Prospect Info: Blues 2021-2022 Prospects Thread Part 2

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I would wager that it is better for Neighbours development to marinate in the minors than to become an NHL guy too fast. He is ready or close to ready to being an NHL player, but offensively he has potential that I am not sure he develops without playing lesser competition. He has pieces, but he has to figure out the puzzle. I think it’s hard to do that at the NHL level if you come in prematurely. I would expect stunted growth offensively of that occurs.
Could go either way. Schwartz was someone that in his rookie year, his complete game was ready, but his offensive production wasn't, and even in Peoria it wasn't as high as you would've hoped, just a 47 point pace. He played on the Backes line in the playoffs, and the next season he hit 56 points. I see Neighbours kind of doing that.

Even Tage Thompson who was definitely up too early, and even up too early in Buffalo, and then he exploded this season. I think the players that figure it out, will eventually figure it out whether they are in juniors, minors, or pros. I think coaching does matter a bit, but the bulk is just up to the player.
 

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I would wager that it is better for Neighbours development to marinate in the minors than to become an NHL guy too fast. He is ready or close to ready to being an NHL player, but offensively he has potential that I am not sure he develops without playing lesser competition. He has pieces, but he has to figure out the puzzle. I think it’s hard to do that at the NHL level if you come in prematurely. I would expect stunted growth offensively of that occurs.
Certainly possible.

Other than Toropchenko, Neighbors is likely our most NHL ready prospect. And there’s a spot waiting for him (or someone) to grab in camp. My guess is he makes the team and is just fine for it.

That said, I’d likely list him as our 2nd best prospect, maybe even 3rd. Neighbors has solid all-around attributes but he doesn’t really stand out a ton in Jrs with his skill. I’d project him as a 3rd line winger. Bolduc projects as more of a 2nd line winger. And Snuggerud has 2nd - 3rd line potential. The main thing Neighbors has going for him is that he’s solid all-around and a bit older than the other two and thus is further along in his development and thus closer to NHL ready. But if I had to guess, by the time all of their careers are over, I’d guess Bolduc and Snuggerud end up as slightly better/more valuable players.
 

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Certainly possible.

Other than Toropchenko, Neighbors is likely our most NHL ready prospect. And there’s a spot waiting for him (or someone) to grab in camp. My guess is he makes the team and is just fine for it.

That said, I’d likely list him as our 2nd best prospect, maybe even 3rd. Neighbors has solid all-around attributes but he doesn’t really stand out a ton in Jrs with his skill. I’d project him as a 3rd line winger. Bolduc projects as more of a 2nd line winger. And Snuggerud has 2nd - 3rd line potential. The main thing Neighbors has going for him is that he’s solid all-around and a bit older than the other two and thus is further along in his development and thus closer to NHL ready. But if I had to guess, by the time all of their careers are over, I’d guess Bolduc and Snuggerud end up as slightly better/more valuable players.
I'm guessing that Bolduc will be a higher SCORER than Neighbours. But that, alone, won't necessarily make him more valuable. Schenn, for example, is more valuable than a lot of forwards who score significantly more points (or even goals) than he does. I think Neighbours' play and worth has a similar relationship to Bolduc's. The former's all-around game is much better than the latter's. And there is no guarantee that Bolduc will bring up the non-scoring areas of his game, significantly. I'm hoping that he will. But, until then, Neighbours is more NHL ready.
 
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Could go either way. Schwartz was someone that in his rookie year, his complete game was ready, but his offensive production wasn't, and even in Peoria it wasn't as high as you would've hoped, just a 47 point pace. He played on the Backes line in the playoffs, and the next season he hit 56 points. I see Neighbours kind of doing that.

Even Tage Thompson who was definitely up too early, and even up too early in Buffalo, and then he exploded this season. I think the players that figure it out, will eventually figure it out whether they are in juniors, minors, or pros. I think coaching does matter a bit, but the bulk is just up to the player.
For me Schwartz was ready offensively, but the question was how he would fair physically as a smaller guy. His offense was always there in the NCAA as a top point producer. He was a tenacious and well rounded player. I felt comfortable with him jumping in early.

Thompson was a different one. He was used to being the guy in a program that had little else. His all around game needed much work and he needed to learn how to use his teammates since he couldn’t be the one man show against better competition. He was rushed and it wasted a couple years shaved off his prime IMO. I also want to see if he can follow up this season with a repeat performance, but admittedly there are a lot of guys across the NHL that I want to see if they can repeat (Barbashev anyone?).
 
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Certainly possible.

Other than Toropchenko, Neighbors is likely our most NHL ready prospect. And there’s a spot waiting for him (or someone) to grab in camp. My guess is he makes the team and is just fine for it.

That said, I’d likely list him as our 2nd best prospect, maybe even 3rd. Neighbors has solid all-around attributes but he doesn’t really stand out a ton in Jrs with his skill. I’d project him as a 3rd line winger. Bolduc projects as more of a 2nd line winger. And Snuggerud has 2nd - 3rd line potential. The main thing Neighbors has going for him is that he’s solid all-around and a bit older than the other two and thus is further along in his development and thus closer to NHL ready. But if I had to guess, by the time all of their careers are over, I’d guess Bolduc and Snuggerud end up as slightly better/more valuable players.
I don’t disagree with anything here too much.

I do think Neighbours will make the team. He will be one of the Blues best options. For this season it makes sense to have him on the roster as we look to flesh out the best lineup possible. However, I think he as an individual player/asset would be better off marinating a bit longer. If he makes the team and stays there, I have little doubt he will be an NHLer. I just think bringing him in this fast will curb his offensive potential at least in the mid-term, if not the long-term.

He seems to have good positioning, a decent shot and pass. His vision is almost there due to his positioning and drive/motor. I do think his positioning hides some deficiencies in his vision though. He just is a half step behind on connecting on all three areas IMO. The technical can be fairly easily learned during before/after practice sessions or those with skills coaches. The vision is something the player pretty much solely owns in comparison (yes, video and coaching can help…just not as much as the technical skills and positioning aspects). It’s the visioning that I think is better suited for growth in the minors. You have to be able to learn how to connect on tough plays to execute good vision. Players can tend to feel too far off on some to many of those plays when making the jump from junior/college to the NHL to the point where they quit trying them because the get picked off or miss their intended target, causing a turnover. You cannot afford to make those mistakes in the NHL because of the competition, because your line mates think and execute faster and because it’s not a development league/too much is on the line for competing clubs. These make honing those skills more difficult in the NHL. The difference between making those plays and not making them is quite a bit less in the AHL than juniors/college. Going the AHL route also means you are making a smaller jump in speed and quality of play, therefore making smaller evolutions in your game, which are easier to achieve.

I could see Neighbours having a similar usage and progression as Barbashev at the NHL level. Barbashev has floated all over the lineup because he has more skill than the average 4th liner and eventually produced more to the point where he was at 3rd line level. It took years to get there. The only difference is Barby had the benefit of AHL seasoning, which Neighbours may end up getting. I could also see Neighbours having a career year/peak similar to how I projected Barbashev (+/-50pts) .
*Barbashev really surpassed expectations/projections this year, but it feels like an anomaly to me. I will be interested if he can come close to repeating.

I generally agree with you assessments of the three prospects. I would have them evaluated similarly. Bolduc has the highest ceiling and lowest floor. I could see him as a low end 1st line trigger man if every single thing went right, but a more realistic ceiling is 2nd line upside. I think he has to be a top 9 player or he won’t be in the NHL. The 4th line doesn’t make sense for his game as it stands today.

Snuggy and Neighbours have similar floors and ceilings to me. It’s a bit harder projecting Snugs since I haven’t seen him as much. But, based on highlights and other viewings, they seem fairly similar as players.
 
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I'm guessing that Bolduc will be a higher SCORER than Neighbours. But that, alone, won't necessarily make him more valuable. Schenn, for example, is more valuable than a lot of forwards who score significantly more points (or even goals) than he does. I think Neighbours' play and worth has a similar relationship to Bolduc's. The former's all-around game is much better than the latter's. And there is no guarantee that Bolduc will bring up the non-scoring areas of his game, significantly. I'm hoping that he will. But, until then, Neighbours is more NHL ready.
I don’t necessarily disagree with any of this. I just simply value the attributes of Bolduc and his risk/reward formula more than Neighbors. But both are quality prospects.
 

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I don’t disagree with anything here too much.

I do think Neighbours will make the team. He will be one of the Blues best options. For this season it makes sense to have him on the roster as we look to flesh out the best lineup possible. However, I think he as an individual player/asset would be better off marinating a bit longer. If he makes the team and stays there, I have little doubt he will be an NHLer. I just think bringing him in this fast will curb his offensive potential at least in the mid-term, if not the long-term.

He seems to have good positioning, a decent shot and pass. His vision is almost there due to his positioning and drive/motor. I do think his positioning hides some deficiencies in his vision though. He just is a half step behind on connecting on all three areas IMO. The technical can be fairly easily learned during before/after practice sessions or those with skills coaches. The vision is something the player pretty much solely owns in comparison (yes, video and coaching can help…just not as much as the technical skills and positioning aspects). It’s the visioning that I think is better suited for growth in the minors. You have to be able to learn how to connect on tough plays to execute good vision. Players can tend to feel too far off on some to many of those plays when making the jump from junior/college to the NHL to the point where they quit trying them because the get picked off or miss their intended target, causing a turnover. You cannot afford to make those mistakes in the NHL because of the competition, because your line mates think and execute faster and because it’s not a development league/too much is on the line for competing clubs. These make honing those skills more difficult in the NHL. The difference between making those plays and not making them is quite a bit less in the AHL than juniors/college. Going the AHL route also means you are making a smaller jump in speed and quality of play, therefore making smaller evolutions in your game, which are easier to achieve.

I could see Neighbours having a similar usage and progression as Barbashev at the NHL level. Barbashev has floated all over the lineup because he has more skill than the average 4th liner and eventually produced more to the point where he was at 3rd line level. It took years to get there. The only difference is Barby had the benefit of AHL seasoning, which Neighbours may end up getting. I could also see Neighbours having a career year/peak similar to how I projected Barbashev (+/-50pts) .
*Barbashev really surpassed expectations/projections this year, but it feels like an anomaly to me. I will be interested if he can come close to repeating.

I generally agree with you assessments of the three prospects. I would have them evaluated similarly. Bolduc has the highest ceiling and lowest floor. I could see him as a low end 1st line trigger man if every single thing went right, but a more realistic ceiling is 2nd line upside. I think he has to be a top 9 player or he won’t be in the NHL. The 4th line doesn’t make sense for his game as it stands today.

Snuggy and Neighbours have similar floors and ceilings to me. It’s a bit harder projecting Snugs since I haven’t seen him as much. But, based on highlights and other viewings, they seem fairly similar as players.
I agree with this, and both would benefit from starting their Pro careers playing their entire first year in The AHL. But, because of the flat Cap year, and The Blues still wanting to compete to go as far as possible in the playoffs, I think they will feel compelled to start Neighbours in The NHL from the season's opening. Bolduc's game without the puck (and really, even carrying the puck), is too shaky to play him in The NHL at this point, regardless of his scoring ability. Snuggerud's overall game is similar to Neighbours in most areas, but his shooting is more effective, which would give him a small advantage had they been vying for the same position opening in the same year of their experience.
 
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Bolduc + Neighbours = Tarasenko + Schwartz??
Seems like a generous comparison. I would say Tarasenko and Schwartz were sure fire 1st liners in their prime. I think we will be very lucky if both Bolduc and Neighbours both pan out as 2nd liners.

Stylistically at a very general level you have an offensive first shooter and a two-way guy with a motor in both groups, but I think the comparisons don’t go much further.
 

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I would wager that it is better for Neighbours development to marinate in the minors than to become an NHL guy too fast. He is ready or close to ready to being an NHL player, but offensively he has potential that I am not sure he develops without playing lesser competition. He has pieces, but he has to figure out the puzzle. I think it’s hard to do that at the NHL level if you come in prematurely. I would expect stunted growth offensively of that occurs.

When Dylan Gunthier wasn't there to drive his line, Neighbors went quiet in Edmonton. He definitely needs to round out his game before he plays full-time at this level.
 
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When Dylan Gunthier wasn't there to drive his line, Neighbors went quiet in Edmonton. He definitely needs to round out his game before he plays full-time at this level.
Neighbours already confirmed he was playing through an injury down the stretch and into the postseason. People are looking too far into his production there.
 
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Neighbours already confirmed he was playing through an injury down the stretch and into the postseason. People are looking too far into his production there.
Yep, and his game in the nhl isn't predicated on being a primary play driver a la thomas or kyrou. More so a complimentary winger that can (hopefully) play up and down your lineup on any line and provide consistent Energy, physicality & heaviness on pucks with (hopefully) quality point production in the realm of a 50+ pt (trying to be conservative) versatile all situations type warrior in his prime with surprisingly better playmaking/distributing ability than I thought he'd have.
 

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Yep, and his game in the nhl isn't predicated on being a primary play driver a la thomas or kyrou. More so a complimentary winger that can (hopefully) play up and down your lineup on any line and provide consistent Energy, physicality & heaviness on pucks with (hopefully) quality point production in the realm of a 50+ pt (trying to be conservative) versatile all situations type warrior in his prime with surprisingly better playmaking/distributing ability than I thought he'd have.
Put another way, I think the hope is basically Schenn-lite with less face offs.
 

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Put another way, I think the hope is basically Schenn-lite with less face offs.
I hope he's less frustrating then schenn lol but yeah for the most part. I think neighbours has potential to be a higher IQ version of schenn, but with less pure skill/scoring touch.
 

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I think we should base it on preseason and work things from there. No set number of games, unless you earn it.
 

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Might not be bad for Bolduc to get 9 game while Neighbours is in the AHL and then Neighbours comes up after the trial.
An interesting option as it may be hard for the Blues to justify keeping both at the same time. Especially if they have to only keep 13 forwards and go with a 22-man roster instead of the usual 23.

This is why finding a way to jettison Schandella would be so helpful. If Scandella stays, then that likely leads to keeping 1 less forward and Perunovich starting in the minors. With Scandella gone, Perunovich starts with the Blues (as he almost assuredly should) and they can keep 14 forwards on the roster and still be Cap compliant.
 
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Replace Toropchenko with Kostin on the current 22 man roster that only has 625K room.

I don't see how either Bolduc or Neighbors can get a look on the roster without another subtraction.
 
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