Post-Game Talk: Blues 5 - Jets 1, Series tied at 2

[Slimy Sculpin]

I wouldn't blame anyone if they cancelled their season tickets if the Jets re signed Apples. Generally don't hate of Jets players but he is a waste of a 35 second shift.

It's like the puck has a positive charge as does his stick and that is not a net positive.

 

[ROLLT1DE]

It's simple. Go on another 2 game winning streak and this series is over. Not going to go balls deep panic yet.

 

[JetsFan815]

Glad deadline acquisition Luke Schenn is turning things around with his physical play...

Seriously though, Stanley-Miller was fine all season. Maybe sit Schenn for a few dozen games and see if it helps.

Fluery in for Stanley is just such a pointless move. To be honest I prefer Stanley to Fluery and i am no big fan of Stan. The disrespect shown to Miller by this coaching staff is baffling, both this season and last season.

 

[JetsFan815]

Exactly. I know people will blame defensive play and at times it's been bad, but for the most part we've been good enough defensively this series.

We need to score more and we need some saves.

Helle is sporting an .800 save percentage this series. It's hard to blast the rest of the team when you are getting that awful of goaltending. The fact that the series is tied with our goalie playing that badly is remarkable.

If Helle can get it together we take this series. If he can't we are fighting an uphill battle as this team was designed to win lower scoring games not 5/4 barn burners like the Oilers for instance.

No team can win with goaltending that has been like -6 goals above expected as has been these last two. I have hope it is small sample size variance and Helle will be to his old self in the next game. I also don't buy that there is some secret "book" against Helle that teams only seem to deploy during the playoffs, it is either bad luck or a mental thing.

 

[raideralex99]

I don’t like pointing fingers but Nino and Apples are killing the 2nd and 3rd lines. They are not goal scorers put them back together and just let them check and keep the Blues off the score sheet.
Perfetti is probably the best complete player on the top 6 he does all the little things right and actually wins board battles. I would even try perfetti with 55 & 81.
The Jets are not frauds they are soft if they don’t advance it’s time to bring in toughness. Pionk, Lowry, Tanev and Perfetti are the only ones with balls.

 

[snowkiddin]

I feel like vilardi is 100% back next game so they should go
connor scheifele vilardi
perfetti lowry iaffao
names barron nino
tanev gus jad/appleton

I’d maybe swap Barron and Lowry but I like your lines. I’d have JAD in over Appleton at this point.

 

[macmaroon]

Made it to Edmonton safely, but I did not listen to the game so I can't comment on what happened. So what happened? Yikes! The series isn't over by any means, so let's hope the return to Winnipeg will get the team playing better. I give this game one "Caillou" out of five...

The Prediction Contest for Game Five against the B-Lose has been posted for your guesses. A big shout out to @Zhamnov5GoalGame who will be making the GDT for the next game. We are all looking forward to it. See you all Wednesday! Good night...

 

[LowLefty]

Sorry but not buying it. Our defense looks worse because Helle's statistically has been about as bad as you can get so every breakdown is in our net. Do you really think teams haven't been getting to the front of the net all year or playing us physically?

What you are asking for is this team to play error free defense because that is what its going to take with Helle's play right now.

The PO intensity is much higher - and that is what our D is struggling with just like they did last year.
You are free to assume Helle forgets how to play net when the PO's start.

IMO, our D are not ramping up to contend with the physicality and speed of PO hockey - and they haven't been able to for a few yrs now.
Many of our forwards are struggling with the same issue - they can't win battles and can't create open ice - especially down the middle.
The Blues have this figured out - and we'll need to adjust if we expect any success in this series.

I'm still expecting the Jets to come of of the gate hard the next game - because the coach knows what is going on here and he'll be pressing hard on our guys to find that next level of intensity. The Blues coach knows how to beat us, our coach knows why they are shutting us down, and our players likely know it too at this point. This is exactly what happened last year - and if they are going to let the opposition set up camp in front and down the middle, it will be very easy to blame the goals against on goaltending.

Not at all asking for error free defense - in fact, the issue isn't errors, is simply a lack of effort. I think our guys know what they need to do to ramp up (like the Blues did) - the question is, will they? Can they play PO hockey. I still believe they can but it will take a completely different mind set and I hope Arniel is able to get that message through. They need to leave it all out there - they are far from doing that now. And don't get me wrong - I want to see more from Helle - but I refuse to blame him for what is going on here.

 

[gojetsgo]

helle's .817 sv% is the worst for a goalie that has played 4+ games in a series since 1993 and 8th worse since 1960 when they started keeping track, but yeah... he owns none if this blame...

 

[PhilJets]

I see other teams in these playoffs- their defense are able to contirbute to the attack and put points and goals.

Our defense offense was one of our strong area in regular season.

Blues are able to limit it. Possibly all the hitting also they can’t set up or activate?

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

Where does one find these charts? When I go to Naturalstattrick, I can't find it.

https://www.hockeystatcards.com/

 

[PhilJets]

helle's .817 sv% is the worst for a goalie that has played 4+ games in a series since 1993 and 8th worse since 1960 when they started keeping track, but yeah... he owns none if this blame...

Everything starts with Helly

he is our team best player and MVP.

If he falters this happens… if your best players are not your best players you don’t win.

Now we know how important he is if he is playing well, hopefully the team adjust to the Blues attack.

 

[SimpleSimon]

Don't worry people. By my calculations, if we only win our home games, we're gonna get a total of four game 7-wins. I know that's a lot of clenching, but I think we can do it.

I did stock up on Anusol suppositories just in time for the playoffs. Let’s hope I get to use it.

 

[PhilJets]

Man i’m really sad the turn of events on what happened the last two games.

But its been a great ride so far this year!!!

Get this at home boys!!!!

GO JETS GO

 

[snowkiddin]

I’ll be interested to see how the Jets look in Game 5. Oilers just tied it with 30 seconds left to tie it. In general all the teams in the playoffs are battling this year. Let’s see if the Jets can battle in the face of adversity.

 

[Hobble]

The more I think about it, the more that quote from Shoresy comes to mind.

We have a lot of players that love to win, but not enough who hate to lose.

 

[snowkiddin]

helle's .817 sv% is the worst for a goalie that has played 4+ games in a series since 1993 and 8th worse since 1960 when they started keeping track, but yeah... he owns none if this blame...

Yeah I saw that on Reddit too. The defence hasn’t been good but the #1 problem right now is by far Helle IMO.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

I don’t like pointing fingers but Nino and Apples are killing the 2nd and 3rd lines. They are not goal scorers put them back together and just let them check and keep the Blues off the sheet.
Perfetti is probably the best complete player on the top 6 he actually does all the things right and actually wins board battles. I would even try perfetti with 55 & 81.
The Jets are not frauds they are soft if they don’t advance it’s time to bring in toughness. Pionk, Lowry, Tanev and Perfetti are the only ones with balls.

Vlad is the one killing that second line, the puck dies on his stick so many times it's almost funny if it wasn't so sad, Apples and Nino aren't any better but Vlad is the one who has been playing with two skilled forwards the entire season.

One of the biggest mistakes was going with him again as 2C in the off season, Chevy knew he needed a better option but him and Arniel chose to go with him again knowing full well they would need an upgrade at the TDL and we all know how that worked out, no one wanted to come here.

 

[voyageur]

I feel like vilardi is 100% back next game so they should go
connor scheifele vilardi
perfetti lowry iaffao
names barron nino
tanev gus jad/appleton

I agree with the top 6. I think the Jets need a secondary scoring line, and maybe getting AI away from Blues top d pairings will help his game. Lowry is a gamer, he'll win board battles but I have no confidence in Appleton to score goals. I don't really see Barron as a scorer, or anyone in the bottom 6 right now. JAD maybe.

4th line will get a new look after giving up a pivotal goal. Hard to see Fleury coming back in on defense. I thought he was so badly out of place to leave a 2-1 down low on the 1st goal, that's a tough one to rebound from.

There's no easy answers.

The things that worked: Team defense, killer PPs, they've gone out the door now that is a one team battle, where Montgomery seems to be ahead of what Arniel is doing. And that's an inexperienced coach vs. a battle tested one. This is Arniel's first playoffs as a head coach, and his roster looks depleted now. And I just don't know how you turn the tide. Scheifele keeps getting hit. Nobody is protecting our best player. Morrissey looks like a shell of the player who dominated during the season. The Blues are wearing them down. 3 days rest. Hopefully they find their legs, Arniel plays a good matchup game. Hellebuyck sees the puck, and isn't getting heavy traffic.

 

[raideralex99]

Vlad is the one killing that second line, the puck dies on his stick so many times it's almost funny if it wasn't so sad, Apples and Nino aren't any better but Vlad is the one who has been playing with two skilled forwards the entire season.

One of the biggest mistakes was going with him again as 2C in the off season, Chevy knew he needed a better option but him and Arniel chose to go with him again knowing full well they would need an upgrade at the TDL and we all know how that worked out, no one wanted to come here.

Well Names might not be a 2C but with Ehlers and Perfetti he was okay. Nino with him and Perfetti the line is not good so it looks like Nino is the reason why the line looks bad right?

 

[Hobble]

Well Names might not be a 2C but with Ehlers and Perfetti he was okay. Nino with him and Perfetti the line is not good so it looks like Nino is the reason why the line looks bad right?

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

Well Names might not be a 2C but with Ehlers and Perfetti he was okay. Nino with him and Perfetti the line is not good so it looks like Nino is the reason why the line looks bad right?

Ehlers drives that line from the wing and Fetts has started to come into his own this season, Vlad for most of the season has just been dead weight, he is a defensively responsible bottom sixer but he has never been and never will be top 6 material.

I mean the guy hasn't scored a single goal in like 2 months, he has been completely invisible for a very long time, sure Nino hasn't done anything either so really it's just adding shit to the fire. I feel sorry for Perfetti being anchored to those two.

 

[Hobble]

I see other teams in these playoffs- their defense are able to contirbute to the attack and put points and goals.

Our defense offense was one of our strong area in regular season.

Blues are able to limit it. Possibly all the hitting also they can’t set up or activate?

Blues seem to be blocking a lot of our point shots. The only thing Jets are good at blocking is Helle’s view.

 

[PhilJets]

Blues seem to be blocking a lot of our point shots. The only thing Jets are good at blocking is Helle’s view.

yeah,

I've seen quiet a few goals in Edmonton vs L.A. series, teams scoring from a point shots with a screened goalie.
So its a recipe that is not a secret.

Maybe we can't move them? from the front?

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Blues seem to be blocking a lot of our point shots. The only thing Jets are good at blocking is Helle’s view.

I wonder if we'll see an adjustment there for game 5, with some more pressure defending those point shots. Those have been the killers the last 2 games, and Helle is probably the best high danger chance goalie in the league to counteract any bad side effects.