Bigger trade robbery: Luka Doncic vs Jack Eichel

[Mirka the Turka]

Which team is more dumb? The Mavericks or the Sabres?

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Mavs AINEC.

 

[HisIceness]

Mavericks. We all knew Eichel was getting traded. No one would have guessed Luka would get traded and they (Mavs) still got hosed.

 

[RedHawkDown]

This is one of those situations where AINEC applies. Alex Tuch is a 50-60pt hard nosed player and scored 79 a few years ago too. Ostlund still has solid potential. Eichel is great but he's not McDavid or something.

The Luka trade was insane in comparison.

 

[Regal]

This is one of those situations where AINEC applies. Alex Tuch is a 50-60pt hard nosed player and scored 79 a few years ago too. Ostlund still has solid potential. Eichel is great but he's not McDavid or something.

The Luka trade was insane in comparison.

I mean, if we’re comparing Tuch to Eichel, AD is closer to Luka than Tuch is to Eichel, even if he’s older and injury prone

 

[Panthaz89]

I mean, if we’re comparing Tuch to Eichel, AD is closer to Luka than Tuch is to Eichel, even if he’s older and injury prone

Tuch literally outscored Eichel 1 year after the trade this is literally the first year where Eichel has even distanced himself from Tuch other than a playoff performance which Tuch obviously can't do on the Sabres.

 

[Regal]

Tuch literally outscored Eichel 1 year after the trade this is literally the first year where Eichel has even distanced himself from Tuch other than a playoff performance which Tuch obviously can't do on the Sabres.

I’m aware of the totals. Eichel is still the better player by a fair bit.

 

[NVious]

Mavs went to the finals, Luka is an imperfect player but basically all players have flaws.

Even trading him, ok fine I can see the reasoning behind it, but why the f*** would you trade him for a more injury prone older player.

It was an insane trade, even from a self preservation standpoint, if I'm Nico Harrison why is it in my interest to do this? It's not like the package immediately makes Dallas better, so what's the point?

I think he is literally brain dead or the owners want to devalue the team and move it to Vegas. It could go down as one of the worst trades in sports history.

Eichel is great but he's in a great system, put him on San Jose/Nashville/Pittsburgh/Chicago and it's not like he's making them a world beater. He has outscored Tuch by 22 points in 4 years, a grand total of 5.5 points per year, never mind Krebs or the prospects. Vegas won the cup and Eichel was great in the playoffs, so you could say they "won" the trade, but honestly I'm not sure the result is all that different if they kept Tuch/Krebs and the picks.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I mean, if we’re comparing Tuch to Eichel, AD is closer to Luka than Tuch is to Eichel, even if he’s older and injury prone

The older and injury prone part is not something to ignore. Tuch is the same age as Eichel. AD is 6 years older than Luka.

 

[AvroArrow]

In hockey terms, the Luka Doncic trade is basically like trading Mackinnon for Josi

I don't even think Buffalo is "dumb" for trading Eichel, it wasn't working there and we all knew he was going to be moved. The Mavericks literally moved a top 3 player in the league, young in his prime for no reason.

 

[Regal]

The older and injury prone part is not something to ignore. Tuch is the same age as Eichel. AD is 6 years older than Luka.

Oh for sure. The Luka trade was still terrible. And worse because he didn’t have to be traded like Eichel pretty much did when they couldn’t agree on the surgery. But I do think some people forget how good Davis is when he’s in the lineup. To me it comes down to whether you get a good, solid youngish player for your star who might not be someone to build around, or another star who’s older and injury prone. In some ways the Mavs trade wouldn’t be the worst if they had to trade Luka and wanted to try to be competitive. It’s the fact that they didn’t that make it so bad.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The Luka trade may actually be the worst trade in sports history, in terms of being a completely self-aware, eyes-open, self-inflicted blunder with no redeeming argument.

There have of course been other cases where a future HOF’er was traded for scraps before he broke out, or where the player/pick they got in return busted. The Luka trade was different in that they knew exactly what they were doing, any sane person would have screamed at them to stop, and they did it anyway.

Just in the short term alone, they went from being 26-23 before the trade to 10-15 after it, falling from a solid playoff spot to likely not even making the play-in tournament. And that’s the current season, when the impact won’t be as bad for them. Long term it’s a franchise-devastating move.

Unthinkably, against all odds, it toppled Jerry Jones and the Cowboys as the #1 thing for Dallas fans to hate on.

There hasn’t been anything else like this, as far as I can remember. This is comparable to the Gretzky trade, but if Gretzky had no intention of leaving and the Oilers just smooth-brained the idea on their own.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

Whatever trade-related question you might ask that involves the Luka trade, the answer is always going to be the Luka trade. Will be a very long time before we see anything like that again.

 

[Voight]

This is one of those situations where AINEC applies. Alex Tuch is a 50-60pt hard nosed player and scored 79 a few years ago too. Ostlund still has solid potential. Eichel is great but he's not McDavid or something.

The Luka trade was insane in comparison.

This is also the first time since he became a Golden Knight that hes finished in the top 10 for points.

 

[SlapJack]

I was just looking at the top 20 scorers this year and seeing 3 ex Sabre picks in there (Eichel, Hagel, Reinhart). Eichel ahead of McDavid for the first time ever, should make Tim Murray proud!

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Luka trade is one of the worst in sports history, these aren’t even comparable

 

[SPF6ty9]

Gotta be the Luka trade. Hard to compare to hockey because the impact of a star player in the NBA is more than the NHL.

If you ranked the most valuable assets in sports, once you get past like Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen...then you're probably running through the top group of NBA players before you'd get to McDavid, let alone Eichel.

 

[VaporTrail]

No idea who Luka Doncic is

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Luka trade may actually be the worst trade in sports history, in terms of being a completely self-aware, eyes-open, self-inflicted blunder with no redeeming argument.

There have of course been other cases where a future HOF’er was traded for scraps before he broke out, or where the player/pick they got in return busted. The Luka trade was different in that they knew exactly what they were doing, any sane person would have screamed at them to stop, and they did it anyway.

Just in the short term alone, they went from being 26-23 before the trade to 10-15 after it, falling from a solid playoff spot to likely not even making the play-in tournament. And that’s the current season, when the impact won’t be as bad for them. Long term it’s a franchise-devastating move.

Unthinkably, against all odds, it toppled Jerry Jones and the Cowboys as the #1 thing for Dallas fans to hate on.

There hasn’t been anything else like this, as far as I can remember. This is comparable to the Gretzky trade, but if Gretzky had no intention of leaving and the Oilers just smooth-brained the idea on their own.

Yeah but have you seen Gretzky backcheck?

Let's trade him for Larry Robinson without shopping him around!

 

[Mrfenn92]

Mavs easily. Dumb ownership and dumb Gm.

 

[HabzSauce]

Luka trade might be worst trade I have ever seen. And it's not because the Mavs GM is a tool. This was not a basketball trade. I do not believe Mavs actually felt they were getting better with this deal.

This had other shit going on behind the scenes. Shady AF and only makes the league look like a joke

 

[CowbellConray]

Luka trade by FAR. A team who went to the finals last year trades their best player and cornerstone piece for an aging star who is 7 years older

Luka trade in full:
Mavs trade:
Luka (Young franchise player - top 5 player in the world)
Kleber (rotation player)
Morris (bad bench player, aged vet)

Lakers trade:
Anthony Davis (Aging star - still a great player but injury prone)
Christie (Young rotation player)
2029 1st

Comparable NHL Deal:
Toronto trades:
Auston Matthews (27 years old, top 10 player in the world, young franchise leader)
Ryan Reaves
David Kampf

Jets trade:
Mark Scheifele (32 years old, good top line center but aging)
David Gustafsson
2029 2nd round pick

That's insane. That's miles worse than the Eichel deal which gave the Sabres a top line winger in Tuch who was prime aged, along with a B prospect in Krebs and a mid first which turned into Ostlund who is developing VERY well in the minors.

I dont think there is any way the Mavs recover this decade after this move.

 

[Garbageyuk]

It’s always funny seeing these comparisons on here by people who don’t know basketball.

The NHL equivalent of the Luka trade would be like MacKinnon being traded for Hedman right now.

The Eichel trade was bad, but this is the first year where it looks truly crazy. If Eichel had been putting up seasons like this one for the past 5 years, and didn’t have all the health question marks at the time, I guess it would start approaching a similar territory to the Luka trade, but it still wouldn’t be as bad, imo.

 

[blundluntman]

The Luka trade might be the worst trade of the century

 

[Machinehead]

I'll cut the Mavericks a little bit of slack here.

I refuse to believe they just woke up one day and traded Luka Doncic for no reason. He has an opt out after next season and they had to have very strong indications from within that he wasn't staying. As such, they figured they'd get more value for a guaranteed year and a half than if they traded him towards the end of his deal.

Now did they accomplish that? Probably not, but at that point, Luka is pretty much dictating who he'll extend with, which limits your options.

You could make the argument you try to win while he's there but they were 26-23.

It was a shocking trade at the time it went down, but if it happened a year later after the rumors inevitably started, people wouldn't given it much thought.

I do think it was a bad trade because they should have tried to get more futures instead of papering over a hole with 32 year old Anthony Davis, but again, their options were probably limited.