Best sniper + playmaker combination in one player

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It has to be Draisaitl no? Multiple times voted the best passer by his peers in those NHLPA polls, plus multiple time 50 goal scorer

 

[10YearsHaveGone]

It has to be Draisaitl no? Multiple times voted the best passer by his peers in those NHLPA polls, plus multiple time 50 goal scorer

I agree. He has a combination of elite passing and shooting that few in the sport have ever possessed.

 

[Salsa Shark]

Panarin last season. 49 and 71 for 120

 

[Machinehead]

Low-key, Ovechkin.

He had 50 assists four times, 40 assists seven times, and he's going to retire top-50 in assists all-time.

 

[loadie]

Is this recent players or all time? All time and it’s Gretzky (92g - 120 a) and Lemieux (85g - 114 a). That’s their best years, other years we’re also insane

 

[McFlash97]

10000000% those are very difficult high skill shots. It doesnt magically make them a "snipe" though. The 2nd one was the only one that was close, but Id still not consider it a "snipe".


Not at all. he has a wide open net. I personally could score those goals easier than a breakaway. It made no sense to most, but to me they were easier. Still not a "snipe". Having a wide open net/a goalie to ricochet off of surprisingly made those a very high % shot for me.


They definitely could be, but 95%+ of snipes are bar down top corners. Find any player that played NCAA/Junior+ disagree with me.

Just stop man. Im getting 2nd hand embarrasement.

 

[benfranklin]

Just stop man. Im getting 2nd hand embarrasement.

I get it. You're an armchair fan. Some of us have actually played the sport at a high level. Every single NHL player would agree with me.

 

[Plural]

Selanne and Kurri. Both were snipers, but had top-10 assist finishes. Not best ever, but best finns ever.

 

[Turin]

Is this recent players or all time? All time and it’s Gretzky (92g - 120 a) and Lemieux (85g - 114 a). That’s their best years, other years we’re also insane

Yea in terms of being a pure shooter/sniper + being a playmaker it has to be Lemieux all time.

 

[Coffey]

Jesus this thread is a decade old.
I thought I was going nuts when I saw Semin and Malkin mentioned on the first page.

 

[McFlash97]

I get it. You're an armchair fan. Some of us have actually played the sport at a high level. Every single NHL player would agree with me.

dear lord.

 

[PuckG]

I get it. You're an armchair fan. Some of us have actually played the sport at a high level. Every single NHL player would agree with me.

Honestly, everything makes sense now. Because of your supreme acuity for this sport, I will never argue with you again.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Currently I would have to go with Draisaitl, Pastrnak, or Kucherov depending on the day. All time I find both Bossy and Iginla to be underrated for their playmaking. Johnny Gaudreau(RIP) conversely was underrated for his shot, it didn't often overpower goalies like Ovechkin or Stamkos but that kid was deadly accurate. Ton of goals from ridiculous angles on #13's highlight reel.

Wanted to mention also Sakic and Yzerman as great snipers/playmakers on offence, although they were really the full 5 tool package more than they were that specific combination.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Mike Bossy.

 

[loadie]

Jesus this thread is a decade old.
I thought I was going nuts when I saw Semin and Malkin mentioned on the first page.

I didn’t see that at all. Jesus is right. Lol

 

[Kamus]

Just stop man. Im getting 2nd hand embarrasement.

I can actually vouch for the poster Benfranklin being a a good hockey player and the outright authority of who is and is not a sniper.

I was playing against him in 2019, and he deked out two of my players and embarrassed my goalie on a semi break. We lost 4-2 with him getting the winner. Players that played in Junior called him “el Diablo Queso” for his ability to go “top cheddar”. Unfortunately, the series was cut short because his mom told us lunch was ready and we had to turn off the ps5.

 

[benfranklin]

Honestly, everything makes sense now. Because of your supreme acuity for this sport, I will never argue with you again.

Its ok to admit when youre wrong. You want your guy to get every pump up possible and Draisaitl simply isnt a sniper. Hes an amazing finisher and playmaker.

 

[10YearsHaveGone]

I get it. You're an armchair fan. Some of us have actually played the sport at a high level. Every single NHL player would agree with me.

And I bet you could throw a ball over them mountains too.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Its Dry Sandle right now no doubt. And lol at that other poster making a public mockery of himself in here

 

[benfranklin]

And I bet you could throw a ball over them mountains too.

 

[Juxta Position]

Its ok to admit when youre wrong. You want your guy to get every pump up possible and Draisaitl simply isnt a sniper. Hes an amazing finisher and playmaker.

Tell me how that isn't a "snipe." The definition of a sniper is being able to pick spots and beat goalies cleanly. You don't score 50 goals in this league routinely without that ability, and this is just one example.

Draisaitl has not scored all 387 of his goals in this league off of one-timers into open nets.

Your hate for everything Oilers is all-encompassing, and that bias in all your posts has left you with zero credibility.

Nobody cares who or where you played hockey if you can't objectively give an opinion without those opinions dripping with cognitive dissonance.

 

[benfranklin]

Tell me how that isn't a "snipe." The definition of a sniper is being able to pick spots and beat goalies cleanly. You don't score 50 goals in this league routinely without that ability, and this is just one example.

Draisaitl has not scored all 387 of his goals in this league off of one-timers into open nets.

Your hate for everything Oilers is all-encompassing, and that bias in all your posts has left you with zero credibility.

Nobody cares who or where you played hockey if you can't objectively give an opinion without those opinions dripping with cognitive dissonance.

That is the first example posted so far that is considered a "snipe". Every single player who has ever played in the NHL is capable of sniping. Certain players do it drastically more often than others and are thus considered "snipers".

I never said Draisaitl doesnt have the accuracy in his toolbox, but he rarely "snipes". Of his 387, I bet under 10 total are snipes. And that isnt a bad thing at all. If anything I applaud him for shooting high % shots vs aiming top cheese like other guys missing more often than not.

You can hate my posts, but I provide logic and data usually to back my theories. You can even disagree with my definition of a snipe and argue that simply scoring any goal is a sniper, but real hockey players will disagree with you.

 

[Juxta Position]

That is the first example posted so far that is considered a "snipe". Every single player who has ever played in the NHL is capable of sniping. Certain players do it drastically more often than others and are thus considered "snipers".

I never said Draisaitl doesnt have the accuracy in his toolbox, but he rarely "snipes". Of his 387, I bet under 10 total are snipes. And that isnt a bad thing at all. If anything I applaud him for shooting high % shots vs aiming top cheese like other guys missing more often than not.

You can hate my posts, but I provide logic and data usually to back my theories. You can even disagree with my definition of a snipe and argue that simply scoring any goal is a sniper, but real hockey players will disagree with you.

But unfortunately, you don't. you provide personal opinions based on your definitions of a said topic that are tainted with bias. That is not logic and data.

Your posting history is that of a "hater". I don't like using that term but it is an apt one when dealing with any posts from you that involve the Oilers.

And you need to stop with this "real hockey players will disagree with you" garbage. The no true Scotsman argument is a tired one that has no relevance to this discussion.

The simple fact is you do not like the Oilers or their players, which is totally fine, everyone on these boards are fans of a particular team or teams which in turn means they will have teams they dislike, but passing off personal opinions based on those biases as fact, is not fine, and completely damages credibility.

 

[Kamus]

That is the first example posted so far that is considered a "snipe". Every single player who has ever played in the NHL is capable of sniping. Certain players do it drastically more often than others and are thus considered "snipers".

I never said Draisaitl doesnt have the accuracy in his toolbox, but he rarely "snipes". Of his 387, I bet under 10 total are snipes. And that isnt a bad thing at all. If anything I applaud him for shooting high % shots vs aiming top cheese like other guys missing more often than not.

You can hate my posts, but I provide logic and data usually to back my theories. You can even disagree with my definition of a snipe and argue that simply scoring any goal is a sniper, but real hockey players will disagree with you.

How I know you never played hockey… no actual hockey player talks like that.

What’s your data?

 

[benfranklin]

But unfortunately, you don't. you provide personal opinions based on your definitions of a said topic that are tainted with bias. That is not logic and data.

Your posting history is that of a "hater". I don't like using that term but it is an apt one when dealing with any posts from you that involve the Oilers.

And you need to stop with this "real hockey players will disagree with you" garbage. The no true Scotsman argument is a tired one that has no relevance to this discussion.

The simple fact is you do not like the Oilers or their players, which is totally fine, everyone on these boards are fans of a particular team or teams which in turn means they will have teams they dislike, but passing off personal opinions based on those biases is not fine, and completely damages credibility.

Not true at all. I absolutely love McDavid and am going to be a huge fan of him on his next team. I think J Skinner is garbage and I think Draisaitl benefits greatly from McDavid and would struggle hard if he was the big boy on Utah or whatever random team where he is the true #1.

You Canadian fans simply are in greater numbers here so its easy to pick on your teams for hating on mine, who currently have the two best players in the world on it. The Dawg and Big Balls Makar. The Oilers have the third and somewhere are the 10th best players in the world.