Better Player in their 30s - Ovechkin or Crosby

now do players over 30 lol, you know what the thread is about.
No his comparison is correct

He showed OV is ~20th in the league over this time and Crosby ~11th. Both are 30+ here

That lines up with Ov being a fringe top 20 player league wide from 2018 to now and Crosby being a fringe top 10 player league wide from 2018 to now

If you just look at over 30 players it just makes both Crosby and OV look better but doesnt show what both were doing in there 30s relative to the rest of the league.

If you look at OV just from age 30, his ppg goes down as that includes 2016 and 2017 years where he had 71 and 69 pt seadons. He produces at ~82 pts per 82 vs ~85 pts per 82 from 2018 to now (age 32 to 39).

Crosby from 2018 to now produces ~95 pts per 82.

17th to 20th vs 9th -12th best player in the leauge over this time is generally what most people would view them as
 
now do players over 30 lol, you know what the thread is about.
I won't. Takes too much time since you have to do it manually. No site, as far as Im aware of, has combined records for playoffs and regular seasons combined with customized time frames. I compiled that list before I saw this post so it is what it is.

But I'd say last five years is indicative of something meaningful that you have to acknowledge for in this discussion. Crosby being almost a top 10 scorer between the ages of 33-37 is quite the feat.
 
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I won't. Takes too much time since you have to do it manually. No site, as far as Im aware of, has combined records for playoffs and regular seasons combined with customized time frames. I compiled that list before I saw this post so it is what it is.

But I'd say last five years is indicative of something meaningful that you have to acknowledge for in this discussion. Crosby being almost a top 10 scorer between the ages of 33-37 is quite the feat.
OV with the most goals in the league since he turned 30, is quite the feat.
 
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Now do goals.

The greatest player ever, Wayne Gretzky, wasn't particularly known for his goal scoring ability but rather his ability to read the game. His assist record is even harder to break than the goal record. And there's a reason for this: hockey is a team sport. Points account for your ability to play for your team. More points = more goals the player has factored in.

Why would we need to look at the goals when total points are more important? Oh right, so that Ovi would look better and not a fringe top 20 player lol
 
No his comparison is correct

He showed OV is ~20th in the league over this time and Crosby ~11th. Both are 30+ here

That lines up with Ov being a fringe top 20 player league wide from 2018 to now and Crosby being a fringe top 10 player league wide from 2018 to now

If you just look at over 30 players it just makes both Crosby and OV look better but doesnt show what both were doing in there 30s relative to the rest of the league.

If you look at OV just from age 30, his ppg goes down as that includes 2016 and 2017 years where he had 71 and 69 pt seadons. He produces at ~82 pts per 82 vs ~85 pts per 82 from 2018 to now (age 32 to 39).

Crosby from 2018 to now produces ~95 pts per 82.

17th to 20th vs 9th -12th best player in the leauge over this time is generally what most people would view them as
This argument literally falls apart when you look at goals, goals wins games.
 
Crosby has a better PPG while also being nominated for the Selke AND also winning more Stanley Cups...

Nobody is saying that Ovie has been bad, that would be a stupid arguement to make lol, but IMO, the answer is pretty clear cut
This thread is about over 30, not overall.

Both have 1 Stanley Cup over the age of 30.
 
This argument literally falls apart when you look at goals, goals wins games.

Just look, at least, at the three comments before yours. This pov has been adressed already. Why do you just repeat it like a cymbal banging monkey toy repeats its routine on command during the Christmas Eve for the 115th time?

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Just look, at least, at the three comments before yours. This pov has been adressed already. Why do you just repeat it like a cymbal banging monkey toy repeats its routine on command during the Christmas Eve for the 115th time?

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You should pull that monkey off your back, with the struggles.
Funniest part is showing tables with one player over 30, if that’s your best, probably better to just not post it then.
 
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Different style of players in two different positions. One just broke the most coveted record in hockey at 39 yrs of age, doing much of the damage in his 30s. The other player is a top ten all-around player and is still a force at 37 yrs of age. Futile to choose one over the other. They are both top-10 all-time players who have secured their place in history for different reasons. I stay in awe of both players.
 
"Hurr durr goals" is always the reason the mouthbreathers on this forum vote Ovi. As if assists don't create goals. Give me the guy who generates significantly more offense at the more important position. And I'm sure 32 out of 32 coaches would agree.
Fr lol. This isn't even debatable. The same thing is happening with Matthews right now to a lesser degree, just a shitload of people putting too much focus on his goal totals. His 2 way play + position does compensate but it's still ridiculous nonetheless.

gOaLs aRe tHe mOsT vAlUaBlE pArT oF tHe gAmE is a laughable statement if you're completely 1 dimensional and a mid playmaker. There's a reason why it's easy to shut down goalscorers
 
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This argument literally falls apart when you look at goals, goals wins games.
Dude I don't know how hard it is to understand this but to produce a point on the stat sheet, a goal needs to have occurred.

So why exactly would anyone choose a guy that has less points? No matter what way they came about?

It makes no logical sense to care how the player got the point. Just that he did and he has more than the comparison.
 
Funniest part is showing tables with one player over 30, if that’s your best, probably better to just not post it then.

This made no sense whatsoever. You do realize that Ovi had all the opportunity in the world to be a part of that list with that one player over 30?

But I do agree it's funny Ovi is not part of the top 20 of 2020s point producers but some people still think he is better than Crosby...

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40+% of the league is Canadian, including the majority of the broadcasters. 6% of the league, and none of the media are Russian.

That affects player votes quite a bit because it it reputation based.
Oh okay, well I guess the most qualified people to be polled cannot be polled because of their potential nationality, got it.
 
I think you are being intentionally obtuse if you think there isn't a tilt in favor of Canadian players. Obviously it's not the whole picture, but when choosing between a few options that are similar, it affects the outcome.
They’re literally his peers, NHL players with NHL level brains, 90% of these guys went to Ivy League schools, I think they know how to make an unbiased decision.
 
But I do agree it's funny Ovi is not part of the top 20 of 2020s point producers but some people still think he is better than Crosby...

This is from age 35 to almost 40 for him and he’s still over point per game pace.

Not sure why you’d expect any player in that age range to be Top 20 with the young bucks in the NHL.

Both players are still impressive for their respective ages.
 
This is from age 35 to almost 40 for him and he’s still over point per game pace.

Not sure why you’d expect any player in that age range to be Top 20 with the young bucks in the NHL.

Both players are still impressive for their respective ages.

Seems to line up pretty well when comparing their careers and ppg's. Crosby is all time 9th in ppg and Ovi is 35th. Add in Stanley Cups and National Team medals and it seems like a clear answer to me.

Even when you compare active players regular season ppgs:

Sidney is number two and Ovi is 11th.

Ovi is probably alot lower when you factor in playoff performances. That's what I did in the earlier top 20 chart but you have to do it manually so I don't know how that one plays out for their whole careers or their 30s.
 

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