Better concept for the World Cup

[habsrule4eva3089]

I don't think Canada's B team is necessarily worse than their A team. I mean, Canada's team in WHC 2015 was better than the team in Sochi 2014 in some ways.

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Canada 2014 would have made a mockery of that Worlds team.

The team in 2014 was the strongest Team Canada we might see for decades, one of the strongest Hockey teams ever assembled.

It was the peak of the Golden Era of Canadian Hockey. The next era will not be as dominant.

 

[JackSlater]

and we have confirmation that the NHL thinks about having a qualification tournament for european countries in 2019.

the schedule should be like this: 2016 - WC, 2018 - Ryder Cup of Hockey in London, 2019 - qualification for WC, 2020 - WC

And btw, I would love to see Canada's B team sometime in the future.

Confirmation about "thinks". Yeah, that's worth nothing. Try answering the question posed to you - why would the NHL actually hold the qualifying tournament, when it goes against everything they have done thus far?

The Canadian B team has no place in an international competition.

 

[xxxx]

Confirmation about "thinks". Yeah, that's worth nothing. Try answering the question posed to you - why would the NHL actually hold the qualifying tournament, when it goes against everything they have done thus far?

The Canadian B team has no place in an international competition.

Thus far? I guess 2004 World Cup doesn't count.

Why? I believe so. I simply don't really believe this setup is going to be something we'll see another time. I just hope you will remember when it turns out the qualitication actually WILL take place. We'll see, I'm not saying it's a sure thing, I can't know. But I believe it.

 

[JackSlater]

Thus far? I guess 2004 World Cup doesn't count.

Why? I believe so. I simply don't really believe this setup is going to be something we'll see another time. I just hope you will remember when it turns out the qualitication actually WILL take place. We'll see, I'm not saying it's a sure thing, I can't know. But I believe it.

What does the 2004 World Cup have to do with the NHL's feeble qualification excuse?

 

[Canuckistani]

Thus far? I guess 2004 World Cup doesn't count.

Why? I believe so. I simply don't really believe this setup is going to be something we'll see another time. I just hope you will remember when it turns out the qualitication actually WILL take place. We'll see, I'm not saying it's a sure thing, I can't know. But I believe it.

In 2004 the NHL did it right by having the top eight nations compete (and all without a qualification process, so apparently one isn't needed after all). They could have easily done the same thing this time but chose not to in the interest of maximizing profits and the number of NHL players taking part.

There's no reason to think the NHL will suddenly abandon their priorities in the interest of paying for the opportunity to have more non-NHLers in 2020.

 

[xxxx]

What does the 2004 World Cup have to do with the 's feeble qualification excuse?

I guess nothing.

As I said, I believe there will be qualifiation for the european countries in 2019. I will gladly enjoy the response from you guys when something "impossible" like that, for what was no reason to believe in, happens.

 

[Back in Black]

I say just have 2 Canadian teams and call it the Canada Cup!

 

[JackSlater]

I guess nothing.

As I said, I believe there will be qualifiation for the european countries in 2019. I will gladly enjoy the response from you guys when something "impossible" like that, for what was no reason to believe in, happens.

Once again, why do you believe it will? The NHL said so? Nothing they have actually done indicates that it will happen, and in fact their actions imply the exact opposite. I would certainly prefer that it happens at least. If they NHL wanted to do such a tournament, why didn't it hold one for this event?

 

[ForumNamePending]

I think the two most likely scenarios for 2020 are as follows...

1) Something pretty similar to 2016. Perhaps even more gimmicky. Maybe the Czech Rep and/or Finland don't get an invite in favour of another non-national team. You can't have guys like Korpikoski and Polak playing, while the likes of Hall and Subban sit at home.
2) No WCup organized at all.

 

[Big Phil]

What bothers me the most is that the media really blew it here. There has to be some writer with logical thinking that knows very well this tournament is a gimmick and doesn't hold the same water as the other past tournaments. It is almost as if they got paid like a trained seal to try and get us excited about this.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

What bothers me the most is that the media really blew it here. There has to be some writer with logical thinking that knows very well this tournament is a gimmick and doesn't hold the same water as the other past tournaments. It is almost as if they got paid like a trained seal to try and get us excited about this.

Canadian sports media is atrocious covering this league with bias and no intelligent reporters whatsoever or at least ones with any reality of the situation.

There is no brute honesty or controversial comments on air at all.

I mean some of these questions they ask, it makes you think, they wasted 4 years on a education to ask this crap?

American media is more open but nobody in America cares about Hockey so they won't talk about it.

 

[1Gold Standard]

What bothers me the most is that the media really blew it here. There has to be some writer with logical thinking that knows very well this tournament is a gimmick and doesn't hold the same water as the other past tournaments. It is almost as if they got paid like a trained seal to try and get us excited about this.

There's been some criticism, but it's been selective for the most part. Nobody at Rogers SN would dare say anything overtly critical, at least not those in the hockey department, they are the host broadcaster after all and none of those morons want to risk their comfy gigs and 6 figure annual income. None of them would risk it and face having to flip burgers for a living. Duthie at TSN is critical of the tournament, but only delivers comedic jabs at the gimmicky format and never anything scathing. If my inflated salary were dependent on the NHL and this tournament, I'd imagine I'd keep my mouth shut as well...so would all of us.

but Damien Cox is the biggest hack of them all...as he was dead set against the revival of this tournament before SN landed NHL/tournament broadcast rights, but now he waves the flag the highest. Funny how that works. He's not there to promote the Damien Cox agenda, he's there to promote whatever his bosses tell him to promote...otherwise he can always go back to being a beat reporter for a newspaper. Like that industry has a future. Maybe someday when these hacks retire and are no longer beholding to their employers and masters (NHL) we'll get their real opinions as they peddle their autobiographies, memoirs of a sports broadcaster. put it on your Christmas list now. It will be a great stocking stuffer.

 

[cutchemist42]

There's been some criticism, but it's been selective for the most part. Nobody at Rogers SN would dare say anything overtly critical, at least not those in the hockey department, they are the host broadcaster after all and none of those morons want to risk their comfy gigs and 6 figure annual income. None of them would risk it and face having to flip burgers for a living. Duthie at TSN is critical of the tournament, but only delivers comedic jabs at the gimmicky format and never anything scathing. If my inflated salary were dependent on the NHL and this tournament, I'd imagine I'd keep my mouth shut as well...so would all of us.

but Damien Cox is the biggest hack of them all...as he was dead set against the revival of this tournament before SN landed NHL/tournament broadcast rights, but now he waves the flag the highest. Funny how that works. He's not there to promote the Damien Cox agenda, he's there to promote whatever his bosses tell him to promote...otherwise he can always go back to being a beat reporter for a newspaper. Like that industry has a future. Maybe someday when these hacks retire and are no longer beholding to their employers and masters (NHL) we'll get their real opinions as they peddle their autobiographies, memoirs of a sports broadcaster. put it on your Christmas list now. It will be a great stocking stuffer.

I will be honest and acknowledge I've heard as recently as 2 weeks ago SN media disown the gimmick teams, and its the same people who hated it initially. I have definitely heard McCown, Reid, and Kypreos say consistently these teams weren't needed. I know they've either said invite the top ranked 8 teams, or just do a 6 team tourney with the current NTs.

I think TSN should be hitting it harder.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I will be honest and acknowledge I've heard as recently as 2 weeks ago SN media disown the gimmick teams, and its the same people who hated it initially. I have definitely heard McCown, Reid, and Kypreos say consistently these teams weren't needed. I know they've either said invite the top ranked 8 teams, or just do a 6 team tourney with the current NTs.

I think TSN should be hitting it harder.

I heard Kypreos. but he got inflamed in a panel discussion regarding Matthews being selected. He's the only one in SN hockey department I heard being critical. Neither McCown or Reid are part of the hockey broadcast crew. and while McCown has mocked the gimmicky format, he is not nearly as critical of the NHL since Rogers acquired NHL rights. Bettman and McCown had a Hatfield and McCoy feud going on for years. but they kissed and made up and are now playing nice in the SN sandbox.

Reid? That guy still advocates for goon hockey.

 

[Back in Black]

Best concept?

Go back to calling it the Canada Cup!

 

[Zegras Zebra]

What bothers me the most is that the media really blew it here. There has to be some writer with logical thinking that knows very well this tournament is a gimmick and doesn't hold the same water as the other past tournaments. It is almost as if they got paid like a trained seal to try and get us excited about this.

I always thought it was implied that the personalities at Sportsnet were essentially told to hype up the tournament as much as possible in spite of its gimmicky format, as Rogers is in line to make a good amount of income from the World Cup. As for TSN, they pretty much only mention the tournament in terms of who is selected or who were in contention to be selected for the national teams/ U23 Team/ Team Europe. Really TSN has no external interest in getting fans excited about the tournament, as Bell won't make any money from it.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

I think the two most likely scenarios for 2020 are as follows...

1) Something pretty similar to 2016. Perhaps even more gimmicky. Maybe the Czech Rep and/or Finland don't get an invite in favour of another non-national team. You can't have guys like Korpikoski and Polak playing, while the likes of Hall and Subban sit at home.
2) No WCup organized at all.

Aho is playing while Hall and Subban sit at home.

 

[xxxx]

I always thought it was implied that the personalities at Sportsnet were essentially told to hype up the tournament as much as possible in spite of its gimmicky format, as Rogers is in line to make a good amount of income from the World Cup. As for TSN, they pretty much only mention the tournament in terms of who is selected or who were in contention to be selected for the national teams/ U23 Team/ Team Europe. Really TSN has no external interest in getting fans excited about the tournament, as Bell won't make any money from it.

I have two things to say:

- first of all, Sportsnet would hype the tournament no matter what teams were in it, whethere they are Slovakia and Switzerland, or Team Europe and Team North America. They hold the rights for the tournament, it's them who will be broadcasting the event. Never mind that the tournament itself will be special, and deserves attention.

- second thing, TSN would do likely the same if it was them who got the rights. How much attention gets the World Juniors or World Championships on Sportsnet?

 

[mattihp]

With Las Vegas joining they have the perfect venue for these kind of events.

Change it to 3vs3
Play it every other year

2020
3vs3 NHLers
"national" teams, younggunistan and Leftoverland

2022
3vs3 NHL veterans, at least 5 years removed from the NHL

2024
3vs3 NHLers
"national" teams, younggunistan and Leftoverland


etc

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

Should teams play each other twice in the group stages or is once enough?

 

[Xokkeu]

Should teams play each other twice in the group stages or is once enough?

Once.

 

[Xokkeu]

Canadian sports media is atrocious covering this league with bias and no intelligent reporters whatsoever or at least ones with any reality of the situation.

There is no brute honesty or controversial comments on air at all.

I mean some of these questions they ask, it makes you think, they wasted 4 years on a education to ask this crap?

American media is more open but nobody in America cares about Hockey so they won't talk about it.

American media consists of local beat writers who only really care which Bruin, Hawk or whatever got picked and about 10 national writers like Kevin Allen, Scott Burnside etc. Only half of whom are even worth reading.

 

[Xokkeu]

In 2004 the NHL did it right by having the top eight nations compete (and all without a qualification process, so apparently one isn't needed after all). They could have easily done the same thing this time but chose not to in the interest of maximizing profits and the number of NHL players taking part.

There's no reason to think the NHL will suddenly abandon their priorities in the interest of paying for the opportunity to have more non-NHLers in 2020.

If you want a World Cup you need a qualification process for any national federation that wants to play.

Even if it's half bogus like the World Baseball Classic, having it during the summer with only whatever players want to show up whatever.

Other wise it's disingenuous to call it a world cup. It's an invitational.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Where the NHL dimwits want to take this....

World Cup gimmicks will be declared a big hit despite being an obvious flop

NHL pulls out of Olympic participation...

Without NHL participation Russia wins its 1st. Olympic Gold Medal since Napoleon was a cadet.

A USA-Russia Summit Series is announced...4 games in Moscow 4 game at MSG adopting a WWE marketing strategy to take advantage of the current political climate to make some quick bank...

because that's the way New York wants it.

 

[varano]

Where the NHL dimwits want to take this....

World Cup gimmicks will be declared a big hit despite being an obvious flop

NHL pulls out of Olympic participation...

Without NHL participation Russia wins its 1st. Olympic Gold Medal since Napoleon was a cadet.

A USA-Russia Summit Series is announced...4 games in Moscow 4 game at MSG adopting a WWE marketing strategy to take advantage of the current political climate to make some quick bank...

because that's the way New York wants it.

I like it