Biggest Disappointment This Season

[Spawn]

The other thing though is we have 11 OTW this year. Thats 11 goals weve scored in 3 on 3 action and we know who's getting pts on those.

It is a down year for McD. But its quite possible we've already seen his halcyon year. I wouldn't bet on it, but its possible.

Thing that has to be considered with McD specifically is how steep a drop its been in goals. Its pretty striking.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we’ve seen McDavids best year tbh. Look at a guy like Crosby who peaked even younger.

I guess my ultimate point was that even if this is the player McDavid is moving forward. A guy who is just one of the 3 or 4 best players in the league vs the guy who is the undisputed best player in the league, that’s still not the biggest disappointment on the season. At least imo. But maybe I didn’t do enough to explain that.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Biggest disappointment is HFBoards. This move to xanax or whatever is not working.

 

[midnightcopper]

The magnitude of the Broberg / Holloway blunder just cannot be underestimated at this point. Was disappointed (STUNNED is the better word) when it happened. Leave Broberg out of it, and it looks equally bad. Holloway is five points off leading the Blues in scoring. It's a complete management failure.

 

[harpoon]

It is a down year for McD. But its quite possible we've already seen his halcyon year. I wouldn't bet on it, but its possible.

You predicted the same thing about Draisaitl last year. That sure proved incorrect. Never bet against elite talent and work ethic.

For me the biggest disappointment of the year is Holloway being a greedy f*** and turning his back on the team that drafted him and brought him along in this league over a couple million dollars that he would have certainly recouped in coming years.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Just the goaltending, I didn't expect them to be world beaters, but a step forward was what I was expecting, not this step backward.

 

[Soundwave]

Prior to the last game where Nuge got 3 invisible pts we had only two forwards with over 40pts. Holy jebus that goose don't fly.

The roster is composed of a vast majority of forwards not pissing a drop. Has nothing to do with coaching and a helluva lot more with who put this sorry roster together.

McDrai are getting the least help since Chia traded Hall and Eberle away. yes that bad. This is the worst forward roster we've had in several years.

There's a fortune spent on forwards here though, that's the difference. This group has very little chemistry right now and I think McDavid and Draisaitl are not as easy to play with as one might expect on top of poor scouting and poor coaching decisions. It's a litany of issues there, but this is not a cheap forward group where they're not spending.

If anything the whole "spend MOAR on forwards" is getting really, really tired.

Even Dylan Holloway scored at an abysmal 8 goal rate here in 89 games in the regular season ... that's below Yamamoto levels of production and basically Jesse Puljujarvi like.

Very few forwards ever have great chemistry and production here, think some questions need to be asked about why this repeatedly keeps happening.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Jackson for sure. Bro and Holloway losses were some of the worst "team management" ive seen in the modern NHL.

 

[Louis Cypher]

I agree with this 100 percent, but what is the answer?? We haven't found lines that work at all. With Kane and Fredric coming back it will only get worse. I feel like we should at least try to get 2 lines set in stone.

We needed a top 6 winger so badly at the deadline....... (even over Walman)

With Ekholm out needed Walman more than anything really.

 

[Louis Cypher]

You predicted the same thing about Draisaitl last year. That sure proved incorrect. Never bet against elite talent and work ethic.

For me the biggest disappointment of the year is Holloway being a greedy f*** and turning his back on the team that drafted him and brought him along in this league over a couple million dollars that he would have certainly recouped in coming years.

In no way this is Holloway's fault. It's stupid f***ing management for running after small forwards to replace Yamamoto falling down all the time. FFS

 

[ManofSteel55]

My vote is for Bouch. The guy looked near elite last season, and this year, he's a shell of what he was a year ago.

I have a hard time putting Jackson in there - aside from not signing Holloway earlier (Broberg wanted out, I'm still not sad he's gone) and consulting with Knob about if he would use Jeff Skinner properly, I don't know what else he really could have done. There are a lot of guys underperforming right now, and I don't think that lays at the feet of the manager. In fact, if we could answer "everyone but Draisaitl, Kulak and Nurse regressing this year" as my main disappointment, that's what I would vote.

 

[Drivesaitl]

There's a fortune spent on forwards here though, that's the difference. This group has very little chemistry right now and I think McDavid and Draisaitl are not as easy to play with as one might expect on top of poor scouting and poor coaching decisions. It's a litany of issues there, but this is not a cheap forward group where they're not spending.

If anything the whole "spend MOAR on forwards" is getting really, really tired.

Even Dylan Holloway scored at an abysmal 8 goal rate here in 89 games in the regular season ... that's below Yamamoto levels of production and basically Jesse Puljujarvi like.

Very few forwards ever have great chemistry and production here, think some questions need to be asked about why this repeatedly keeps happening.

If only because I detest inaccuracy like this...Dylan Holloway scored 6G in 38GP last year and even while playing vast majority bottom minutes and bottom toi. That prorates to 13 goals, not 8.

If factoring in Reg+playoffs (and why wouldn't one considering a limited GP season) Holloway scored 11 real goals in only 63GP here last year in just mop up minutes. Prorating to 15G on a full season for a 22yr old can't miss budding star player.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

If only because I detest inaccuracy like this...Dylan Holloway scored 6G in 38GP last year and even while playing vast majority bottom minutes and bottom toi. That prorates to 13 goals, not 8.

If factoring in Reg+playoffs (and why wouldn't one considering a limited GP season) Holloway scored 11 real goals in only 63GP here last year in just mop up minutes. Prorating to 15G on a full season for a 22yr old can't miss budding star player.

Holloway is a can’t miss budding star?

 

[Drivesaitl]

Holloway is a can’t miss budding star?

Can't miss NHL player and possible budding star. My punctuation and grammar and post editing sucks. shit. Ironic, I realize.

 

[Soundwave]

If only because I detest inaccuracy like this...Dylan Holloway scored 6G in 38GP last year and even while playing vast majority bottom minutes and bottom toi. That prorates to 13 goals, not 8.

If factoring in Reg+playoffs (and why wouldn't one considering a limited GP season) Holloway scored 11 real goals in only 63GP here last year in just mop up minutes. Prorating to 15G on a full season for a 22yr old can't miss budding star player.

He scored 8 goals total here in 89 regular season games. Then 5 in 26 playoff games.

The fact of the matter is this organization has only had 2 whopping forwards ever come in during the McDavid era (whether through draft, trade, or signing) and significantly outperform expectations -- Maroon and Hyman and that's basically it. 2 forwards in 10 years, lol.

Yamamoto had a little stretch right at the beginning of his time here where he went on a massive heater, but that fizzled out.

I guess you could say Klim Kostin (11 goals in 57 games + 3 more in 12 playoff games), but he was here a very short time.

Other than that this organization sucks balls at integrating forwards into its mix. There's something wrong with how forwards are handled here, too many players come here and wilt under pressure, don't find chemistry with anyone, or have 1 good stretch and then fall off a cliff.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He scored 8 goals total here in 89 regular season games. Then 5 in 26 playoff games.

The fact of the matter is this organization has only had 2 whopping forwards ever come in during the McDavid era (whether through draft, trade, or signing) and significantly outperform expectations -- Maroon and Hyman and that's basically it. 2 forwards in 10 years, lol.

Yamamoto had a little stretch right at the beginning of his time here where he went on a massive heater, but that fizzled out.

I guess you could say Klim Kostin (11 goals in 57 games + 3 more in 12 playoff games), but he was here a very short time.

Other than that this organization sucks balls at integrating forwards into its mix. There's something wrong with how forwards are handled here, too many players come here and wilt under pressure, don't find chemistry with anyone, or have 1 good stretch and then fall off a cliff.

Including a first season where he's seeing the ice virtually 4-9mins played in games is not representative, and it is misleading. Drai barely produced his first portion of season here. Similarly Smyth failed to score hardly at all his first stint here. Are these at all barometers? Of course not. instead they represent that for vast majority of players, and even generational players it can take awhile. its why I ONLY look at last season and playoffs. The other stint doesn't even matter. Also its 25 games and sometimes very limited minutes. the 5 goals were very impressive and the MANNER in which Holloway scored those goals was revealing, indeed to anybody but a blind man or Oilers manager..

All that it would've taken is putting Holloway on a wing with Drai more often than the org did. Thats it, thats all. Holloway was as ready to unpack as prospects tend to be. Its why I often say can't miss in regard to him. An org would have to completely f*** up usage (and they pretty much did) not to see the gold here.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Uh I get the impression that aren’t looking for one because they don’t think its a problem. Which is probably worse than not being able to find one.

Hence the Dustin Schwartz evil spell.

 

[fireantz]

Holland and Jackson had to know Broberg was going to hold out. They had to know an offer sheet was possible. Had we traded him we would have gotten some value and Holloway would ultimately been signed.

 

[joestevens29]

Holland and Jackson had to know Broberg was going to hold out. They had to know an offer sheet was possible. Had we traded him we would have gotten some value and Holloway would ultimately been signed.

Stauffer has been pretty adamant that Broberg has wanted out for quite some time and wasn't going to stick around. Why he wasn't moved at the draft for the best offer or a couple days into free agency when teams struck out and were looking at plan B, I'll never know.

 

[nturn06]

Can't miss NHL player and possible budding star. My punctuation and grammar and post editing sucks. shit. Ironic, I realize.

TBH, now that he is lighting it up it is very easy to label him as can't miss. But Holloway's numbers were much weaker than Yakupov's, another can't miss NHL player, right?

 

[Soundwave]

Including a first season where he's seeing the ice virtually 4-9mins played in games is not representative, and it is misleading. Drai barely produced his first portion of season here. Similarly Smyth failed to score hardly at all his first stint here. Are these at all barometers? Of course not. instead they represent that for vast majority of players, and even generational players it can take awhile. its why I ONLY look at last season and playoffs. The other stint doesn't even matter. Also its 25 games and sometimes very limited minutes. the 5 goals were very impressive and the MANNER in which Holloway scored those goals was revealing, indeed to anybody but a blind man or Oilers manager..

All that it would've taken is putting Holloway on a wing with Drai more often than the org did. Thats it, thats all. Holloway was as ready to unpack as prospects tend to be. Its why I often say can't miss in regard to him. An org would have to completely f*** up usage (and they pretty much did) not to see the gold here.

I've looked at all major forward adds in the McDavid era (well most of them), this is how they stack up in goal scoring:

Minus Hyman, who obviously would be no.1 by a long shot (all games including playoffs, 50GP minimum):

1.) Kane - 208GP/ 82 goals / 0.39 gpg
2.) Maroon - 167 GP / 52 goals / 0. 311 gpg
3.) Neal - 90 GP / 26 goals / 0.288 gpg
4.) Chiasson - 190GP/ 44 goals / 0.23 gpg
5.) Yamamoto - 278 GP / 61 goals / 0.22 gpg
6.) Kostin - 69 GP / 14 goals / 0.203 gpg
7.) Perry - 124 GP / 24 goals/ 0.19 gpg
8.) J. Skinner - 58GP/ 11 goals / 0.189 gpg
8.) Arvidsson - 53GP / 10 goals / 0.189 gpg
10.) Foegele - 278 GP/ 50 goals / 0.18 gpg
11.) Henrique - 106GP / 18 goals / 0.17 gpg
11.) Caggiula - 176 GP / 30 goals / 0.17 gpg
13.) Lucic - 256 GP/ 41 goals / 0.16 gpg
13.) Puljujarvi - 337 GP / 54 goals / 0.16 gpg
15.) McLeod - 275GP / 39 goals / 0.14 gpg
15.) Strome - 100 GP / 14 goals / 0.14 gpg
17.) Holloway - 115 GP / 14 goals / 0.12 gpg
18.) Slepyshev - 114 GP / 13 goals / 0.11 gpg
19.) Podkolzin - 68GP/ 7 goals / 0.102 gpg
20.) Ryan - 303 GP / 31 goals / 0.10 gpg
21.) C. Brown - 158GP / 14 goals / 0.09 gpg
22.) Janmark - 233 GP / 20 goals / 0.085 gpg


Not a very impressive list by the Oilers. Neal's numbers are a bit skewed too because he fell off a cliff after like his first 50 games here.

Drake Caggiula being above Lucic, Puljujarvi, Strome, Holloway, McLeod, etc. and just barely shy of Foegele tells you a lot.

We need a lot more .20 or better goals per game wingers.

 

[Drivesaitl]

TBH, now that he is lighting it up it is very easy to label him as can't miss. But Holloway's numbers were much weaker than Yakupov's, another can't miss NHL player, right?

I was singing Holloways praises to anybody that noticed last season and playoffs. Some of his goals were excellently taken and he was starting to fly. Jets and hands for a forward is a good combo. Add Holloways skating mileage work rate and his physicality and he was always going to get there. Those comments were in real time, last season.

 

[Canovin]

I was singing Holloways praises to anybody that noticed last season and playoffs. Some of his goals were excellently taken and he was starting to fly. Jets and hands for a forward is a good combo. Add Holloways skating mileage work rate and his physicality and he was always going to get there. Those comments were in real time, last season.

You've been singing the Holloway praises now that he's a Blues more than ever before.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You've been singing the Holloway praises now that he's a Blues more than ever before.

bs. Go back to the playoffs, to the SC final. Go back to the GDT's. This is the player that got away that will be good for the next decade. No reason for it.

 

[Canovin]

bs. Go back to the playoffs, to the SC final. Go back to the GDT's. This is the player that got away that will be good for the next decade. No reason for it.

It's not bs. You might have talked about him in the past, maybe here and there. But right now you're on a quest to talk about him religiously

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's not bs. You might have talked about him in the past, maybe here and there. But right now you're on a quest to talk about him religiously

Well what thread are we in? What was the biggest disappointment of the offseason? Right....