Volodya Krutov
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What's the purpose for Tampa to trade a key player for peanuts then ? We all know Yzerman's modus operandi, he won't trade a guy just for the sake of making a move.
McKenzie: Bishop will be moved at some point
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What's the purpose for Tampa to trade a key player for peanuts then ? We all know Yzerman's modus operandi, he won't trade a guy just for the sake of making a move.
Empoleon8771
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No, I mean that Bishop's salary will be a quarter of what he's making now. He wouldn't be traded for peanuts at all.
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Lots of good stuff in this thread...
Couldn't agree more. Lightning are better off just letting him play out his deal during their Cup run, and "exposing" him in the Expansion Draft. Depending on how their roster shakes out, Las Vegas getting an exclusive negotiating window with a potential #1 goalie for their franchise could be huge.
I agree with this, but only to a certain extent. See the bolded below:
The Sabres were out of the playoffs when they traded Miller, while Bishop looks to be a key part of the TB Cup run. Unless Vasi has completely taken over the #1 job, I don't think Yzerman will get a good enough return at the trade deadline to make it worthwhile to move him.
Fleury to Dallas makes too much sense. Nill specifically signed Niemi, so I'd imagine Lehtonen would go the other way - if Murray looks good enough to handle being the #1 goalie before the deadline, I could see a deal there: the Stars could protect Fleury for expansion, and the Pens would only have to pay Lehtonen one year to be Murray's backup.
Since the buyout window is closed, I assume you mean next summer - in which case, I certainly agree. Though the timing could be a little tricky:
- I believe the buyout window will open before the protected lists have to be submitted. I wonder if the Coyotes will expose Smith in hopes that LV takes him - but at the same time, (in my scenario) Bishop will also be exposed, so LV would have to decide if they want a goalie with two more years on his deal or a potential UFA.
- In that case, the Coyotes should probably just go ahead and buyout Smith and trade for Bishop's rights, leaving Domingue exposed for expansion. They don't need Bishop for this season (they can run with Smith), and the cost to acquire his rights shouldn't be much. And it allows TB to keep Bishop for this season.
Couldn't agree more. Lightning are better off just letting him play out his deal during their Cup run, and "exposing" him in the Expansion Draft. Depending on how their roster shakes out, Las Vegas getting an exclusive negotiating window with a potential #1 goalie for their franchise could be huge.
I agree with this, but only to a certain extent. See the bolded below:
The Sabres were out of the playoffs when they traded Miller, while Bishop looks to be a key part of the TB Cup run. Unless Vasi has completely taken over the #1 job, I don't think Yzerman will get a good enough return at the trade deadline to make it worthwhile to move him.
Fleury to Dallas makes too much sense. Nill specifically signed Niemi, so I'd imagine Lehtonen would go the other way - if Murray looks good enough to handle being the #1 goalie before the deadline, I could see a deal there: the Stars could protect Fleury for expansion, and the Pens would only have to pay Lehtonen one year to be Murray's backup.
Since the buyout window is closed, I assume you mean next summer - in which case, I certainly agree. Though the timing could be a little tricky:
- I believe the buyout window will open before the protected lists have to be submitted. I wonder if the Coyotes will expose Smith in hopes that LV takes him - but at the same time, (in my scenario) Bishop will also be exposed, so LV would have to decide if they want a goalie with two more years on his deal or a potential UFA.
- In that case, the Coyotes should probably just go ahead and buyout Smith and trade for Bishop's rights, leaving Domingue exposed for expansion. They don't need Bishop for this season (they can run with Smith), and the cost to acquire his rights shouldn't be much. And it allows TB to keep Bishop for this season.
stokes84
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I don't understand the thought process behind ponying up for a big name goalie these days. It's like paying big assets for a halfback in the NFL.
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MrClutch86
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I would probably rather let him walk as a free agent, unless the only way to sign Kucherov is trading Bishop before the season.
Is there any other way? I think Kucherov should be asking for more than Stamkos. Nothing close to 6 million should get him signed
MrClutch86
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I think they are desperately trying to move Filppula. Maybe they will move Condra and sqeeze Kucherov in, but i'm not sure how that would work.
If Tampa wanted to trade Bishop they should have done it at the draft, his value decreased right around July 2 when most teams had their goaltending tandems set. Only way I can see a trade now is if they take a big but lesser contract back(which sort of defeats the purpose why they might want to move Bishop)
All that being said I can see the Islanders having some interest(if they can do a trade and sign).
Halak(2 years @ 4.5M) + 1st
All that being said I can see the Islanders having some interest(if they can do a trade and sign).
Halak(2 years @ 4.5M) + 1st
DudeWhereIsMakar
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I'd take Bishop of Vasilevsky if anything at this point. Bishop is usually more solid in net, Vas is easy to outplay I find.
It's hard judging goalies. In general most goalies really don't hit their peak till 25+
Xspyrit
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Niemi (2 x 4.5) for MacArthur (4 x 4.65)?
If the Stars are ready to LTIR MacArthur (assuming his contract wasn't insured and he is forced to retire) and pay 18.6 in salary without taking any cap... then it's possible.
Ottawa saves budget money and auditions Niemi to replace Anderson down the road
TheThunderYears
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The Bolts are all in for a Cup this year. Barring a complete team meltdown by the trade deadline, I think we'll hold onto Bishop and let him walk after the year. Vasy is ready to be a number 1 in the NHL- but Bishop is still better at this point. In addition, Bish's ability to move the puck covers up some defensive deficiencies and is oft key to our up ice rush. I can't see Yzerman doing anything to hinder our chance at a championship this year.
Dabeast
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Tampa fans here need a dose of reality
Too many Tampa fans taking into account future deals for Johnson, Palat, Drouin, Kucherov. You can't afford to take on the retention on a goalie for two years because you have to dole out three new contracts next summer? What you need is a cold dose of reality.
I am a firm believer in Stevie Y -- I think he's the best GM in the league right now by several strides -- but this isn't the early 2000's. Jesus Christ himself couldn't keep all of the players that Lightning fans believe they will retain. That's the point of a salary cap. Look at the perennial cup contenders. Chicago has three foundation-level players: Toews, Kane, Keith. A good portion of their fans believed there's no chance a guy like Sharp gets moved, even as the franchise was forced to move on from other valuable players year after year. Pittsburgh has three core players: Malkin, Letang, Crosby. They lost Neal, Jordan Staal, etc, because they had no choice. LA has three core pieces -- Kopitar, Doughty, Quick.
Tampa has committed to two foundation pieces so far -- Stamkos and Hedman. Stevie Y isn't deluding himself into thinking he can retain all of the players that fans name. He knows he can pick one more, or maybe two, if he can manage to unload Callahan and Filppula.
They haven't signed Kucherov yet because they haven't decided who that third and final core player needs to be. If Vas falls flat -- which I think is a very long shot, in the minds of TB management -- then maybe it is BISHOP himself who needs to be that third piece. If not, who do they pick out of Kucherov, Johnson, and Palat?
There is almost NO feasible scenario where TB will need to offer new contracts to all four of those players (the triplets and Drouin) before 2017-2018. Stevie Y must understand that, and once he establishes his core players, the other players become movable assets. If Yzerman needs to move a Palat, Kucherov, or Johnson, and take back some salary in return to build a better OVERALL team that is going to be competitive for more than just ONE upcoming season, he will do it.
Too many Tampa fans taking into account future deals for Johnson, Palat, Drouin, Kucherov. You can't afford to take on the retention on a goalie for two years because you have to dole out three new contracts next summer? What you need is a cold dose of reality.
I am a firm believer in Stevie Y -- I think he's the best GM in the league right now by several strides -- but this isn't the early 2000's. Jesus Christ himself couldn't keep all of the players that Lightning fans believe they will retain. That's the point of a salary cap. Look at the perennial cup contenders. Chicago has three foundation-level players: Toews, Kane, Keith. A good portion of their fans believed there's no chance a guy like Sharp gets moved, even as the franchise was forced to move on from other valuable players year after year. Pittsburgh has three core players: Malkin, Letang, Crosby. They lost Neal, Jordan Staal, etc, because they had no choice. LA has three core pieces -- Kopitar, Doughty, Quick.
Tampa has committed to two foundation pieces so far -- Stamkos and Hedman. Stevie Y isn't deluding himself into thinking he can retain all of the players that fans name. He knows he can pick one more, or maybe two, if he can manage to unload Callahan and Filppula.
They haven't signed Kucherov yet because they haven't decided who that third and final core player needs to be. If Vas falls flat -- which I think is a very long shot, in the minds of TB management -- then maybe it is BISHOP himself who needs to be that third piece. If not, who do they pick out of Kucherov, Johnson, and Palat?
There is almost NO feasible scenario where TB will need to offer new contracts to all four of those players (the triplets and Drouin) before 2017-2018. Stevie Y must understand that, and once he establishes his core players, the other players become movable assets. If Yzerman needs to move a Palat, Kucherov, or Johnson, and take back some salary in return to build a better OVERALL team that is going to be competitive for more than just ONE upcoming season, he will do it.
Bob must have been so bored today. It's almost that he could have said that he had been to the bathroom 4 times during one day and it would have been more interesting.
Bishop on the move was news in late May early June, not in late September. It feels like they have to write something so we don't forget they exist.
Teams that would need Bishop would be:
Dallas
Calgary (depending on how good Elliott preformes)
St Louis (same as above, this time Allen)
Ottawa
NYI
Vancouver
Arizona
Nashville (Rinne hasn't looked good in my eyes, feels like he is on the decline)
Bishop on the move was news in late May early June, not in late September. It feels like they have to write something so we don't forget they exist.
Teams that would need Bishop would be:
Dallas
Calgary (depending on how good Elliott preformes)
St Louis (same as above, this time Allen)
Ottawa
NYI
Vancouver
Arizona
Nashville (Rinne hasn't looked good in my eyes, feels like he is on the decline)
Ducks in a row
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Ducks have Gibson and Bernier for this season and Gibson is our goalie for the future so why would we be trading for Bishop?
If Gibson isn't ready we still wouldn't be trading for Bishop who would be a rental.
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