How aggressive should the Leafs be at the deadline? Whimper or All In?

[arso40]

What would it take to get Mario Ferraro from San Jose - - Minten plus a mid round draft pick to a third team for salary retention?

Ferraro would be a great fit with Rielly.

No he wouldn’t

 

[Suntouchable13]

Tre knows that the team will only go as far as the core 4 take them, no matter who they add. I expect similar kind of deadline to last year. Keep all the good assets we have. You can spend them on a Brayden Schenn but it won't matter a lick unless the so called "superstars" produce when it matters most.

I don't like that he is already making excuses, though. Oh the East is not as wide open as you think, we lost to a good team. etc. Don't like it.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Hope Tre is just bluffing. Doing some Sun Tzu art of war tactics for media while going for a big move.

Weakest this division has been without Boston. A more mild Tampa, and a cooled off Florida compared to last year.

Oh and also we actually have a legit top of league Tandem in Stolz and Woll.
Berube seems to have got the team to lock down 1 goal games ( Mostly anyways )

Core 4 is getting old. JT is already there. Our D is also ageing as well.

Matthews is likely to be a on and off type of season player TBH.

TIME IS NOW FFS

 

[hullsy47]

My advice to Tre this TDL is to....

I think hildeby is not far behind skinner in goaltending
We had assets for seth jones but needed to be creative to get a 3rd team retaining salary

 

[ACC1224]

I think hildeby is not far behind skinner in goaltending
We had assets for seth jones but needed to be creative to get a 3rd team retaining salary

Leafs may not have wanted that long of a commitment and more importantly the player most likely had a list of a couple teams he wanted to go to.

 

[thewave]

Tre knows that the team will only go as far as the core 4 take them, no matter who they add. I expect similar kind of deadline to last year. Keep all the good assets we have. You can spend them on a Brayden Schenn but it won't matter a lick unless the so called "superstars" produce when it matters most.



I don't like that he is already making excuses, though. Oh the East is not as wide open as you think, we lost to a good team. etc. Don't like it.

You think he is going to blow up the farm to being people in or keep it simple?

I hope he doesn't overpay but Leafs are like that.

 

[Nineteen67]

Tre knows that the team will only go as far as the core 4 take them, no matter who they add. I expect similar kind of deadline to last year. Keep all the good assets we have. You can spend them on a Brayden Schenn but it won't matter a lick unless the so called "superstars" produce when it matters most.



I don't like that he is already making excuses, though. Oh the East is not as wide open as you think, we lost to a good team. etc. Don't like it.

I would add players that have proven they can play in the playoffs, assuming the core are not going to get it done.
Hope the goaltending and D hold up enough to be competitive in round 2 so they can evaluate what you do with Marner and Tavares.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

They need to get the best player available regardless of cost.

Seth Jones might not be "the man" but he sure would have improved the Leafs defense. The ask wasn't unreasonable either. Goalie prospects are the cheapest trade asset their is and a 1st won't be of any use for Toronto any time soon.

I really hope Treliving has something in the works.

Because I'm starting to get nervous seeing all these opportunities being missed. Treliving sitting on his hands while their division's main rival just got better. The reigning Stanley Cup champs think it's important to load up at the deadline.

Unless Treliving doesn't have any confidence in this core he should be doing the same.

Everyone says I'm too negative. But I still think they should go all in this year. Anything less and Treliving should be pounding pavement with Shanahan right beside him.

Go big or go home.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The biggest need, by far, is a proper 1RHD.

it's a testament to how poorly this team has been run during the Matthews era that even after all these years the biggest need this deadline is the exact same as it has been for the last ten. A proper 1RHD. Someone to push the rest of the guys down a spot in the lineup where they more properly belong.

Bringing in a hack like Luke Schenn wouldn't be good enough.

Don't worry about overpaying either. Failing to improve the defense would be the most unacceptable result of this deadline. Less acceptable even than making an unfair trade to do so.

Get the best player available regardless of cost.

Trouba and Jones both went for a price the Leafs could afford. Either one of those guys would have been an immediate and significant upgrade on what they have currently. If they don't do anything to get better this deadline it just proves what the fans already know.

They're a pretender contender with no real desire to win it all.

 

[Jojalu]

While everyone would no doubt love to add a #1, we don’t really *need* anything more than a solid number 4.

A top pairing D would be a huge get though. Like a Parayko

I imagine now that Vancouver is falling apart that St Louis might not trade him unless someone really overpays.

I am still on board with making that move as long as Knies is not involved

 

[ACC1224]

I imagine now that Vancouver is falling apart that St Louis might not trade him unless someone really overpays.

I am still on board with making that move as long as Knies is not involved

I doubt Parayko has ever been available nor will he be.

My ideal target is a 2c to push Tavares down to 3c.

 

[Jojalu]

I doubt Parayko has ever been available nor will he be.

My ideal target is a 2c to push Tavares down to 3c.

Yes.

The Parayko noise seems like a pipe dream.

Schenn doesn't seem better than Tavares so I don't know if he really fills the need, plus the reported ask is ridiculous.

There really doesn't seem to be much available that would really change the Leafs makeup. Just some needed depth.

Although I wonder with the cap going up for the next 3 years if we will see some more hockey trades instead of just dumping UFA's for picks?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

That's why a Rielly Schenn pairing works better. Luke gives Rielly the freedom to be Rielly while excelling in his role as the defensive force.

Let OEL anchor the third pair.

If Leafs got Schenn which would be an OK move then when playoff hockey starts and game is on da line you will see under Berube (I think Rielly has already been told what to expect)
1st McCabe Tanev
2nd OEL Schenn
3rd Benoit Rielly (and they play mostly in neutral and offensive zone starts only)

Rielly is not gonna play much except maybe if we play Tampa where his game suits that opponent .. he is far far far too much of a defensive liability on da ice and his offence is nowhere near enough to offset his terrible defensive play

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

A top 4 dman is the greatest needed. Preferably a 1st pairing RHD. Parayko is a pipedream as he has a full no trade clause. I would look at Murphy in Chicago and take a run at Dobson. Both have salaries where the Leafs would not need to retain. They both would bump OEL down to the 3rd pairing where he shoudl be.

 

[Sypher04]

A top 4 dman is the greatest needed. Preferably a 1st pairing RHD. Parayko is a pipedream as he has a full no trade clause. I would look at Murphy in Chicago and take a run at Dobson. Both have salaries where the Leafs would not need to retain. They both would bump OEL down to the 3rd pairing where he shoudl be.

Dobson is a much bigger pipedream than Parayko.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

A center and a D man.

If The Leafs could exit the deadline with Brayden Schenn and David Savard that would be perfect.

The Leafs do need to respond to Florida but it doesn't need to be a blockbuster.

David Savard would be a perfect response because when healthy you already have a deeper defense then Florida.

Not a deeper top 3, NOBODY is touching Ekblad Forsling and Jones that is a disgusting top 3.

But it falls off pretty heavy after that.

If the Leafs landed David Savard you got.

Rielly Tanev

OEL McCabe

Savard Benoit.

That's a rock solid defense

That's the perfect response to Florida

 

[ACC1224]

Yes.

The Parayko noise seems like a pipe dream.

Schenn doesn't seem better than Tavares so I don't know if he really fills the need, plus the reported ask is ridiculous.

There really doesn't seem to be much available that would really change the Leafs makeup. Just some needed depth.

Although I wonder with the cap going up for the next 3 years if we will see some more hockey trades instead of just dumping UFA's for picks?

I think Schenn could help and would be happy if he came in at the right price. Not my ideal move but certainly an upgrade.

 

[The Shadow]

If everyone plays their best at the same time this team can win the cup.

The issue is that they never all play great at the same time.

The talent is there though. They have a lot of work to do before April 20th

 

[Nineteen67]

If everyone plays their best at the same time this team can win the cup.

The issue is that they never all play great at the same time.

The talent is there though. They have a lot of work to do before April 20th

Have they not been playing their best for the past 8 years?

 

[NJG]

If the first round pick, Cowan and Minten are in play then I would be looking at Mikko Rantanen at 50% retained, and Jacob Trouba at 50% retained.

 

[The Shadow]

Have they not been playing their best for the past 8 years?

No. They are certainly a different group come playoff time and struggle scoring

 

[TheScandal89]

I think we desperately are in need of a top 4 RD more then a 3C. Someone who contributes on both ends. Seems like a unicorn to us, but thats our biggest need imo. Its crazy to think, but we could really use another Jake Muzzin right about now.

 

[smitty10]

Leafs should be all in this year.

I think they go for a 3C or 2nd line winger, bottom pair right shot D and maybe another depth D.

 

[Budz]

Some of our fans calling B. Schenn a scrub is the typical nonsense that makes this place unbearable at times and devoid of any intelligent discussion.

I understand the cap hit is high.

I understand he’s not going to put up 70 points in a year.

What he is:
*Durable (doesn’t miss many games)
*Heavy-plays 200 feet, checks, moves the puck, sticks up for team mates, fights and scores big goals in big games.
*Experienced-He won’t shy away in the playoffs when things get tight.
*Know our system. Coach loves him

He allows us to have 3 lines that can score. I think he would be perfect for Nylander.

Obviously, we need to figure out compensation. A late first round pick and one of prospects who won’t help us for a couple years is just fine by me - as long as there is Retention or other contracts going back to the Blues.

Calling him a scrub - is frankly ridiculous. There is more to hockey than just goals/assists.

 

[notbias]

Some of our fans calling B. Schenn a scrub is the typical nonsense that makes this place unbearable at times and devoid of any intelligent discussion.

I understand the cap hit is high.

I understand he’s not going to put up 70 points in a year.

What he is:
*Durable (doesn’t miss many games)
*Heavy-plays 200 feet, checks, moves the puck, sticks up for team mates, fights and scores big goals in big games.
*Experienced-He won’t shy away in the playoffs when things get tight.
*Know our system. Coach loves him

He allows us to have 3 lines that can score. I think he would be perfect for Nylander.

Obviously, we need to figure out compensation. A late first round pick and one of prospects who won’t help us for a couple years is just fine by me - as long as there is Retention or other contracts going back to the Blues.

Calling him a scrub - is frankly ridiculous. There is more to hockey than just goals/assists.

While I don't think he is a scrub, it isn't like he stepped up big in their playoff run, he produces terribly in the playoffs, and yes there is more to hockey, but a 3C who doesn't produce a lot and is making 6.5x3 at the age of 33 is not ideal, there are likely cheaper character guys if that's all we care about.

Saying all this, I rarely see Schenn play, so maybe there is an upside, but his best years are behind him.

What big goals has he scored? He has 11 goals in 75 playoff games, should be easy to figure this out.

Marner has a higher GPG in the playoffs and people hate him for how little he scores.