Better concept for the World Cup

[The CyNick]

That's not an argument since tickets would be sold no matter what concept they came up with. This is the only best on best tourney people get. Imagine if McDonalds was the only company selling burgers for a couple of years, they could basically serve whatever **** and people would still buy it.

Simply not true. And a poor analogy.

The attendance for every game has not been equal. People will pick and choose which games to watch or attend.

 

[The CyNick]

The top 5 teams according to IIHF are qualified for the final round. Will Canada be outside the top 5? I doubt that.

For the three remaining places, we take the following nine best club. We separated them into three different groups. The teams who finished first reached the final stage of the World Cup.

I frankly don't know why you are so worried for Canada...

Why should IIHF rankings be included? Say there are no NHLers in future olympics. Why should meaningless tournaments like the Olympics and World championships calculate into the rankings for the only real best on best tournament?

I'm not worried about Canada. Just illustrating that the qualification process suggested is just as artibtrary as what currently exists.

 

[The CyNick]

So it is fine that the best hockey market with a dismal NHL team sells seats?

Bloody Australia paid 20 million for winter olympics broadcast rights. NBC paid 4 billion for 4 winter + 4 summer olympics in US.

Literally every internet board available considers this to be a joke tournament. Very hard to sell this crap as the replacement for olympics.

Little fixing and NHL can net 500mil per tournament, easily.

You're just making up numbers.

Bettman said the event was virtually sold out about a month ago. The initial TV ratings in Canada were very strong for an exhibition game. I would suspect they will go up from there.

Not sure how you came up with $500M but I'm sure you have done plenty of research to arrive at that figure and look forward to you showing your work.

 

[Exarz]

As we most likely won't see any NHL players in any of the upcoming Olympic Games (the main reason being that the IOC refuses to cover the players' inscurances), I think it's time that we abandon the thought of a best on best tournament. The IIHF and the NHL should instead jointly host a new World Cup/World Championship format hosted every second year (and every second tournament being played in North America). Even though they would split the revenue, I have a feeling that the IIHF would still get more money from this format compared to the current one, especially from the tournaments played in USA/Canada.

That would be the best concept for both the World Cup and the World Championship.

 

[Xokkeu]

Expanding the reach of NHL hockey would be great. But there's still lots of work to be done in North America before worrying about the rest of the world.

This concept is not going to do much in the states.

 

[Elvs]

If people pay to see team NA23 its an indication that the concept worked. I can all but guarantee that if you subbed out NA23 for any non top 6 nation, the ticket sales and viewership would decline.

Canada-Slovakia in Vancouver seemed pretty successfull to me.



I'm guessing the tv ratings weren't bad either.

No 10-0 or 15-0 blowout either like some people seem to suggest a best-on-best meeting between the two nations would mean. Slovakia had enough pressure near the end to have a chance to tie it.

 

[Xokkeu]

Canada-Slovakia in Vancouver seemed pretty successfull to me.



I'm guessing the tv ratings weren't bad either.

No 10-0 or 15-0 blowout either like some people seem to suggest a best-on-best meeting between the two nations would mean. Slovakia had enough pressure near the end to have a chance to tie it.

I was bored that whole game ....

 

[Gary Nylund]

If people pay to see team NA23 its an indication that the concept worked. I can all but guarantee that if you subbed out NA23 for any non top 6 nation, the ticket sales and viewership would decline. That equates to less revenue. The only way to argue the point is if so many people are offended by those made up teams would suddenly watch. But looking at tv ratings and attendance so far, it's hard to imagine that would happen.

Again, this has nothing to do with my original post. Perhaps you should go back and remind yourself what we're talking about if you wish to continue.

 

[GindyDraws]

Have more nations, for starters. 6 national teams & 2 all-star teams doesn't cut it for me.

And play it in July, when nothing is going on anywhere.

 

[The CyNick]

Again, this has nothing to do with my original post. Perhaps you should go back and remind yourself what we're talking about if you wish to continue.

I have other people to chat with, I'm not concerned about whether or not we continue. I can see how it would be important to you though

 

[The CyNick]

Canada-Slovakia in Vancouver seemed pretty successfull to me.



I'm guessing the tv ratings weren't bad either.

No 10-0 or 15-0 blowout either like some people seem to suggest a best-on-best meeting between the two nations would mean. Slovakia had enough pressure near the end to have a chance to tie it.

Canada vs anyone will draw. We're the draw, we're the team that matters.

The debate is what draws more viewers and paid tickets - a game between team NA23 vs Team Europe or a game between Slovakia and Switzerland. Regardless of what you think about the inclusion of the manufactured tans only a fool would argue Slovakia vs Switzerland would be more profitable.

That's what's funny about you people. Your only argument is that it's the all national team lineup is what is usual. From a player quality standpoint the current format is better. From a competitive standpoint the current format is better. From a revenue generation standpoint the current format is better. I'll give you that you guys really hold on to that one point very tightly though.

 

[gwh]

You're just making up numbers.

Bettman said the event was virtually sold out about a month ago. The initial TV ratings in Canada were very strong for an exhibition game. I would suspect they will go up from there.

Not sure how you came up with $500M but I'm sure you have done plenty of research to arrive at that figure and look forward to you showing your work.

Nobody can make 500mil out of this heap of rubbish. This is a bloody joke. It needs some serious attention before it s even sellable outside the US/CAN.

On the otherhand, IOC sold 4 olympics for Discovery for 1.3billion. This is europe only, and covers 2 summer + 2 winter.
https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-aw...ery-and-eurosport-for-2018-2024-olympic-games

There is some serious European TV monies in this, if NHL doesn't run it like damn rednecks.

 

[gwh]

Bettman said the event was virtually sold out about a month ago.

Sold out?
http://www.stubhub.com/world-cup-of-hockey-tickets/grouping/1505616/

(Shame... Terrible shame... Why you [MOD] if you can google under 15 seconds?)

Whoopydoo. 6 bucks a ticket to some games. Rarely over a hundred. NHL is lucky to get 50mil in ticket sales profit after the costs.

 

[blues10]

I was bored that whole game ....

You missed a good game. I was there and it was pretty crazy when Demitra almost potted one at the end to tie it. A tad bit better then the game I was at earlier in the day when the US trounced Finland 6-1.

Dropped about $1800 on tickets that day.

 

[Xokkeu]

You missed a good game. I was there and it was pretty crazy when Demitra almost potted one at the end to tie it. A tad bit better then the game I was at earlier in the day when the US trounced Finland 6-1.

Dropped about $1800 on tickets that day.

Joking!! That was one of the best games in the last two decades

 

[Xokkeu]

Sold out?
http://www.stubhub.com/world-cup-of-hockey-tickets/grouping/1505616/

(Shame... Terrible shame... Why you fling turds if you can google under 15 seconds?)

Whoopydoo. 6 bucks a ticket to some games. Rarely over a hundred. NHL is lucky to get 50mil in ticket sales profit after the costs.

Typical. People bought the package to likely see team canada game. My friends in DC were pissed they had to buy exhibition game tickets that even for $6 went unsold.

 

[ForumNamePending]

Sold out?
http://www.stubhub.com/world-cup-of-hockey-tickets/grouping/1505616/

(Shame... Terrible shame... Why you fling turds if you can google under 15 seconds?)

Whoopydoo. 6 bucks a ticket to some games. Rarely over a hundred. NHL is lucky to get 50mil in ticket sales profit after the costs.

I could be wrong but I would think most of the inventory on sites like stubhub are tickets being resold, so the WCup is probably close to sold out and the NHL/PA has made their money on ticket sales. With that said, as of right now it does look like people who were looking to make money on the secondary market could be losing their shirt. As you mentioned prices for non Canada games have collapsed and it would appear that every game, including Canada's games, has thousands of tickets available. So the WCup could very well be sold out, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be a particularly hot or in demand ticket.

 

[Elvs]

Canada vs anyone will draw. We're the draw, we're the team that matters.

The debate is what draws more viewers and paid tickets - a game between team NA23 vs Team Europe or a game between Slovakia and Switzerland. Regardless of what you think about the inclusion of the manufactured tans only a fool would argue Slovakia vs Switzerland would be more profitable.

That's what's funny about you people. Your only argument is that it's the all national team lineup is what is usual. From a player quality standpoint the current format is better. From a competitive standpoint the current format is better. From a revenue generation standpoint the current format is better. I'll give you that you guys really hold on to that one point very tightly though.

"International sport is a sport in which the participants represent different countries". That's not surprisingly the first sentence in Wikipedias description of what an International sporting event is. Say what you want about Wikipedia, but to the vast majority of people in the world, that's what international sports is.

Claiming an international event is something else is like claiming a backpack isn't something you wear on your back, just because you, Gary Bettman and a few others decides to wear it on your stomach.

Slovakia and Switzerland would be in different groups so I don't see the problem there as they wouldn't be playing eachother.



I think you are underestimating the Canadian crowd. This group match seemed to draw it's fair share of attendence.

A lot of people aren't interested in international events, we get it. And so, the only way to get these people interested in an international event like the World Cup, is to make it non-international. Fine then.

 

[Tuoppi]

Then there could be world cup for club teams and the teams could be
1 NHL Stanley cup champion
2 Stanley cup runner up
3 Host nations national champion
4 AHL champion
5 KHL champion
6 Champions hockey league winner
7 Asian hockey league champion
8 Reigning club world cup winner (offcourse not in the first year)

Another option:
Groups A and B
Stanley cup winner
Stanley cup runner up
Host nations national champion (if held in Canada best canadian team in NHL)
AHL champion
KHL champion
CHL winner
Continental cup winner
Reigning club world cup winner

Group c
Asian hockey league winner
Mexican champion
South African champion
Australian champion

Fourth placed teams in groups a and b and two best teams in group c to preliminary round. Three best teams from groups a and b straight to quarterfinals.

 

[Jablkon]

Canada vs anyone will draw. We're the draw, we're the team that matters.

The debate is what draws more viewers and paid tickets - a game between team NA23 vs Team Europe or a game between Slovakia and Switzerland. Regardless of what you think about the inclusion of the manufactured tans only a fool would argue Slovakia vs Switzerland would be more profitable.

That's what's funny about you people. Your only argument is that it's the all national team lineup is what is usual. From a player quality standpoint the current format is better. From a competitive standpoint the current format is better. From a revenue generation standpoint the current format is better. I'll give you that you guys really hold on to that one point very tightly though.

Thats why we are watching leagues and that is also the reason you probably love NHL. Purpose of international tournament is different imo. And this purpose is necessary connected with some not ideal aspects like empty seats, less popularity among some group of fans etc. France - Germany is not my favourite hockey match but I respect that it could be quite popular among hockey fans in France or Germany.

Just look at UEFA soccer Champions league. They battle every fifth year against big clubs or corporations who want their private elite league. But UEFA always find a balance between economical and other/social/soccer interests. So they provide a lot of money and they are also able to keep a lot of teams from small soccer nations in the tourney. I am basically supporter of one of that small clubs and I am happy for this opportunity. Nothing attracts people more to the sport than their team....

What NHL does here is exactly that just one unbalanced attitude. YOu can barely lead the state in the same way as private company so as you can not organize int. tourney on same principles as you manage the league imo.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I have other people to chat with, I'm not concerned about whether or not we continue. I can see how it would be important to you though

Not at all. Why would it be important for me to continue when you've drifted off topic?

 

[Xokkeu]

I could be wrong but I would think most of the inventory on sites like stubhub are tickets being resold, so the WCup is probably close to sold out and the NHL/PA has made their money on ticket sales. With that said, as of right now it does look like people who were looking to make money on the secondary market could be losing their shirt. As you mentioned prices for non Canada games have collapsed and it would appear that every game, including Canada's games, has thousands of tickets available. So the WCup could very well be sold out, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be a particularly hot or in demand ticket.

People bought the packages because they wanted to see Canada and the final. They are all trying to offload the other games. It's no different than season ticket holders who basically give away their preseason tickets.

 

[ForumNamePending]

People bought the packages because they wanted to see Canada and the final. They are all trying to offload the other games. It's no different than season ticket holders who basically give away their preseason tickets.

But currently there are still plenty of tickets available for Canada's games and the playoff games. The only difference is the price for those tickets haven't cratered

I don't doubt that many people are doing what you have suggested, but I also I think a lot of tickets were bought up by ticket brokers, agents, scalpers, etc. thinking that the WCup would be a hot/profitable ticket in the secondary market.

 

[Xokkeu]

But currently there are still plenty of tickets available for Canada's games and the playoff games. The only difference is the price for those tickets haven't cratered

I don't doubt that many people are doing what you have suggested, but I also I think a lot of tickets were bought up by ticket brokers, agents, scalpers, etc. thinking that the WCup would be a hot/profitable ticket in the secondary market.

and this my friends, is why secretly, all sports teams love scalpers. Because there are 3000 tickets for USA-Europe that were sold at face value that are now listed as low as $15. People trying offload like 10% of the venue and who know how many have already sold.

 

[The CyNick]

Sold out?
http://www.stubhub.com/world-cup-of-hockey-tickets/grouping/1505616/

(Shame... Terrible shame... Why you [MOD] if you can google under 15 seconds?)

Whoopydoo. 6 bucks a ticket to some games. Rarely over a hundred. NHL is lucky to get 50mil in ticket sales profit after the costs.

This guy doesn't understand how ticket sales work. Love when someone thinks they are countering my point, but actually strengthen my position. Amazing how that works.