Bettman Confirms World Cup in 2028 (At Least 8 Nations)
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vorky
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I do not want to jump to this discussion but ...
you are talking about attendance in Prague, fine.
but knowledgeable people, even Tardif IIRC, admit that IIHF is losing money without Russia, russian sponsors etc.
Czechboy
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Russia lost 7-3 in the Olympic quarters in 2010 .. right? Then 3-1 in the quarters 4 years later to Finland, right?
Czechboy
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Just looking that this, I'm inclined to agree... but I also think it would be fair to have a play-in series between Slovakia and Germany to determine who qualifies for the tournament proper. Maybe punt Switzerland into a three-team tournament that has the top two finishers of it qualify.
There’s no hatred towards a country. There’s threats of boycotting for political reasons from Finland and Sweden, if they want to choose not to participate in a hockey tournament solely because of political reasons, while they have Russian team mates, some of them their best mates, I will not miss those countries
PensandCaps
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Not having Russia in it is a joke, one of the most talented teams not in this current tournament for no reason besides American geopolitics. Hopefully 2028 has them in it and makes it a real tournament. Best vs best.
Spare me the fake moral outrage about Russia, while the tournament has f***ing America in it, who invade and destroy countries for fun. Look at Gaza.
Spare me the fake moral outrage about Russia, while the tournament has f***ing America in it, who invade and destroy countries for fun. Look at Gaza.
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So what, Russia then beat Finland in 2016 rather easily. But the point is that they’re threatening to boycott, for zero hockey reasons, and hence I won’t miss them if that’s their choice
NyQuil
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The 2005 World Championships Team Canada is an interesting roster.
The goaltending was pretty wild with both Brodeur and Luongo.
You can see how many European-centric players were involved. They relied a lot on past members of Team Canada, sort of an all-star team of previous WC attendees.
You had a lot of returnees from previous World Championships (* for guys on the 2006 Olympic team):
Forwards:
-Ryan Smyth *
-Dany Heatley *
-Kirk Maltby
-Kris Draper *
-Shane Doan *
-Brendan Morrow
-Joe Thornton *
-Patrick Marleau
-Scott Walker
-Brendan Morrison
Defence:
-Wade Redden *
-Chris Phillips
-Ed Jovonovski
-Robyn Regehr *
Goalies:
-Martin Brodeur (albeit way back in 1996) *
-Roberto Luongo *
-Marty Turco
Then you had the guys with no WC experience but who played in Europe during the lockout:
-Rick Nash *
-Mike Fisher
-Dan Boyle
-Sheldon Souray
Then you had a few guys who used 2005 as their first real WC/European experience:
-Simon Gagne *
-Scott Hannan
Team Canada - Ice Hockey World Championships 2005 - Player Stats
Team Canada stats, scoring leaders and demographics breakdown at Ice Hockey World Championships in 2005. Player birth country and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 2005 tournament.
www.quanthockey.com
1. Previous NHL Season (2003-2004)
So, who was missing as far as the previous NHL season is concerned and their league-wide ranking in scoring:
-Martin St. Louis (1st)
-Joe Sakic (3rd)
-Cory Stillman (8th)
-Brad Richards (10th)
-Alex Tanguay (11th)
-Mark Recchi (14th)
-Jarome Iginla (16th)
-Steve Sullivan (17th)
-And here we have Joe Thornton as the top scoring member of Team Canada at 18th, Shane Doan next at 24th, Scott Walker at 26th
-As far as ranking by points-per-game (due to injury etc.), Marc Savard is at 3rd, Todd Bertuzzi at 28th
-It's harder to grade defencemen, but Scott Niedermayer and Bryan McCabe were on the end-of-season 1st and 2nd All-Star teams respectively
2. Subsequent 2006 Best-on-Best Olympic Roster
So, who was missing as far as the next best-on-best Olympic team is concerned, less than a year later in 2006:
Forwards:
-Joe Sakic
-Vincent Lecavalier
-Martin St. Louis
-Brad Richards
-Todd Bertuzzi
-Jarome Iginla
Defence:
-Jay Bouwmeester
-Rob Blake
-Bryan McCabe
-Chris Pronger
-Adam Foote
(not including Spezza, Staal, Crosby because they had little or no NHL experience in 2005)
3. Conclusions
-The goaltending is as good as it could be. Luongo and Brodeur were consensus best-on-best goalies.
-The forwards were a pretty decent group, interestingly enough. 7 of 13 forwards on the 2006 Olympic team played on the 2005 WC team. Sakic, Iginla and the Tampa Bay Lightning guys are the most obvious omissions based on both prior NHL performance and 2006 Team Canada selection. Bertuzzi is a bit of a special case given his troubles around that time.
-The defence included 2 of 7, in Regehr and Redden, so a few notable omissions here.
-I think it's sort of in between a best-on-best team and a World Championship team.
-However, those tournaments took place in a bit of a lull for Canadian talent IMO, with 2002 as the swansong of the 80s-early 90s superstars (like Lemieux, Lindros and Yzerman) and the later 2000s guys yet to emerge
-As far as future HHoFers are concerned, you're looking at 3 or maybe 4 guys on the 2005 WC team, 2 of whom were goalies: Brodeur, Luongo, Thornton, (Doan / Heatley (if no car crash)).
-By the 2010 Olympics iteration of Team Canada, you're looking at 12 to 16 future HHoFers:
Forwards:
-Jonathan Toews
-Sidney Crosby
-Ryan Getzlaf
-Patrice Bergeron
-Joe Thornton
-Jarome Iginla
-Eric Staal (?)
-Corey Perry (?)
Defence:
-Scott Niedermayer
-Duncan Keith
-Drew Doughty
-Shea Weber (?)
-Chris Pronger
Goalies:
-Martin Brodeur
-Roberto Luongo
-M-A Fleury (?)
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Tawnos
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There's no instead here. The same period of time that they didn't have Olympic participation, there were also no other NHL-sponsored international tournaments. They didn't participate in 2018 and 2022 Olympics. There hasn't been an NHL-sponsored tournament since 2016. They are participating in the 2026 and 2030 Olympics, while ALSO having the 2025 4N, and the 2028 and 2032 World Cups.
Okay, it wasn't too bad to start, but derailed quickly. Leave the politics out of this.
Czechboy
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If I'm Finnish.. I'm enjoying the shit out of eliminating Russia (in Russia) in the quarter finals of a best on best Olympics a lot more than I would enjoy a 2016 world cup victory.
And you mocked this tourney (which I'm not a fan of either) because of a lopsided loss by Finland. Same thing losing 7-3 in a quarter of a best.on best olymoics would big me a lot more than a drubbing at the 4 nations cup.
Back to the point.. that is back to back quarters final eliminations at the most recent best on best olympics.
Only counters I'm getting are wolrd cup round robin wins and 1981 USSR team.
Ftr..I agree international hockey would be better with Russia in it. I also like a lot of the new Russian generation including a few Dmen coming up.
Fantastic work by the nhl & players!
The hockey guys are among the highest profile expat Russians in the Usa. Will be great hockey and could be a good opportunity to thaw some ice.
The hockey guys are among the highest profile expat Russians in the Usa. Will be great hockey and could be a good opportunity to thaw some ice.
tobu
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Someone on X looked at the depth of players under NHL contract (not necessarily playing in NHL today) for Slovakia, Switzerland and Germany and Germany had the least players under contract, would have to ice half of the team from DHL. But let's see how that changes in 2 years
