Movies: Blue Beetle

[beowulf]

I had heard good reviews etc but $25M is really underperforming especially given Barbie made another $22M.

 

[StreetHawk]

I am pretty sure that people knew of Aquaman because of the Justice League.

Making a Blue Beetle movie would be like if Marvel made a solo movie for Ms. Marvel. Those characters are too obscure and simply don't have the mass appeal necessary to carry a movie on their own.

Tv showed Aquaman, back to the 80’s as part of the Justice League. Not a founder of the justice league animated series over a decade ago. Plus his look has changed from clean cut short hair to long with a beard and lost a hand to back to clean cut.

Your top movies are the members of the Justice league and avengers.

Marvel has F4 and Spidey plus Xmen. Many more options.

DC it’s the big 6/7 of Bats, WW, Sups, Flash, GL, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.
No real other sub groups as a comps to F4 really. Titans is a junior version of the justice league for the most part.

You can want all the diversity you want but it’s a challenge to introduce a Shang Shi or Blue Beetle who are not very well known.

Most are only going to know the really big names.

Be like Star Wars with Luke, Leia, Han and Vander. Only die hares know Lando, Bobo after, etc.

 

[I am not exposed]

I like it has Xolo from Cobra Kai.

But not enough to watch it at the cinema. Saying that, I never go to the cinema these days. I will wait to stream this.

 

[RandV]

Without knowing anything about it other than the trailer Blue Beetle just doesn't really bring anything new to the table. Basically a radioactive beetle bights a young guy and he becomes Ironman?

Just on the DC side for example something like Shazaam isn't well known and is kind of the same thing but you watch the trailer and yeah at least it looks like silly fun. Blue Beetle on the other hand just looks like a very bland SpiderIronMan knock off.

 

[beowulf]

Without knowing anything about it other than the trailer Blue Beetle just doesn't really bring anything new to the table. Basically a radioactive beetle bights a young guy and he becomes Ironman?

Just on the DC side for example something like Shazaam isn't well known and is kind of the same thing but you watch the trailer and yeah at least it looks like silly fun. Blue Beetle on the other hand just looks like a very bland SpiderIronMan knock off.

LOL not at all...the blue beetle is powered by the Scarabs, a hive-mind native to Space Sector 2. The Scarabs were living weapons, genetically engineered by the Reach and programmed to be obedient to them. The typical plan was to leave a Scarab and its database on an inhabited world; when that planet reached certain technological milestones, the Scarab would activate and bond to one of the native inhabitants. The Scarab would overwrite the host's personality with the Reach's programming, creating an infiltrator in the Reach's service, armed with the Scarab's vast range of lethal weapons. Millennia ago, the Reach secreted one of the Scarabs on Earth, awaiting the day when it would awaken and summon its masters.

 

[StreetHawk]

LOL not at all...the blue beetle is powered by the Scarabs, a hive-mind native to Space Sector 2. The Scarabs were living weapons, genetically engineered by the Reach and programmed to be obedient to them. The typical plan was to leave a Scarab and its database on an inhabited world; when that planet reached certain technological milestones, the Scarab would activate and bond to one of the native inhabitants. The Scarab would overwrite the host's personality with the Reach's programming, creating an infiltrator in the Reach's service, armed with the Scarab's vast range of lethal weapons. Millennia ago, the Reach secreted one of the Scarabs on Earth, awaiting the day when it would awaken and summon its masters.

You know it, but most do not.

When DC goes beyond the JL core 7 characters, WW, Bats, Sups, Flash, GL, Aqua, MM, they need to be tighter on the scripts, casting, and director. Like Guardians. I never even heard of them prior to the movies. Didn't think it would work, but it did. Ant-man, is a regular member of the Avengers, he was on the TV series with wasp and co. So, more people probably heard about him. His first 2 movies were never expected to do $750 mill or anything.

Marvel did the wise thing first, establish Ironman, cap, Thor, and added Hulk (who had 2 movies, but with other leads), Widow and Hawkeye who cameoed and then were part of the avengers that worked for Shield. Establish that world first, then add in Black Panther and Guardians who didn't interact with them until Infinity War. Add in Spidey as well and in a round about way, Cap. Marvel.

Have to connect the lesser knowns to the core group.

 

[Satans Hockey]

George Lopez was hilarious in this, had no idea that Susan Surandon was in it, didn't see her once in the trailers.

It doesn't do anything new or super creative but the family is entertaining and very endearing, it's well acted and it has some good actions scenes. Didn't look like a ton of cgi either which was refreshing as well and probably why the budget was much lower as someone else was commenting about the low budget prior in here.

 

[Roo Returns]

You know it, but most do not.

When DC goes beyond the JL core 7 characters, WW, Bats, Sups, Flash, GL, Aqua, MM, they need to be tighter on the scripts, casting, and director. Like Guardians. I never even heard of them prior to the movies. Didn't think it would work, but it did. Ant-man, is a regular member of the Avengers, he was on the TV series with wasp and co. So, more people probably heard about him. His first 2 movies were never expected to do $750 mill or anything.

Marvel did the wise thing first, establish Ironman, cap, Thor, and added Hulk (who had 2 movies, but with other leads), Widow and Hawkeye who cameoed and then were part of the avengers that worked for Shield. Establish that world first, then add in Black Panther and Guardians who didn't interact with them until Infinity War. Add in Spidey as well and in a round about way, Cap. Marvel.

Have to connect the lesser knowns to the core group.

DC is weird because you're right with the main 7 but also some of the Vertigo like Constantine, Sandman, Swamp Thing, and also Watchmen and V For Vendetta are very well known but not associated with DC.

Marvel also got lucky with their "we're dysfunctional and going to make pop culture references" formula until everyone caught on and got sick of it. Especially with Guardians who no one read.

I'd say the issue with Blue Beetle from what I heard is just that. It tries to be dysfunctional and witty. That trope is cooked.

 

[StreetHawk]

DC is weird because you're right with the main 7 but also some of the Vertigo like Constantine, Sandman, Swamp Thing, and also Watchmen and V For Vendetta are very well known but not associated with DC.

Marvel also got lucky with their "we're dysfunctional and going to make pop culture references" formula until everyone caught on and got sick of it. Especially with Guardians who no one read.

I'd say the issue with Blue Beetle from what I heard is just that. It tries to be dysfunctional and witty. That trope is cooked.

Those all came out a while ago when DC was not trying to create a connected universe.

Are they really going to make more Pattinson Batman movies with the DC reboot coming? Think you like to have a break before a new Batman is cast.

That's why I don't think it is wise to start the DC reboot with anything other than the core 7 to start. If that does well, then you can layer in the less well known characters.

 

[zombie kopitar]

Will Mamoa be Aquaman still? They would be idiots not to keep him if he's keen to do it

Also just a side note, I think it's a travesty John Hamm has never been Bruce Wayne, he's probably too old now, but I can't see how they don't have better success with him over Affleck

Super Hero movies suck tho

 

[Roo Returns]

Will Mamoa be Aquaman still? They would be idiots not to keep him if he's keen to do it

Also just a side note, I think it's a travesty John Hamm has never been Bruce Wayne, he's probably too old now, but I can't see how they don't have better success with him over Affleck

Super Hero movies suck tho

Not a fan of Mamoa's take on Aquaman. I know it's the modern version, but I'd prefer something more in line with the classic one most people who pay for these movies remember.

DC missed two golden opportunities to make money:

-Jon Stewart as Green Lantern

-Lobo (as an answer to Deadpool)

Both of those were so easy to do.

With the Flash movie and acknowledging multiverses, if they did something like Nicholas Cage as Superman and Adrian Grenier from Entourage as Aquaman vs. the Cavill and Momoa versions, that would generate so much positive buzz.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

Not a fan of Mamoa's take on Aquaman. I know it's the modern version, but I'd prefer something more in line with the classic one most people who pay for these movies remember.

DC missed two golden opportunities to make money:

-Jon Stewart as Green Lantern

-Lobo (as an answer to Deadpool)

Both of those were so easy to do.

With the Flash movie and acknowledging multiverses, if they did something like Nicholas Cage as Superman and Adrian Grenier from Entourage as Aquaman vs. the Cavill and Momoa versions, that would generate so much positive buzz.

The prevailing theory is that Aquaman II, which is the end of the original DCEU, will end with something happening to Mamoa’s Aquaman that takes him to the DCU where he becomes…

Lobo.

 

[Ceremony]

I mean no one's actually seriously calling Batman a fascist but the joke is his primary super power is being rich. Then using that wealth he dresses up in expensive high tech gear to go out at night and beats up what are essentially poor people.

Interesting interpretation (violent criminals = poor people). I guess I never associated Batman's motivation and activities to be based on eradicating the least fortunate. Haha then to Mr. Lopez.

I'd just like to add that Batman's villains are largely all mentally ill people too, can't forget that.

 

[StreetHawk]

I'd just like to add that Batman's villains are largely all mentally ill people too, can't forget that.

true, he doesn't have a Lex Luthor, just a guy with over the top lofty goals in life.

Joker, Penguin, Ivy, Bane, Two-Face, Riddler, most have an issue.

Probably the most normal is Catwoman for being a thief.

Bats has no superpowers, so he can't be fighting people with abilities.

 

[Osprey]

Batman doesn't go after them for being poor or mentally ill, though, but for being bad. He also tries to not kill them, but take them alive so that they can be sent to the asylum. He just does what the authorities would, if they could.

 

[Roo Returns]

The prevailing theory is that Aquaman II, which is the end of the original DCEU, will end with something happening to Mamoa’s Aquaman that takes him to the DCU where he becomes…

Lobo.

I'd still get a new actor to voice Lobo. Mamoa is too one note. He can smirk and be sarcastic.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I stopped caring about super hero movies long ago outside of Batman, hard for me to really care about any of them, considering there's just so damn many and I'm not really into action films much anymore.

Saw the trailer before the Barbie movie and it just didn't do anything for me. Cool concept and seems like it would be fun for a video game, but a pretty generic looking movie mostly.

 

[StreetHawk]

I stopped caring about super hero movies long ago outside of Batman, hard for me to really care about any of them, considering there's just so damn many and I'm not really into action films much anymore.

Saw the trailer before the Barbie movie and it just didn't do anything for me. Cool concept and seems like it would be fun for a video game, but a pretty generic looking movie mostly.

To each their own. Probably not investing in the lesser known ones, if the rest of the core isn't well developed. DC needed to take their time. Marvel had the head start. Rushed a JL movie out before establishing their trio of Bats (Affleck) and WW with only Sups getting his solo movie and for whatever reason, wanted to do a Bat/Sups confrontation.

Time to realize, just cause, it's Marvel or DC, doesn't mean you can just put something out there and it will do well. That time has come and gone.

 

[Osprey]