Blues 2024-2025 Prospect Thread

[MortiestOfMortys]

How was Susuyev's season?

Eh, unspectacular. He played for 5 teams:

• Barnaul Dynamo-Altay [VHL](0 points / 2 games)
• Khimik Voskresensk [VHL](5/12)
• MHK Spartak Moskva [MHL] (4/12)
• Taifun Primorsky Krai [MHL] (8/9)
• Admiral Vladivostok [KHL] (1/7)

Too much bouncing around to get a good rhythm going, and it was certainly a step back after playing 40 games in the KHL last season. I could see Vorobyov coming over soon, and I hope Korotky eventually does. I'm not sure Susuyev has the juice at this point.

 

[barriers]

Korotky goal and assist so far. SKA 1946 up 2-0 after 1

 

[STL fan in MN]

Korotky goal and assist so far. SKA 1946 up 2-0 after 1

Just saw this on Twitter. At what part of the game did this happen?

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Just saw this on Twitter. At what part of the game did this happen?

I like this guy a lot. He can't come over for a few more years (unless he gets out of his contract), but I've got unreasonably high hopes for him at this point.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Korotky wants to play in the NHL.

 

[Beauterham]

Korotky wants to play in the NHL.

Is this just something you think or has he mentioned something like that somewhere?

Don't think he'll attend, as most Russian prospects rarely do, but I'd love to see him at prospect camp so we can see how he does compared to other prospects.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Is this just something you think or has he mentioned something like that somewhere?

Don't think he'll attend, as most Russian prospects rarely do, but I'd love to see him at prospect camp so we can see how he does compared to other prospects.

That’s simply an off-the-cuff quick extrapolation based on how involved he was on that play.

His style screams, I want to play in the NHL!!!!

 

[bleedblue1223]

His contract runs through 2027, which is perfect IMO. He'll get 2 full KHL seasons, and by that point we'll know if it's worth him coming over to either AHL or NHL.

 

[Memento]

His contract runs through 2027, which is perfect IMO. He'll get 2 full KHL seasons, and by that point we'll know if it's worth him coming over to either AHL or NHL.

Susuyev has the same contract length. I haven’t given up on him, either.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Susuyev has the same contract length. I haven’t given up on him, either.

He and Jecho are your guys.

 

[Memento]

He and Jecho are your guys.

Korotky’s another guy.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Korotky’s another guy.

Korotky is my guy. You can’t have him!!! Meow!!!

 

[Memento]

Korotky is my guy. You can’t have him!!! Meow!!!

Who’s the gal who made the Korotky thread on the main prospect forum? Who’s the gal who said Korotky was my favorite pick in the draft aside from Jecho after it was finished?

The defense has no further questions, your Honor…but we can definitely share.

 

[STL fan in MN]

67’s' Matthew Mayich commits to Clarkson University - Ontario Hockey League

Looks like Matthew Mayich will play for Clarkson next season. I would assume his rights will still expire on June 1st (and this would be another signal the Blues don’t intend to sign him) but there is an open question as to how the signing rights will work for these kids that are transferring from Major Jrs to the NCAA. I would hope the NHL would announce that soon as it’ll impact if some kids would be drafted eligible again next month.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

67’s' Matthew Mayich commits to Clarkson University - Ontario Hockey League

Looks like Matthew Mayich will play for Clarkson next season. I would assume his rights will still expire on June 1st (and this would be another signal the Blues don’t intend to sign him) but there is an open question as to how the signing rights will work for these kids that are transferring from Major Jrs to the NCAA. I would hope the NHL would announce that soon as it’ll impact if some kids would be drafted eligible again next month.

Likely that will be part of new CBA that they are hoping to announce next month or so.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Likely that will be part of new CBA that they are hoping to announce next month or so.

Good point. I’ve heard rumblings they’re wanting to announce a CBA extension around the time of the Cup Final. But in the event they don’t, they at least need to clarify how the rights of these kids transferring from the CHL to NCAA will work.

 

[Frenzy31]

Likely that will be part of new CBA that they are hoping to announce next month or so.

Why would his rights expire? If he played another year in JR, they do, but not after two seasons.

 

[barriers]

Just saw this on Twitter. At what part of the game did this happen?

I was at work just stat/highlight watching so I missed that action myself but tomorrow, bright and early (6am CST), free on Youtube, I will be watching Game 7 of the Kharlamov cup finals. Should be spicy!

 

[STL fan in MN]

Why would his rights expire? If he played another year in JR, they do, but not after two seasons.

It’s pretty much always been 2 years for Jr players. Slightly less than 2 years actually as the draft is always in late June and the signing deadline for those players is June 1st 2 years later.

But now those players can go to the NCAA. But the NCAA still maintains that if a player signs an NHL contract, then they lose their amateur status. So it’s a bit of a grey area currently. Would teams now get more time to sign these players or would the rules be based on whatever rule applies to the player based on the league he played in his draft year? That’s the part the NHL and NHLPA need to hammer out now that things have changed.

 

[Brian39]

It’s pretty much always been 2 years for Jr players. Slightly less than 2 years actually as the draft is always in late June and the signing deadline for those players is June 1st 2 years later.

But now those players can go to the NCAA. But the NCAA still maintains that if a player signs an NHL contract, then they lose their amateur status. So it’s a bit of a grey area currently. Would teams now get more time to sign these players or would the rules be based on whatever rule applies to the player based on the league he played in his draft year? That’s the part the NHL and NHLPA need to hammer out now that things have changed.

Barring an actual agreement between the NHL and PA in the next week, I think that that we will lose his signing rights on June 1st. Sucks for the handful of teams impacted, but I don't see a compelling legal argument that the NHL should be able to unilaterally amend the league's CBA to benefit teams just because a different league changed their eligibility rules in a way that gives players more career options.

NHL teams had the ability to sign these kids for 2 years. They either weren't willing to pay the signing bonuses required to do so or the players decided that they would forgo making 6 figures in order to keep their career options open. The fact that the players gained a career option that the league wasn't anticipating (or failed to prepare for) isn't really a compelling reason for the league to be able to change the rules of a Collective Bargaining Agreement without bargaining with the players collectively.

I'm very rarely on the NHL's side when it comes to CBA negotiations, but I think that this is an issue where it is probably in the PA's long-term interest to give the league a 1 year temporary resolution to extend signing rights for these players by 1 season. It's half a dozen total players that aren't even union members yet. One was drafted in the 4th round and the rest were drafted in the 6th or later. I understand that you always want to get something back in a negotiation, but realistically the league doesn't care enough about a few teams losing signing rights to late round picks to offer anything of substance. CBA negotiations are reportedly going well and this would be a pretty low-sacrifice olive branch for the PA to give up.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Barring an actual agreement between the NHL and PA in the next week, I think that that we will lose his signing rights on June 1st. Sucks for the handful of teams impacted, but I don't see a compelling legal argument that the NHL should be able to unilaterally amend the league's CBA to benefit teams just because a different league changed their eligibility rules in a way that gives players more career options.

NHL teams had the ability to sign these kids for 2 years. They either weren't willing to pay the signing bonuses required to do so or the players decided that they would forgo making 6 figures in order to keep their career options open. The fact that the players gained a career option that the league wasn't anticipating (or failed to prepare for) isn't really a compelling reason for the league to be able to change the rules of a Collective Bargaining Agreement without bargaining with the players collectively.

I'm very rarely on the NHL's side when it comes to CBA negotiations, but I think that this is an issue where it is probably in the PA's long-term interest to give the league a 1 year temporary resolution to extend signing rights for these players by 1 season. It's half a dozen total players that aren't even union members yet. One was drafted in the 4th round and the all were drafted in the 6th or later. I understand that you always want to get something back in a negotiation, but realistically the league doesn't care enough about a few teams losing signing rights to late round picks to offer anything of substance. CBA negotiations are reportedly going well and this would be a pretty low-sacrifice olive branch for the PA to give up.

I would agree. If I had to guess at what the solution is most likely to look like, it’d be to just stick with what the rule was when the kid was drafted. So in Mayich’s case, his rights would expire on June 1st. But if the NHL and NHLPA can’t come to an agreement that quickly, then I think a one year push like you suggests makes sense to give them time to work it out.

Perhaps the more interesting scenario is what to do with the kids that will be drafted this summer. Take Malcolm Spence for example. He’s played the last 3 years in the OHL but will be playing for Michigan next season. So is he considered drafted out of the OHL and thus a team has 2 years to sign him or would it be 4 years because he’s going to college hockey? I would imagine it’s the more high profile players like that the lawyers are haggling over more than the Mayiches of the world.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

I wouldn't mind seeing compensatory picks introduced here as a workaround. If you draft someone from a junior league, and they go to the NCAA to get out of signing with your team, you get a comp pick 1 round later than the pick you spent on them (all comp picks in each round would come after the draft order has been cycled through). Or you could just create a compensatory round after round 3, where all teams receiving a comp pick in that draft pick before round 4 commences, regardless of where the player "producing" the comp pick was drafted. It's not perfect, but it provides some relief to teams that lose out on their drafted players. It would also devalue draft picks slightly, which I don't think would be the worst thing in the world.

 

[execwrite1]

Any updates on Koromyslov?

 

[barriers]

Korotky goal, SKA1946 down 1-2

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I would agree. If I had to guess at what the solution is most likely to look like, it’d be to just stick with what the rule was when the kid was drafted. So in Mayich’s case, his rights would expire on June 1st. But if the NHL and NHLPA can’t come to an agreement that quickly, then I think a one year push like you suggests makes sense to give them time to work it out.

Perhaps the more interesting scenario is what to do with the kids that will be drafted this summer. Take Malcolm Spence for example. He’s played the last 3 years in the OHL but will be playing for Michigan next season. So is he considered drafted out of the OHL and thus a team has 2 years to sign him or would it be 4 years because he’s going to college hockey? I would imagine it’s the more high profile players like that the lawyers are haggling over more than the Mayiches of the world.

Thinking outside the box, what if they had a secondary overage draft that players post draft could voluntarily apply for or maintain free agent status with a two year window?