Biggest Disappointment This Season

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Larsson personality would never allow him to either want, agree to, or be effective in a third pairing. He'd never do that or agree to that. Larsson is that type of player (a lot are like this) that needs minutes to feel games, to get to his best game. Nor would I think advisable to have a 5.25M contract playing bottom pairing. I thought you liked Larsson?

Myself I'm fine seeing Adam be with the nothing Kraken. Enjoy never seeing playoffs again Adam.

I too, am perfectly happy with seeing Larsson as a member of the Kraken. He's free goals against (on pace for -26 against the Oilers in his career).

 

[Drivesaitl]

I like our team. And I think some of us get tired of looking at dumb shit, call it dumb shit and get criticized for calling out dumb shit.

And I totally concede that if losing McLeod, Foegele, Holloway turns into a cup, then it all works out in the end. Kudos to the management. I can still not like the moves at the time.

I guess guys like Drivesaitl and I are a little jaded.

Sure. In a 32 team league though its a bad parlay to go all in, in this manner. First SC reaching clubs typically retain that roster and formula if they can. The Oilers could. There was no reason to have several player moves and different players in the lineup. The no nonsense play is to just play your hand, add to it, but do not subtract appreciably from it, which the Oilers did.

Trouble is if you don't hit the home run and get the one cup you've sacrificed years of futures and picks in the one moon shot endeavor. Not good betting, not good asset management, and from an org that often doesn't appear to have a plan and hasn't again during the McDrai era.

Gonna be a harder playoffs than it was last season. Real adversaries are back with better rosters this season, and everything but first round promises to be probably a tough test. Was a real fortune to have LA and Vancouver last year. On paper thats the easiest two first rounds possible. Only easier would've been LA then Nashville, which we almost got.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I too, am perfectly happy with seeing Larsson as a member of the Kraken. He's free goals against (on pace for -26 against the Oilers in his career).

I don't think theres been any particular love from this org to how they've handled Larsson in games and vice versa. Its funny to me to see Larsson try to play us hard and he just gets broken. OIlers appear to play him with some edge and go at him hard. Larsson kind of earns that taking runs at our players. I don't watch Kraken often but I suspect not many good teams are having any trouble solving Larsson either.

 

[PitkanensGitch]

Holloway - 56 points
McLeod - 38 points
Foegele - 37 points
Broberg - 22 points

Skinner - 23 points
Arvidsson - 22 points
Podkolzin - 22 points
Henrique - 17 points

Now I will say I was ecstatic to get rid of McLeod. Can't stand the player and he never showed up in the playoffs. What can't be denied though is that we lost 70 points, got slower, got older, and didn't really get any more experienced with these moves. Skinner has never played in the playoffs famously, Henrique had been on one playoff team in his entire career.

The culmination of the summer looking back on these moves are possibly, and in my estimation certainly the worst summer of moves the team has ever seen.

What are the odds it was at the hands of someone with no GM experience? He's giving Grier a run for his money.

Playoff time comes around and you have to pick a group of 4 players. Not one person on this board is picking the players we brought in. Catastrophe.

 

[The Trash Man]

Has to be Jackson for me. The others aside just loosing Holloway is a black eye and it just gets worse imo.

 

[Reilly13]

Pretty easily Jackson. If we don't ever win a cup in the McDavid era that off-season will be looked back on as being the reason. Not only set us back this year but set us back for the rest of the McDrai era.

I personally think Jackson trading McLeod after he took his bridge played a role in Holloway signing the offer sheet with the Blues. Holland asked McLeod for a favor when he took sub 1M in 2022 because they were so strapped for cash, he did that instead of holding out and risking getting traded. McLeod pretty obviously wanted to stay here and his reward after doing the team a favor was getting shipped off to Buffalo. I like the Savoie trade but we're also trying to win a cup now and it did make us worse in the short-term.

I think the org trying to get Broberg/Holloway signed to lowball deals after they saw McLeod do just that and get shipped off to the worst org in the league 100% played a factor in both players minds. There's also the reality that the team is telling you that they're in win now mode and want you to take less so they can ice the best roster possible shipping off their young 3rd line C for a prospect. It's hard to preach to a a player about putting the team first and taking less now so they can make more later, when they have evidence of a player doing that and getting traded to hockey hell as his reward. If the team isn't going to reward the team first mentality then the players have no reason to be loyal.

 

[nturn06]

Holloway - 56 points
McLeod - 38 points
Foegele - 37 points
Broberg - 22 points

Skinner - 23 points
Arvidsson - 22 points
Podkolzin - 22 points
Henrique - 17 points

Now I will say I was ecstatic to get rid of McLeod. Can't stand the player and he never showed up in the playoffs. What can't be denied though is that we lost 70 points, got slower, got older, and didn't really get any more experienced with these moves. Skinner has never played in the playoffs famously, Henrique had been on one playoff team in his entire career.

The culmination of the summer looking back on these moves are possibly, and in my estimation certainly the worst summer of moves the team has ever seen.

What are the odds it was at the hands of someone with no GM experience? He's giving Grier a run for his money.

Playoff time comes around and you have to pick a group of 4 players. Not one person on this board is picking the players we brought in. Catastrophe.

It is hard to compare those numbers, since the players would had not gotten the same ice time and opportunities here. McLeod has the 4th highest ice time among the Buffalo, averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Skinner, and two more minutes than the other forwards. Holloway gets much more time and especially PP time than anyone else on that list.

If I am not mistaken, all three forwards you listed get top 6 minutes with their teams and some also get PP1 time. Expecting them to tup similar numbers in bottom 6 in Edmonton is not reasonable.

 

[LTIR]

It is hard to compare those numbers, since the players would had not gotten the same ice time and opportunities here. McLeod has the 4th highest ice time among the Buffalo, averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Skinner, and two more minutes than the other forwards. Holloway gets much more time and especially PP time than anyone else on that list.

If I am not mistaken, all three forwards you listed get top 6 minutes with their teams and some also get PP1 time. Expecting them to tup similar numbers in bottom 6 in Edmonton is not reasonable.

Should also factor in combined cap hit since money was a big reason why we walked away from these players.

 

[brentashton]

This might be the biggest disappointment this season.

Sad really…

Edmonton statue of Oilers great Wayne Gretzky vandalized

This above is a hyperlink but, this site…well, you know… as Reid says click , click, click

 

[Shanahanigans]

Holloway - 56 points
McLeod - 38 points
Foegele - 37 points
Broberg - 22 points

Skinner - 23 points
Arvidsson - 22 points
Podkolzin - 22 points
Henrique - 17 points

Now I will say I was ecstatic to get rid of McLeod. Can't stand the player and he never showed up in the playoffs. What can't be denied though is that we lost 70 points, got slower, got older, and didn't really get any more experienced with these moves. Skinner has never played in the playoffs famously, Henrique had been on one playoff team in his entire career.

The culmination of the summer looking back on these moves are possibly, and in my estimation certainly the worst summer of moves the team has ever seen.

What are the odds it was at the hands of someone with no GM experience? He's giving Grier a run for his money.

Playoff time comes around and you have to pick a group of 4 players. Not one person on this board is picking the players we brought in. Catastrophe.

Mcleod provided this team something they were desperate for before him, and are desperate for again. A centre who can anchor the bottom 6 so the Oilers don't get caved with 97 and 29 off. For the 3 years he was here, we went progressively deeper in the playoffs because our bottom 6 could finally saw off the opposing bottom 6. Guess what, the Oilers are back to being caved with 97 and 29 on the ice. Ultimately, we gave away a 3C with flaws and now we have no 3C, same way we have away Eberle due to a bad playoffs and had no 1RW until 5 years later when we signed Hyman, or gave away Petry because he was "soft" and had no top right D until we drafted and developed Bouchard. You don't just give away useful players because you don't like something about their game. Now you have to replace them AND all the other holes.

Was Mcleod bad offensively and soft in the playoffs? Absolutely. He also was great defensively at shot and chance suppression, as well being an incredible transition player. Mcleod has some things that are useful- a good organization finds a way to support his flaws. Him and Foegele's best year came with a physical, engaged shoot first player like Kostin. We drafted and developed a similar player in Holloway but decided to discard him - Mcleod and Foegele with Holloway would've been the best 3rd line in the league. Henrique is also a decade older and if you thought Mcleod was invisible, Henrique doesn't exist. We lost 4 players aged 23-27, the youngest of those 2 already being a top line player and a top 4 dman leading the charge for a Blues team as they make a run for the playoffs. We develop players, give them away right before they're about to hit their prime, then trade for guys 30+ due to name recognition. Last offseason might be the reason we don't win a cup in the McDrai era.

We have Savoie coming up and that's it. O'Rielly is likely 3+ years away, and aside from that we have nothing- no D, forward or goalie prospects. The guys we gave away were the key to our contention window staying open in Mcdavid and Draisaitl's 30s. Now we'll have to retool the forward group pretty significantly.

 

[Drivesaitl]

This might be the biggest disappointment this season.

Sad really…

Edmonton statue of Oilers great Wayne Gretzky vandalized

This above is a hyperlink but, this site…well, you know… as Reid says click , click, click

What a sign of the times.

They would have video of this, and plenty. I wonder why we're not hearing about any arrest.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Holloway - 56 points
McLeod - 38 points
Foegele - 37 points
Broberg - 22 points

Skinner - 23 points
Arvidsson - 22 points
Podkolzin - 22 points
Henrique - 17 points

Now I will say I was ecstatic to get rid of McLeod. Can't stand the player and he never showed up in the playoffs. What can't be denied though is that we lost 70 points, got slower, got older, and didn't really get any more experienced with these moves. Skinner has never played in the playoffs famously, Henrique had been on one playoff team in his entire career.

The culmination of the summer looking back on these moves are possibly, and in my estimation certainly the worst summer of moves the team has ever seen.

What are the odds it was at the hands of someone with no GM experience? He's giving Grier a run for his money.

Playoff time comes around and you have to pick a group of 4 players. Not one person on this board is picking the players we brought in. Catastrophe.

It is hard to compare those numbers, since the players would had not gotten the same ice time and opportunities here. McLeod has the 4th highest ice time among the Buffalo, averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Skinner, and two more minutes than the other forwards. Holloway gets much more time and especially PP time than anyone else on that list.

If I am not mistaken, all three forwards you listed get top 6 minutes with their teams and some also get PP1 time. Expecting them to tup similar numbers in bottom 6 in Edmonton is not reasonable.

Can we also not acknowledge the numbers of Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique also being much higher on worse teams?

It's not a coincidence that when players go to worse teams to play a larger role we'll see increases in production.

Mikael Granlund just spent the last 2 years on San Jose producing at a 75-point pace to then get traded to Dallas, an actual contender, and has dropped to a 53-point pace.

Hanafin was a 45-point dman in his last 3 years in Calgary before becoming a 34-point dman in Vegas

smaller role, less production

 

[Messrules11]

This might be the biggest disappointment this season.

Sad really…

Edmonton statue of Oilers great Wayne Gretzky vandalized

This above is a hyperlink but, this site…well, you know… as Reid says click , click, click

Are you kidding me? This is a new low, something I never would have imagined. Some people really need help.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

What a sign of the times.

They would have video of this, and plenty. I wonder why we're not hearing about any arrest.

The sign of the times is right outside the north door of Rogers Place. Ever been?

 

[AM]

Not sure I am clear about your first statement. The Oilers could still have a tremendous end of the season. JJ and GMSB could be proven right. My position on whether or not they should have matched on Holloway won't change even if they win the cup. (Although going with Skinner proved pretty good last year, and I hope it does again this year, in which I would concede that I was wrong that they should have made a move for a better goalie during this season)

Results don’t prove anything. Actions change your odds and sometimes you roll snake eyes.

 

[AM]

Its a learned condition, it isn't an attribute. Any Canadian fans, some more than others would have some similar ptsd in a 32yr shutout of Canadian clubs.

That you see this as some kind of fan blight is interesting considering no club has a fanbase as enthused as this one to spend thousands of bucks on tickets.

This is also the org that sold Wayne Gretzky, that drafted Steve Kelly instead of Shane doan with the draft located at Rexall and home fans chanting Doan, Doan, Doan.

Now more recently the club loses its best prospects, multiple, to offer sheets and trades another, same offseason. The team that traded Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle for assets decreasing to a Ryan Spooner.

A team that hired Dallas Eakins as headcoach, Chiarelli as manager "to get it right this time" and hired an investigated Bob Nicholson as manager. Out of politeness I won't expand on Bowman.

The fan bashing could probably stop.

I fell like I’m telling you there’s no Santa, but , the solution is in the room.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Can we also not acknowledge the numbers of Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique also being much higher on worse teams?

It's not a coincidence that when players go to worse teams to play a larger role we'll see increases in production.

Mikael Granlund just spent the last 2 years on San Jose producing at a 75-point pace to then get traded to Dallas, an actual contender, and has dropped to a 53-point pace.

Hanafin was a 45-point dman in his last 3 years in Calgary before becoming a 34-point dman in Vegas

smaller role, less production

Holloway, McLeod, Foegele, and Broberg would certainly produce less if they were still with the Oilers. They'd also be producing much more than the losers that we tossed them for, with the only acceptable move being McLeod because we got a young potential top 6 ELC option. These players were also young, improving, and significantly cheaper, while losers like Henrique, Arvidsson, and Skinner are worse than McLeod and Foegele ever were as Oilers and can only get worse. The Henrique one is the most unacceptable because he played like absolute garbage as an Oiler last year and costed us a 1st round pick, but for whatever reason we couldn't accept the sunk cost fallacy and re-signed a player who managed to make Draisaitl look like a 3rd liner.

 

[MoontoScott]

It is hard to compare those numbers, since the players would had not gotten the same ice time and opportunities here. McLeod has the 4th highest ice time among the Buffalo, averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Skinner, and two more minutes than the other forwards. Holloway gets much more time and especially PP time than anyone else on that list.

If I am not mistaken, all three forwards you listed get top 6 minutes with their teams and some also get PP1 time. Expecting them to tup similar numbers in bottom 6 in Edmonton is not reasonable.

Good point.

It was a mistake not to match Holloway (matching Broberg would have been much tougher to do) but that said, 6 of Holloway's 23 goals have come on the powerplay and he is playing lots of minutes. It's not surprising that he would have an increased point total. He would still look good in Oiler's silks though. The pipeline is pretty much exhausted and at abandonment pressure.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Holloway, McLeod, Foegele, and Broberg would certainly produce less if they were still with the Oilers. They'd also be producing much more than the losers that we tossed them for, with the only acceptable move being McLeod because we got a young potential top 6 ELC option. These players were also young, improving, and significantly cheaper, while losers like Henrique, Arvidsson, and Skinner are worse than McLeod and Foegele ever were as Oilers and can only get worse. The Henrique one is the most unacceptable because he played like absolute garbage as an Oiler last year and costed us a 1st round pick, but for whatever reason we couldn't accept the sunk cost fallacy and re-signed a player who managed to make Draisaitl look like a 3rd liner.

If we're using last season as a measuring stick, Holloway had 6 goals and 9 points in 38 games playing mostly with Draisaitl.

I admit I was wrong about Holloway, I had been in favour of matching Broberg but not matching Holloway. I just didn't see it last year. Guy didn't have an offensive bone in his body. Glad for him he's turned it around in St. Louis, it's just a shame he couldn't have shown it to us last year.

 

[AM]

It is hard to compare those numbers, since the players would had not gotten the same ice time and opportunities here. McLeod has the 4th highest ice time among the Buffalo, averaging more than 4 minutes per game more than Skinner, and two more minutes than the other forwards. Holloway gets much more time and especially PP time than anyone else on that list.

If I am not mistaken, all three forwards you listed get top 6 minutes with their teams and some also get PP1 time. Expecting them to tup similar numbers in bottom 6 in Edmonton is not reasonable.

You’re wasting your time. They have their Stanley cup rings in their ears.

 

[AM]

Holloway, McLeod, Foegele, and Broberg would certainly produce less if they were still with the Oilers. They'd also be producing much more than the losers that we tossed them for, with the only acceptable move being McLeod because we got a young potential top 6 ELC option. These players were also young, improving, and significantly cheaper, while losers like Henrique, Arvidsson, and Skinner are worse than McLeod and Foegele ever were as Oilers and can only get worse. The Henrique one is the most unacceptable because he played like absolute garbage as an Oiler last year and costed us a 1st round pick, but for whatever reason we couldn't accept the sunk cost fallacy and re-signed a player who managed to make Draisaitl look like a 3rd liner.

And we couldn’t afford them.