Best scout

[WarriorofTime]

Jim Nill.

Head of Detroit's Amateur Scouting back when they would murder the draft every year. Now the GM of the Dallas Stars where they draft extremely well.

Understand he's likely not as "in the weeds" in rinks these days, but it is ultimately a General Manager's call to make selections (in particular higher ones) and so they need to know how to synthesize information, review enough footage and reports themselves and make a judgment call.

I would also say a good part of being a good "scout" is the ability to hire good "scouts", set a standard within an organization and know which ones to listen to at certain points in time. Most rank and file guys on the payroll as "scouts" are largely ultimately doing assignments in accordance with what their boss is asking them to do (i.e., look at this player and judge them based on this set of 10 criteria, make sure to look at the first three times they do X, etc.). All of that flows from the top.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

If you're talking about amateur scouts, I'd suggest Simon St-Laurent aka @19Simon19

His analysis are always super insightful :

• Blog (has english versions)
• Youtube

Absolutely not. He made major mistakes in reading the players' level of play. And what's more, he's rewriting his reading of previous drafts. When you watch the old videos again, you understand the intellectual fraud.

 

[19Simon19]

Absolutely not. He made major mistakes in reading the players' level of play. And what's more, he's rewriting his reading of previous drafts. When you watch the old videos again, you understand the intellectual fraud.

What do you mean by Rewriting his Previous Drafts ?

I made two articles when I assess some players that I got wrong and explained why.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

What do you mean by Rewriting his Previous Drafts ?

I made two articles when I assess some players that I got wrong and explained why.

The messages are not the same when I rewatch old videos and current videos.

 

[19Simon19]

Not sure I understand what do you mean. I never changed anything of my content once it's posted. Can you give concrete example ?

 

[Mathieukferland]

Absolutely not. He made major mistakes in reading the players' level of play. And what's more, he's rewriting his reading of previous drafts. When you watch the old videos again, you understand the intellectual fraud.

Sim and the EP team do a great job and put together one of the most comprehensive pre draft booklets available. Calling him an intellectual fraud is quite the accusation for someone with probably the most impressive scouting CV on this board

 

[MikeyS]

Sounds like that guy is jealous of the success of someone else.

 

[Breakers]

Mrb1p solidified his HOF scouting career when he labeled Poehling, Mete, and Juulsen as Top 40 prospects all in the same list.

Josh brook above quinn Hughes and cale maker was my favorite

 

[Seb]

Sim and the EP team do a great job and put together one of the most comprehensive pre draft booklets available. Calling him an intellectual fraud is quite the accusation for someone with probably the most impressive scouting CV on this board

I think you're confusing Simon with David St-Louis.

 

[Appleyard]

Inge Hammarström comes to mind Flyers wise.

Does not get the plaudits that Håkan Andersson gets... but an incredible record.

He pushed for Jagr but the Flyers took Ricci.
He told them the year after that they had to take Forsberg and they listened after the Jagr pass-over.
Mikael Renberg at #40.
Niinimaa in the 2nd.
Prospal in the 3rd.
Hedberg in the 9th.
Niitymaki in the 6th.
Cechmanek in the 6th.
Seidenberg in the 6th.
And Selivanov and Yushkevich had input in too for sure (albeit Zimin was the Russian scout then)

Were all picks over a 10 year period...

Flyers front office seemed to just tune him out from the early 2000s though. He left the team kind of unamicably...

"Somewhere along the way, Hammarström and the Flyers organization began to have disagreements over both the prioritization of certain types of players and the methods of developing European players. In a December 2006 interview with the IIHF Ice Times, Hammarström said that he was no fan of what he perceived as an overemphasis on size and a leaguewide tendency in the NHL to try to rush talent over to North American leagues rather than having them primarily develop at home.

Hammarström also commented on his relief over the more recent move away from what he saw as an over-emphasis on scouting for size, saying "you could barely watch the games" in the late '90s to early 2000s.

"I don't dare to speculate how many talents we lost during those years," he said."

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Hire Grundberg to Revive Their Swedish Scouting

www.hockeybuzz.com

Then he went to Vancouver...

Gustav Forsling
Elias Pettersson

were 2 of the last 3 picks in his career from his region.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Sim and the EP team do a great job and put together one of the most comprehensive pre draft booklets available. Calling him an intellectual fraud is quite the accusation for someone with probably the most impressive scouting CV on this board

You're impressed. Not me.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Sounds like that guy is jealous of the success of someone else.

500 views on YouTube, I don't call that being successful.

I have my reasons. Just yesterday, I discovered an anomaly with this guy.

He made two completely different 2024 final lists, where he contradicted himself two days apart. In his last video, he said things about what he thought of Silayev last year, but it doesn't match what he said last year.

And then there are the cases of players who appear in his top 32 and end up undrafted (without having dropped in level). It's simply that he misrepresents the world's level, nor necessarily appreciates the selectivity of certain players.

I'd also add that he and his team have poor relations with their rare audience and don't demonstrate great honesty, such as applying censorship when their contradictions are highlighted and proven.

Total discredit for me. I've been listening to these guys less and less in recent months; I think I'll listen to them more in a year.

However, there are also flaws in the other French-speaking competitors. Simon Boisvert says a lot of nonsense. The guy from La Releve lied by claiming to have seen and analyzed a Swiss match he didn't see.

 

[Castle8130]

@19Simon19 is a beast at scouting too

 

[FlyguyOX]

Judd Bracket. Easy.

 

[19Simon19]

500 views on YouTube, I don't call that being successful.

I have my reasons. Just yesterday, I discovered an anomaly with this guy.

He made two completely different 2024 final lists, where he contradicted himself two days apart. In his last video, he said things about what he thought of Silayev last year, but it doesn't match what he said last year.

And then there are the cases of players who appear in his top 32 and end up undrafted (without having dropped in level). It's simply that he misrepresents the world's level, nor necessarily appreciates the selectivity of certain players.

I'd also add that he and his team have poor relations with their rare audience and don't demonstrate great honesty, such as applying censorship when their contradictions are highlighted and proven.

Total discredit for me. I've been listening to these guys less and less in recent months; I think I'll listen to them more in a year.

However, there are also flaws in the other French-speaking competitors. Simon Boisvert says a lot of nonsense. The guy from La Releve lied by claiming to have seen and analyzed a Swiss match he didn't see.

Hahahaha !

You're basically lying at everything.

I have a list in French and a list in English. Both are published the same day and both are the same.

I had Silayev 4th all year, never had anything but praised for him. You'll never be able to find where I said two opposite things on him cause I never did.

Players in my Top 32 that ends up being undrafted ? Never happened . Up to you to point out the players.

Poor relations with the audience ? I barely interact on Twitter publicly, and my DMs are open to anyone. Everyone that ask me questions in DM, I've always been courteous. Same here. Tons of people will be able to vouch for it.

You're talking about contradictions being proven but so far you've just threw a bunch of silly accusation without any concrete evidence.

Yet again, if you claim you have proof of such contradictions, different list, lying or anything else, it's up to you to post them. You know you won't find shit. Nobody has ever doubted my transparency before.

 

[BondraTime]

Hahahaha !

You're basically lying at everything.

I have a list in French and a list in English. Both are published the same day and both are the same.

I had Silayev 4th all year, never had anything but praised for him. You'll never be able to find where I said two opposite things on him cause I never did.

Players in my Top 32 that ends up being undrafted ? Never happened . Up to you to point out the players.

Poor relations with the audience ? I barely interact on Twitter publicly, and my DMs are open to anyone. Everyone that ask me questions in DM, I've always been courteous. Same here. Tons of people will be able to vouch for it.

You're talking about contradictions being proven but so far you've just threw a bunch of silly accusation without any concrete evidence.

Yet again, if you claim you have proof of such contradictions, different list, lying or anything else, it's up to you to post them. You know you won't find shit. Nobody has ever doubted my transparency before.

Wouldn’t bother, he’s a savant in his eyes, has to boost his ego

 

[19Simon19]

Wouldn’t bother, he’s a savant in his eyes, has to boost his ego

Thanks. It'd be wiser for me to follow your advice.

I don't mind the disagreement, but to accuse me of lying and falsifying my own work is a completly different thing.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Inge Hammarström comes to mind Flyers wise.

Does not get the plaudits that Håkan Andersson gets... but an incredible record.

He pushed for Jagr but the Flyers took Ricci.
He told them the year after that they had to take Forsberg and they listened after the Jagr pass-over.
Mikael Renberg at #40.
Niinimaa in the 2nd.
Prospal in the 3rd.
Hedberg in the 9th.
Niitymaki in the 6th.
Cechmanek in the 6th.
Seidenberg in the 6th.
And Selivanov and Yushkevich had input in too for sure (albeit Zimin was the Russian scout then)

Were all picks over a 10 year period...

Flyers front office seemed to just tune him out from the early 2000s though. He left the team kind of unamicably...

"Somewhere along the way, Hammarström and the Flyers organization began to have disagreements over both the prioritization of certain types of players and the methods of developing European players. In a December 2006 interview with the IIHF Ice Times, Hammarström said that he was no fan of what he perceived as an overemphasis on size and a leaguewide tendency in the NHL to try to rush talent over to North American leagues rather than having them primarily develop at home.

Hammarström also commented on his relief over the more recent move away from what he saw as an over-emphasis on scouting for size, saying "you could barely watch the games" in the late '90s to early 2000s.

"I don't dare to speculate how many talents we lost during those years," he said."

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Hire Grundberg to Revive Their Swedish Scouting

www.hockeybuzz.com

Then he went to Vancouver...

Gustav Forsling
Elias Pettersson

were 2 of the last 3 picks in his career from his region.

I'm guessing you're well aware that Jagr told the Nordiques, Canucks, Red Wings, & Flyers he wouldn't come over so that he could fall to 5 to the Penguins because he wanted to play with Mario. Not sure if Jagr was ranked ahead of Owen Nolan, but I'm guessing he was in serious consideration to go 2nd overall, Brian Burke has talked about Jagr told the Canucks he wasn't coming over so the Canucks drafed Nedved at 2.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Hahahaha !

You're basically lying at everything.

I have a list in French and a list in English. Both are published the same day and both are the same.

I had Silayev 4th all year, never had anything but praised for him. You'll never be able to find where I said two opposite things on him cause I never did.

Players in my Top 32 that ends up being undrafted ? Never happened . Up to you to point out the players.

Poor relations with the audience ? I barely interact on Twitter publicly, and my DMs are open to anyone. Everyone that ask me questions in DM, I've always been courteous. Same here. Tons of people will be able to vouch for it.

You're talking about contradictions being proven but so far you've just threw a bunch of silly accusation without any concrete evidence.

Yet again, if you claim you have proof of such contradictions, different list, lying or anything else, it's up to you to post them. You know you won't find shit. Nobody has ever doubted my transparency before.

I mistook you for Seb Gagné. Sorry.

I don't know who you are so I have no opinion on you.