, we got hosed in game 6.
Splitting the home games isn't the worst.
 
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My ray of positivity:

Helle has been unsustainably low so far in terms of save percentage

Binnington has been unsustainably high

Get Lardo back next game and watch some double regression happen?
Yeah that's my one shred of hope left.

The only problem is, in a season you can feel confident of regression to norm but over such a small sample size it's less predictable.

Game 3 had 2 really bad luck things happen that really turned things: Helles inexplicably bad play behind the net just after we scored that really deflated the team, and Perfettis obvious goal that wasn't counted.

I'm also kind of hoping the boys were still sick, that could explain some things.

If I was the coach I'd show the end of play seasons playoffs for the Jets, the exit interviews, ask them to remember how they felt and all them do they want to feel that way all offseason again?

Then I'd show them some highlights of this season to remind them the incredible accomplishment they had together and what they can do as a team.

At the end of the day though, if Hellebuyck can't figure it out, and fast, we're cooked.
 
We hit on so much about goaltending and it is warranted.

We are also forgetting we are the 2nd best scoring team in the league.

Through this playoffs all team are able to get goals from different players for their team.

For the Jets
except from timely goals from Kyle Connor.
We have practically nothing to show for it in 4 games.
 
Well that f***ing sucked.

Helle has been bad but there have been some horse-shoe up the ass goals too. First goal of each game, one a tip with a baseball swing, the other a kick out of the air to stick, hit out of the air to score.

He's got to find a way to push the demons out. This series is 2-2 but it feels f***ing terrible right now. Not having Ehlers and Vilardi neuters our offensive depth, we can't afford to fall behind.
 
Well that f***ing sucked.

Helle has been bad but there have been some horse-shoe up the ass goals too. First goal of each game, one a tip with a baseball swing, the other a kick out of the air to stick, hit out of the air to score.

He's got to find a way to push the demons out. This series is 2-2 but it feels f***ing terrible right now. Not having Ehlers and Vilardi neuters our offensive depth, we can't afford to fall behind.
Vilardi back next game will help especially on our PP .
 
its a best of 2 of 3 and the jets could still win but sure doesnt look promising...gotta get back to what got them here and raise their level of play..its the playoffs!!!
 
The excitement of Luke Schenn has quickly faded, dude is a step behind and his truculence is non existent, at least it is in this series.
both TDL acquisitions have not been great imo

schenn has not been impressive this series as you noted. the Jets have been terrible clearing front of the net, isn't physicality/size supposed to be his redeeming trait?
and tanev hasn't been noteworthy either.

weren't both supposed to help the PK?

Well that f***ing sucked.

Helle has been bad but there have been some horse-shoe up the ass goals too. First goal of each game, one a tip with a baseball swing, the other a kick out of the air to stick, hit out of the air to score.

He's got to find a way to push the demons out. This series is 2-2 but it feels f***ing terrible right now. Not having Ehlers and Vilardi neuters our offensive depth, we can't afford to fall behind.
the Jets have a couple good luck goals too. both the Scheifele goals in the Wins were batted in by Blues players. at the end of the day if it's the home series taking home Wins, the Jets will move on. however, Hellebuyck and the rest of the team have not instilled confidence in me if this style of play continues in the next round.
The Blues are a mid team, play like this vs a top 5-10 team i think it will be quick work for the Jets.
 
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I wonder if we'll see an adjustment there for game 5, with some more pressure defending those point shots. Those have been the killers the last 2 games, and Helle is probably the best high danger chance goalie in the league to counteract any bad side effects.
You have to give credit to Neighbours on the go ahead goal. That was a helluva tip.

It's funny because you read somewhere on here that Helle was too far out in his crease this game to allow those pucks by him but the games before I thought Helle was too deep in his net, giving up too much.

And then you hear the analysts quoting Montgomery as saying he is trying to anticipate what he thinks Arniel is going to do. So maybe the Jets are being outcoached in a chess match.
Hard to say. Win a board battle and don't break down in coverage and you finish the 1st period 1-0 ahead. I remember looking at the shot clock in the 2nd and saying Jets are outshooting the Blues 17-9 so far, they are outplaying them, and it looked a lot like game #2 and I believe it was shot #10 that went in and the Blues never looked back as the Jets unravelled.

But if you are Arniel what do you do?

Blues top 4 defense better than Jets last 2 games.

Offensively the team is challenged. No secondary forwards seem capable of scoring Perry/Kane type goals. Go to the net get knocked down, no penalty. Stick in the throat to our best player, no penalty.

So maybe the defensive shell is all Arniel can coach now, hope for mistakes.

If Suter comes back in for Tucker maybe the Blues 3rd pairing gets exposed by our speed. But there isn't Ehlers or Kupari's speed out there in this series. And the fast guys on the Jets like Appleton couldn't score if their life depended on it. There's not enough scoring talent on this team. Grind it out I guess, hope for the best. And play your best against the Blues and clearly biased refs.
 
There are lots of series' tied at 2 now. Edmonton has come back, with questionable goaltending too. The Wild has Vegas hanging on. Avs blanked the stars 4 to 0 to tie the series.

This is normal. Of course the fashion of the last 2 losses is unsettling but that's adversity. Perseverance is what makes a champion.

The Jets should watch "when we were kings" tomorrow and see how champions win.

The LA kings came back from a 3-0 series when they won the cup. It's rare, but winning the cup demands unlikely and even terrible odds sometimes; missing players, flukey goals, bad penalties. It's not over until the horn goes on the last game.
You have to keep fighting, there is no other path forward
 
Thought I'd sit out the carnage yesterday...

KFC has been horrible all series - yes he is a sniper and yes the first line can 'turn it on' at times... but he's playing Peewee hockey and continually circling OUT of the play and waving his stick

St Louis is just running the same adjustments that the Avs made - send in a hard forecheck with support - hit our D hard and make them panic - get guys in front of the net... its the book on the Jets and always has been

Miller has to be in the lineup - all the blah blah about 3rd pairing D not making a difference was of course bullshit - they are victimized and as a result we bench them and our top 4 gets overworked

To say that Ehlers was not valuable as a line driver is now clearly incorrect - sure we can move on from him, but who is gaining zone entries in his place?

The bottom six is not the problem... if our top line continues to take 50% of their shifts off, then we are done
 
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The excitement of Luke Schenn has quickly faded, dude is a step behind and his truculence is non existent, at least it is in this series.
There was no excitement for me from day one. RHD depth was so far down the list of areas that needed to be addressed.

For sure it was nice to have his experience in the lineup when Pionk got hurt, but overall he has done little to convince me that he’s a better option than Miller.
 
Thought I'd sit out the carnage yesterday...

KFC has been horrible all season - yes he is a sniper and yes the first line can 'turn it on' at times... but he's playing Peewee hockey and continually circling OUT of the play and waving his stick

St Louis is just running the same adjustments that the Avs made - send in a hard forecheck with support - hit our D hard and make them panic - get guys in front of the net... its the book on the Jets and always has been

Miller has to be in the lineup - all the blah blah about 3rd pairing D not making a difference was of course bullshit - they are victimized and as a result we bench them and our top 4 gets overworked

To say that Ehlers was not valuable as a line driver is now clearly incorrect - sure we can move on from him, but who is gaining zone entries in his place?

The bottom six is not the problem... if our top line continues to take 50% of their shifts off, then we are done
I'd sure like to see Miller out there on the 2nd PP. Maybe the Jets dress 7 d-men for once, double shift Scheif and Connor to try win a matchup.

Edmonton yesterday needs a goal Mc David/Draisaitl more Mc David more Draisaitl. But players who are hungry. Scheifele isn't an elite player. The battle between he and Thomas that's 2 very good centers. Brayden has been better in St. Louis than Luke. Or Vlad. Lowry has to be a difference in this series.
 
The excitement of Luke Schenn has quickly faded, dude is a step behind and his truculence is non existent, at least it is in this series.
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The excitement of Brandon Tanev has also quickly faded, dude is a step behind and his truculence is non existent, at least in this series.

For a rental, we gave up a second round pick for someone that got a single goal and a handful of assists in ~20 regular season games, and has contributed no offense in the post season. Yeah, his hair blows in the wind and his leg motion makes it look like he is moving quickly when he skates around trying to catch up to the actual play. Or when he tries to run into people after they have already passed the puck and it is moving up the ice. But style points don't contribute to playoff game wins.
 
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