Prospect Info: Blues 2024-2025 Prospect Thread

[SirPaste]

I thought Wheeler's ranking and write ups were pretty fair, he explained basically what we all agree here as well that we have good depth but no real elite talent. I know some are super high on Stancl recently and I'd probably have him a couple spots higher but I thought it was a pretty fair unbiased write up.

 

[Brian39]

I thought Wheeler's ranking and write ups were pretty fair, he explained basically what we all agree here as well that we have good depth but no real elite talent. I know some are super high on Stancl recently and I'd probably have him a couple spots higher but I thought it was a pretty fair unbiased write up.

I agreed with a big chunk of his Blues write up and projections. I agree with Wheeler way more than I agree with Pronman, but I do find that a lot of times I agree with Wheeler's individual opinions/analysis, but then disagree with his conclusions.

For example, reading the Blues/Flames write ups, I leave with the conclusion that the Blues have a better prospect pool. He obviously disagrees and it appears that the rationale is largely (if not exclusively) based on Parekh being a better prospect than any individual prospect we have. I don't disagree with his assessment of Parekh vs our prospects, but I don't think that gap offsets the quantity of higher quality prospects we have or the variety of those prospects that we have.

We have 5 guys before he gets to his 'everyone else' tier while Calgary has just 3. After those top 3 prospects, the guys he has ranked 4th through 7th are all offensively inclined D men whose upside is a bottom pair, PP2 guy. That's 5 D in their top 7 prospect group who will all be competing for similar roles (although you assume Parekh is the clear frontrunner for PP1) and the biggest guy in the group is 6'1." That is a lot of overlapping player type.

I'd take our prospect pool over Calgary's with no hesitation, even if you could guarantee that Parekh would be the best individual player from the two groups.

 

[taylord22]

I agreed with a big chunk of his Blues write up and projections. I agree with Wheeler way more than I agree with Pronman, but I do find that a lot of times I agree with Wheeler's individual opinions/analysis, but then disagree with his conclusions.

For example, reading the Blues/Flames write ups, I leave with the conclusion that the Blues have a better prospect pool. He obviously disagrees and it appears that the rationale is largely (if not exclusively) based on Parekh being a better prospect than any individual prospect we have. I don't disagree with his assessment of Parekh vs our prospects, but I don't think that gap offsets the quantity of higher quality prospects we have or the variety of those prospects that we have.

We have 5 guys before he gets to his 'everyone else' tier while Calgary has just 3. After those top 3 prospects, the guys he has ranked 4th through 7th are all offensively inclined D men whose upside is a bottom pair, PP2 guy. That's 5 D in their top 7 prospect group who will all be competing for similar roles (although you assume Parekh is the clear frontrunner for PP1) and the biggest guy in the group is 6'1." That is a lot of overlapping player type.

I'd take our prospect pool over Calgary's with no hesitation, even if you could guarantee that Parekh would be the best individual player from the two groups.

The separation between “superstar” and “elite” is clear, the separation between “elite” and “top 6” is mostly nonsense. Some objectivity and useful measures, but preference, exposure and group-think are the real drivers.

I like Wheeler. This list is far more consistent and logical than others, but, the separation at the top level is truly a crap shoot on every post draft list.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Rumor on a Swedish site that Sylvegard is going back to Vaxjo in Sweden.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Ducks 12. Even without the recent graduates, I’d still likely put them ahead of ours.

 

[Frenzy31]

i would read the prospect write ups. They have good information. How someone ranks our prospects has 0 effect on how they develop. Does it matter if we are 14 or 7? Honestly not really. As long as the info is correct- strengths and weaknesses the ready really doesn’t matter.

Rumor on a Swedish site that Sylvegard is going back to Vaxjo in Sweden.

Makes sense. If he cant make the big club it is better for him.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

i would read the prospect write ups. They have good information. How someone ranks our prospects has 0 effect on how they develop. Does it matter if we are 14 or 7? Honestly not really. As long as the info is correct- strengths and weaknesses the ready really doesn’t matter.


Makes sense. If he cant make the big club it is better for him.

After seeing Stenberg and Robertsson come in, I would go home too. They both are very talented.

 

[Brian39]

Ducks 12. Even without the recent graduates, I’d still likely put them ahead of ours.

I think I'd take ours, although I like Sennecke a lot. I'm still baffled that he was left of Canada's World Junior roster this year.

I have the Luneau/Solberg duo of D prospects roughly on par Lindstein/Jiricek. I think that I could see arguments in both directions. Jiricek and Luneau both have a development season that was largely lost due to injury. I see a higher floor for the Ducks duo, but I have Jircek as the highest ceiling. Both duos are split righty/lefty and Anaheim's are further along the development path (2022 and 2023 draft class vs 2023 and 2024 draft class). I have a hard time saying that either side has an 'edge' over the other with the duo of D prospects. I think the Ducks duo fits their long-term needs better than our group would and I think our duo meets our long term needs better than theirs would. For arguments sake, if you give the Ducks duo the edge, I wouldn't say the gap is large.

Which leads us to the comparison largely being between Sennecke as a truly top end prospect vs Dvorsky/Snuggy/Stenberg trio of really good prospects before getting into the 'depth' of the pool. I wouldn't trade Dvorsky, Snuggy, and Stenberg for Sennecke. I also wouldn't trade our top 5 prospects for their top 3 prospects.

Anaheim's pool would blow ours out of the water if we included all the U-23 players on NHL rosters. I think they are in the conversation for best pool of U-23 players in the league and they make a case as the best-positioned long-term organizational outlook in the league. But for the criteria of this prospect list, I'm pretty comfortable stacking up our pool vs theirs.

 

[Mike Liut]

I think I'd take ours, although I like Sennecke a lot. I'm still baffled that he was left of Canada's World Junior roster this year.

I have the Luneau/Solberg duo of D prospects roughly on par Lindstein/Jiricek. I think that I could see arguments in both directions. Jiricek and Luneau both have a development season that was largely lost due to injury. I see a higher floor for the Ducks duo, but I have Jircek as the highest ceiling. Both duos are split righty/lefty and Anaheim's are further along the development path (2022 and 2023 draft class vs 2023 and 2024 draft class). I have a hard time saying that either side has an 'edge' over the other with the duo of D prospects. I think the Ducks duo fits their long-term needs better than our group would and I think our duo meets our long term needs better than theirs would. For arguments sake, if you give the Ducks duo the edge, I wouldn't say the gap is large.

Which leads us to the comparison largely being between Sennecke as a truly top end prospect vs Dvorsky/Snuggy/Stenberg trio of really good prospects before getting into the 'depth' of the pool. I wouldn't trade Dvorsky, Snuggy, and Stenberg for Sennecke. I also wouldn't trade our top 5 prospects for their top 3 prospects.

Anaheim's pool would blow ours out of the water if we included all the U-23 players on NHL rosters. I think they are in the conversation for best pool of U-23 players in the league and they make a case as the best-positioned long-term organizational outlook in the league. But for the criteria of this prospect list, I'm pretty comfortable stacking up our pool vs theirs.

So you’re saying starting in 3 years, it’s going to the Blues/Ducks in the conferences finals every year? I’m down

 

[SirPaste]

Rumor on a Swedish site that Sylvegard is going back to Vaxjo in Sweden.

Kerber said this on the radio broadcast last night as well, caught me off guard

 

[EXTRAS]

Too bad about sylvegard
He was decent
Hopefully he comes back to training camp next year.

 

[PocketNines]

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I made it easy, I tried to get rid of everything I have been saying about all our prospects in this thread, there were about 200 posts to delete, not just any that mentioned the word Stancl anywhere.

(I did leave 14 posts up, just the ones about Stancl before the WJC which was the first time I discovered him)

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I think I'd take ours, although I like Sennecke a lot. I'm still baffled that he was left of Canada's World Junior roster this year.

I have the Luneau/Solberg duo of D prospects roughly on par Lindstein/Jiricek. I think that I could see arguments in both directions. Jiricek and Luneau both have a development season that was largely lost due to injury. I see a higher floor for the Ducks duo, but I have Jircek as the highest ceiling. Both duos are split righty/lefty and Anaheim's are further along the development path (2022 and 2023 draft class vs 2023 and 2024 draft class). I have a hard time saying that either side has an 'edge' over the other with the duo of D prospects. I think the Ducks duo fits their long-term needs better than our group would and I think our duo meets our long term needs better than theirs would. For arguments sake, if you give the Ducks duo the edge, I wouldn't say the gap is large.

Which leads us to the comparison largely being between Sennecke as a truly top end prospect vs Dvorsky/Snuggy/Stenberg trio of really good prospects before getting into the 'depth' of the pool. I wouldn't trade Dvorsky, Snuggy, and Stenberg for Sennecke. I also wouldn't trade our top 5 prospects for their top 3 prospects.

Anaheim's pool would blow ours out of the water if we included all the U-23 players on NHL rosters. I think they are in the conversation for best pool of U-23 players in the league and they make a case as the best-positioned long-term organizational outlook in the league. But for the criteria of this prospect list, I'm pretty comfortable stacking up our pool vs theirs.

I don’t disagree other than to say that Sennecke is I think a level above anyone we have and that is likely more valuable than our better 4-6 guys. But I wouldn’t object with ranking us over them. We are both far better than Flames.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

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I made it easy, I tried to get rid of everything I have been saying about all our prospects in this thread, there were about 200 posts to delete, not just any that mentioned the word Stancl anywhere.

(I did leave 14 posts up, just the ones about Stancl before the WJC which was the first time I discovered him)

This seems like well adjusted healthy behavior.

 

[PocketNines]

This seems like well adjusted healthy behavior.

You thanked me with appreciation back in Dec but I didn't respond because I knew you weren't sincere

Always entitling yourself to comment to me about what you think of me.