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Sadly that loophole can't be used since he has a full NTC instead of a limited one. HahaThe no-trade says Arizona Coyotes on it, but he's going to Utah. Checkmate.
Sadly that loophole can't be used since he has a full NTC instead of a limited one. HahaThe no-trade says Arizona Coyotes on it, but he's going to Utah. Checkmate.
The no-trade says Arizona Coyotes on it, but he's going to Utah. Checkmate.
That does bring up the question of has the league released anything on how it will work for players with M-NTC's, I'd assume they'll be given a chance to update their lists? Although I suspect Utah won't be as much of an undesirable location once more players experience how Ryan Smith runs the team, by all accounts so far it's been a positive experience for all the ex-CoyotesSadly that loophole can't be used since he has a full NTC instead of a limited one. Haha
Players with MNTC update their lists every summer. Biggest reason we could trade Bergy was because his list didn't get submitted and basically made it voided.That does bring up the question of has the league released anything on how it will work for players with M-NTC's, I'd assume they'll be given a chance to update their lists? Although I suspect Utah won't be as much of an undesirable location once more players experience how Ryan Smith runs the team, by all accounts so far it's been a positive experience for all the ex-Coyotes
But that doesn’t really address the hypothetical mk80 brings up though. The new lists start on July 1st. What about from now through June 30th?Players with MNTC update their lists every summer. Biggest reason we could trade Bergy was because his list didn't get submitted and basically made it voided.
Do you have any links about this? I’d love to read more details.That does bring up the question of has the league released anything on how it will work for players with M-NTC's, I'd assume they'll be given a chance to update their lists? Although I suspect Utah won't be as much of an undesirable location once more players experience how Ryan Smith runs the team, by all accounts so far it's been a positive experience for all the ex-Coyotes
A player can always waive their trade protection. Guys with total NTC waive all the time. Thats how Doug Weight got moved.Could a player still choose to waive for a team on their NTC list though. Let’s say we had a player that was Mormon and in their eyes, they would only play in St. Louis or Utah, but Utah has never been an option. So, it's not like players that want to go to Utah would not be able to accept a trade there. Players could argue they are harmed because they wouldn't have Utah on and would want to replace it with another city. If I'm a betting man, I'd say Utah stays on a fair amount no trade lists until they start winning, and then winning will open some things up.
Players can always waive a NTC or a team on their NTC. At any time, any player in your hypothetical could inform his current team 'I will accept a trade to Utah even though I wouldn't have accepted a trade to Arizona.'Could a player still choose to waive for a team on their NTC list though. Lets say we had a player that was Mormon and in their eyes, they would only play in St. Louis or Utah, but Utah has never been an option. So, it's not like players that want to go to Utah would not be able to accept a trade there. Players could argue they are harmed because they wouldn't have Utah on and would want to replace it with another city. If I'm a betting man, I'd say Utah stays on a fair amount no trade lists until they start winning, and then winning will open some things up.
Absolutely. A player who didn't want anything to do with Arizona could love to play in Utah and all they would have to do is tell their GM. "Hey, I know I didn't want to go to Arizona, but, I would love to go to Salt Lake City If you found a deal"Could a player still choose to waive for a team on their NTC list though. Lets say we had a player that was Mormon and in their eyes, they would only play in St. Louis or Utah, but Utah has never been an option. So, it's not like players that want to go to Utah would not be able to accept a trade there. Players could argue they are harmed because they wouldn't have Utah on and would want to replace it with another city. If I'm a betting man, I'd say Utah stays on a fair amount no trade lists until they start winning, and then winning will open some things up.
But that doesn’t really address the hypothetical mk80 brings up though. The new lists start on July 1st. What about from now through June 30th?
I would assume they’ve said that if a player has Arizona on their NTC list, it still applies to the Utah franchise but we don’t know that for sure. It’s a legit question. Especially since it’s technically not even the same franchise. It’s a brand new franchise while the Arizona franchise has gone dormant.
My understanding is that the Utah franchise bought all of the player and hockey operations staff contracts from the Arizona franchise.If it is a whole new franchise, then are all the contracts signed void? I think it would be easier if it's the same company, just the name and logo are being reserved for a new franchise if the former owner gets a venue. Otherwise the coach, GM, all front office employees would have to sign new contracts.
My understanding is that the Utah franchise bought all of the player and hockey operations staff contracts from the Arizona franchise.
It’s an odd transaction and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it done this way before. But seemingly it was done so Meruelo could keep the Coyotes name, logo, history etc but sell all of the actual assets.
I would assume this would also mean that any Coyotes employee that didn’t work in Hockey Operations (finance, tickets, marketing, operations, broadcasting, communications, legal, IT etc) just lost their job.
Players with MNTC update their lists every summer. Biggest reason we could trade Bergy was because his list didn't get submitted and basically made it voided.
But that doesn’t really address the hypothetical mk80 brings up though. The new lists start on July 1st. What about from now through June 30th?
I would assume they’ve said that if a player has Arizona on their NTC list, it still applies to the Utah franchise but we don’t know that for sure. It’s a legit question. Especially since it’s technically not even the same franchise. It’s a brand new franchise while the Arizona franchise has gone dormant.
I haven't heard a definite answer from the league, but I feel very comfortable saying that a player with Arizona on their no trade list can not be traded to Utah.
Even if the league believes that they could convince an arbitrator of the legality, it would be an immediate grievance from the NHLPA that would get tied up in arbitration lasting months. Bettman and the league dislike the uncertainty of arbitration, which is no small part of how this deal got done. They gave the old owner a damn good deal to avoid him fighting the league's decision to prevent him from trying to play 3+ more seasons at Mullett.
It is pretty easy for the league to just tell teams 'any player with Arizona on their no-trade list now has Utah on their no trade list' rather than trying to allow a few teams to jettison a bad contract and open up a massive conflict with the PA.
I'm having difficulty tracking some things down, mostly I've just seen tweets and video clips from insiders talking about the behind the scenes of the Coyotes trip to Utah surrounding the fan event they had there. Things like the players being impressed with their tours of the Jazz facilities, the Smith's bringing in realtors to meet and work with the players, and being willing to spend on the more trivial things. I apologize, I didn't come prepared with the sources, I'll put what I can remember below:Do you have any links about this? I’d love to read more details.
I would imagine Utah would take the place as Arizona or a relocation would trigger an updated list, sort of how a life event with payroll benefits can allow you to update your elected benefits mid-year.
This was also reported on as a thing players were asking for confirmation on as the move was first being brokenRight.
This is a really strange thing to be worried about. I doubt that the league legal consul would be so negligent as to forget to check circumstances like this before the move was announced.
Reporting before everything was confirmed suggested that players wanted to update their list to put SLC on there where Arizona was not more than the other way around. Players who don't know anything about SLC are probably going to be pretty hesitant to go there before there's an actual test run.That does bring up the question of has the league released anything on how it will work for players with M-NTC's, I'd assume they'll be given a chance to update their lists? Although I suspect Utah won't be as much of an undesirable location once more players experience how Ryan Smith runs the team, by all accounts so far it's been a positive experience for all the ex-Coyotes
Thanks! That makes sense players would be skeptical until things settle down more. I have a feeling that over time more players will be open to going there, once they hear and experience the operations of things, and the ex Coyotes can give them more insight into everything.This was also reported on as a thing players were asking for confirmation on as the move was first being broken
Reporting before everything was confirmed suggested that players wanted to update their list to put SLC on there where Arizona was not more than the other way around. Players who don't know anything about SLC are probably going to be pretty hesitant to go there before there's an actual test run.
Player | TEAM | AGE |
Kevin Bahl | NJD | 23 |
Cam York | PHI | 22 |
Luke Hughes | NJD | 19 |
Rasmus Dahlin | BUF | 23 |
Alexander Romanov | NYI | 23 |
K'Andre Miller | NYR | 23 |
J.J. Moser | ARI | 23 |
Thomas Harley | DAL | 21 |
Jake Sanderson | OTT | 20 |
Dylan Samberg | WPG | 24 |
Ryan Lindgren | NYR | 25 |
Erik Brännström | OTT | 23 |
Alex Vlasic | CHI | 22 |
Owen Power | BUF | 20 |
Kevin Korchinski | CHI | 19 |
Nicolas Hague | VGK | 24 |
Bowen Byram | BUF | 22 |
Jake Bean | CBJ | 25 |
Jackson LaCombe | ANA | 22 |
Kaiden Guhle | MTL | 21 |
Urho Vaakanainen | ANA | 24 |
Juuso Välimäki | ARI | 24 |
Rasmus Sandin | WSH | 23 |
Martin Fehérváry | WSH | 23 |
Yegor Zamula | PHI | 23 |
Simon Benoit | TOR | 24 |
Pavel Mintyukov | ANA | 19 |
Jordan Harris | MTL | 22 |
Jayden Struble | MTL | 21 |
Scott Perunovich | STL | 24 |
Pierre-Olivier Joseph | PIT | 24 |
Nikita Okhotiuk | CGY | 22 |
Henry Thrun | SJS | 22 |
Arber Xhekaj | MTL | 22 |
Parker Wotherspoon | BOS | 25 |
Ryan Johnson | BUF | 21 |
Mason Lohrei | BOS | 22 |
Alexander Alexeyev | WSH | 23 |
Emil Martinsen Lilleberg | TBL | 22 |
Jacob Bryson | BUF | 25 |
Ryker Evans | SEA | 21 |
Samuel Bolduc | NYI | 22 |
John Ludvig | PIT | 22 |
Isaak Phillips | CHI | 21 |
Wyatt Kaiser | CHI | 20 |
Declan Chisholm | MIN | 23 |
Zachary Jones | NYR | 22 |
Josh Mahura | FLA | 25 |
Tyler Tucker | STL | 23 |
Olen Zellweger | ANA | 19 |
not sure where you pulled this, but several of them have already signed extensions, many of them months ago. nonetheless, i like how you are thinking here about taking advantage of other team's cap issues to find our dtoews.Surveying the league for LD that are still RFAs to see if we can't find our own version of Devon Toews out there. I'd prefer acquiring someone more NHL ready over trying to address the need at the draft (especially with a first and two seconds at our disposal to facilitate a trade). First 50 names sorted by GP in 2023-2024. Obviously some of these guys won't be moved but there are a few names that stand out.
Rangers, Sabres, Canadiens, Senators, Ducks, Caps, Hawks all could be ideal trade partners.
Player TEAM AGE Kevin Bahl NJD 23Cam York PHI 22Luke Hughes NJD 19Rasmus Dahlin BUF 23Alexander Romanov NYI 23K'Andre Miller NYR 23J.J. Moser ARI 23Thomas Harley DAL 21Jake Sanderson OTT 20Dylan Samberg WPG 24Ryan Lindgren NYR 25Erik Brännström OTT 23Alex Vlasic CHI 22Owen Power BUF 20Kevin Korchinski CHI 19Nicolas Hague VGK 24Bowen Byram BUF 22Jake Bean CBJ 25Jackson LaCombe ANA 22Kaiden Guhle MTL 21Urho Vaakanainen ANA 24Juuso Välimäki ARI 24Rasmus Sandin WSH 23Martin Fehérváry WSH 23Yegor Zamula PHI 23Simon Benoit TOR 24Pavel Mintyukov ANA 19Jordan Harris MTL 22Jayden Struble MTL 21Scott Perunovich STL 24Pierre-Olivier Joseph PIT 24Nikita Okhotiuk CGY 22Henry Thrun SJS 22Arber Xhekaj MTL 22Parker Wotherspoon BOS 25Ryan Johnson BUF 21Mason Lohrei BOS 22Alexander Alexeyev WSH 23Emil Martinsen Lilleberg TBL 22Jacob Bryson BUF 25Ryker Evans SEA 21Samuel Bolduc NYI 22John Ludvig PIT 22Isaak Phillips CHI 21Wyatt Kaiser CHI 20Declan Chisholm MIN 23Zachary Jones NYR 22Josh Mahura FLA 25Tyler Tucker STL 23Olen Zellweger ANA 19
Capfriendly, filtered by RFA and left handed D and then sorted by games played. Guess it still classifies guys as RFA even if they've already sign an extension that takes them to UFA.not sure where you pulled this, but several of them have already signed extensions, many of them months ago. nonetheless, i like how you are thinking here about taking advantage of other team's cap issues to find our dtoews.
weird. i use them all the time and never seen glitch like that.Capfriendly, filtered by RFA and left handed D and then sorted by games played. Guess it still classifies guys as RFA even if they've already sign an extension that takes them to UFA.
Without discussing which teams actually have interest, what value pick does Buch + 16OA get us?
Feel free to set a range of picks from unextended Buch to Extended Buch.
A range of 5th to 10thOA based on certainty from other team?
What would it take for you to move him in this scenario?