Best player for us since 2000?

[BrindamoursNose]

In a single season, or over their tenure?

Single season, I'd probably say Forsberg or Pronger their first years here.

Tenure, it's G or Gagne.

 

[TheKingPin]

Who's second to G? That's a far more interesting question.
I really don't know who to pick.

That's what I'm thinking as well.

Very telling stats for G, thanks Appleyard.

I would like to go with Pronger, but he didn't play a lot for us. The fact that he lead us to within a few wins of the cup, and has done that so many times with other teams is pretty telling.

 

[smokey]

Even though I'm not a big fan of his fighting style, Brashear was the last heavyweight champ we had, so just based on reputation I'd go with him. However, Riley Cote was a lot more entertaining, so gets my vote
.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Who's second to G? That's a far more interesting question.
I really don't know who to pick.

For me, it is Gagne. Those two (Giroux and Gagne) are 1-2 no-brainers IMO. They are also probably my two favorites over that time.

 

[StoneHands]

Are the people putting Briere above guys like Richards just basing it off of playoff performance alone and nothing else? Briere only scored 60+ points twice while he was with the Flyers compared to Richards who had 60+ 4 years in a row, all of which he also finished top 10 in Selke voting. Richards even had 2 point per game seasons, Briere had none. Richards was also a good playoff performer, though not as good as Briere, but he was clearly the better offensive player in the regular season while also being a great defensive player while Briere was brutal in that aspect of the game. I get it that Richards left the team on weird terms and all but I feel like people in this thread forget how good he was.

For me it's:
Giroux
Gagne
Richards

 

[tytech]

Mine were always the point leaders

Giroux
Richards
Gagne
Roenick
Recchi

 

[sa cyred]

Always thought Desjardins & Timonen were underrated. Our defense was solid with Desjardins back there. Once he retired those years without a #1 we were one of the worse teams in the NHL defensively. Kimo comes and all of a sudden we have a true #1 and back to be solid defensively. Now again, while we have some solid young players defensively we struggle on defense with no #1.

I go Timonen #2, Gagne #3, Desjardins #4.

 

[Vikke]

Remaldo gets no respect. Sad!

 

[Rebels57]

01 - Giroux
02 - Gagne
03 - Timonen
04 - Richards
05 - Briere
06 - Carter
07 - Voracek
08 - Simmonds
09 - Pronger
10 - Hartnell

 

[Rebels57]

Are the people putting Briere above guys like Richards just basing it off of playoff performance alone and nothing else? Briere only scored 60+ points twice while he was with the Flyers compared to Richards who had 60+ 4 years in a row, all of which he also finished top 10 in Selke voting. Richards even had 2 point per game seasons, Briere had none. Richards was also a good playoff performer, though not as good as Briere, but he was clearly the better offensive player in the regular season while also being a great defensive player while Briere was brutal in that aspect of the game. I get it that Richards left the team on weird terms and all but I feel like people in this thread forget how good he was.

For me it's:
Giroux
Gagne
Richards

Playoff performance is more important than regular season performance so it's perfectly valid to have Briere ahead of Richards based on that. Especially when you factor in Richards' Houdini Act in the 2010 Finals.

 

[PALE PWNR]

Are the people putting Briere above guys like Richards just basing it off of playoff performance alone and nothing else? Briere only scored 60+ points twice while he was with the Flyers compared to Richards who had 60+ 4 years in a row, all of which he also finished top 10 in Selke voting. Richards even had 2 point per game seasons, Briere had none. Richards was also a good playoff performer, though not as good as Briere, but he was clearly the better offensive player in the regular season while also being a great defensive player while Briere was brutal in that aspect of the game. I get it that Richards left the team on weird terms and all but I feel like people in this thread forget how good he was.

For me it's:
Giroux
Gagne
Richards

Obviously yea. Playoff Performance is kind of a big deal.

 

[sobrien]

You got that twisted, since there was only one player on this team with heart Remaldo.

That's unequivocally false, considering we are talking within the era of The Klotz.


No heart was given, no heart was taken like The Klotz giveth and taketh.

 

[Appleyard]

Here are all the single seasons in that time that were over 1 adjusted PPG (40+ games played):

Sorted by adjusted PPG:

Giroux 2011-12 (103 adjusted points, 1.34 adjusted PPG)
Forsberg 2005-06 (73 adjusted points, 1.22 adjusted PPG)
Recchi 2000-01 (82 adjusted points, 1.19 adjusted PPG)
Giroux 2013-14 (96 adjusted points, 1.17 adjusted PPG)
Richards 2007-08 (81 adjusted points, 1.11 adjusted PPG)
Primeau 2000-01 (79 adjusted points, 1.11 adjusted PPG)
Giroux 2012-13 (53 adjusted points, 1.11 adjusted PPG)
Voracek 2013-14 (90 adjusted points, 1.10 adjusted PPG)
Gagne 2005-06 (78 adjusted points, 1.08 adjusted PPG)
Carter 2008-09 (88 adjusted points, 1.07 adjusted PPG)
Voracek 2013-13 (52 adjusted points, 1.07 adjusted PPG)
Recchi 2003-04 (86 adjusted points, 1.05 adjusted PPG)
Richards 2008-09 (83 adjusted points, 1.05 adjusted PPG)
Giroux 2010-11 (83 adjusted points, 1.01 adjusted PPG)
Roenick 2001-02 (76 adjusted points, 1.01 adjusted PPG)
Giroux 2014-15 (81 adjusted points, 1.00 adjusted PPG)

Times on the list:

Giroux: 5x
Voracek: 2x
Richards: 2x
Recchi: 2x
Carter: 1x
Gagne: 1x
Forsberg: 1x
Roenick: 1x
Primeau: 1x

 

[Hapiii]

Jody Shelley

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Jody Shelley

 

[Hapiii]

I went to watch that video right after my answer, that video is gold

 

[Striiker]

That never gets old.

 

[StoneHands]

Playoff performance is more important than regular season performance so it's perfectly valid to have Briere ahead of Richards based on that. Especially when you factor in Richards' Houdini Act in the 2010 Finals.

Wasn't he matchup up against Toews in that series? I could be wrong but I would assume he was since he was the shutdown center at the time. If so, he completely shut down Toews who only had 1 ES point that entire series after scoring 26 points in 16 games in the first 3 rounds.

Obviously yea. Playoff Performance is kind of a big deal.

From '08-'10 Mike Richards had 50 playoff points in 57 games(.88 points per game). I can see that argument for Carter who was never a good playoff performer but Richards was and he was also matched up against the other team's top lines and while Briere was a scoring machine in the playoffs he was also a liability defensively.

To me, you have to weigh everything and while playoff performance may be more important than regular season, Richards numbers along with his defensive play made him a much better overall player for the Flyers in my opinion.

I just find it odd that people have Gagne over Briere completely ignoring the fact that Gagner was never good in the playoffs but then have Briere over Richards strictly based on playoff performance which Richards even though Richards was also a great playoff player.

 

[Appleyard]

Also, another ridiculous Giroux stat.

Since 2000 here is the full list of top 20 'point finishes' for Flyers, I.E. the highest they came in league scoring:

Giroux: 3rd, 2011-12
Giroux: 3rd, 2013-14
Voracek: 4th, 2014-15
Giroux: 10th, 2014-15
Giroux: 11th, 2010-11
Carter: 12th, 2008-09
Recchi: 12th, 2003-04
Giroux: 13th, 2012-13
Richards: 17th, 2008-09
Voracek: 18th, 2012-13
Giroux: 19th, 2015-16

Also since 2000 here is the full list of top 20 'PPG finishes' for Flyers, I.E. the highest they came in league PPG:

Giroux: 3rd, 2011-12
Giroux: 8th, 2013-14
Voracek: 9th, 2014-14
Forsberg: 9th, 2005-06
Recchi: 12th, 2000-01
Carter: 14th, 2008-09
Richards: 15th, 2008-09
Giroux: 17th, 2014-15
Giroux: 18th, 2012-13
Giroux: 19th, 2010-11
Richards: 20th, 2007-08

 

[kudymen]

My heart says it's Timonen.

My mind says it's Rinaldo.

Where is Mandog?

 

[Striiker]

Where is Mandog?

He said who would be ranked 2nd... ManDog is obviously 1st.

 

[SportsPhan8]

Who's second to G? That's a far more interesting question.
I really don't know who to pick.

Great point/question

I'd say Timonen. He reminds me of Rico.

 

[SportsPhan8]

Btw, Gagne didn't become a great player/sniper until Foppa got here, plus Richards was an excellent two-way player, so I'd put him ahead of Gagne.

G
Richards
Timonen
Gagne
Briere
Carter

Last couple= subject to change

 

[TCTC]

Wasn't he matchup up against Toews in that series? I could be wrong but I would assume he was since he was the shutdown center at the time. If so, he completely shut down Toews who only had 1 ES point that entire series after scoring 26 points in 16 games in the first 3 rounds.

Yeah, Richards and Toews pretty much cancelled each other out during that series. Both players had a great playoffs up to that point.

My top 5:
Giroux
Gagne
Richards
Briere
Timonen

 

[SportsPhan8]

I think people are giving Gagne way more credit than he deserves. All he could do was score goals, was way one-dimensional, wasn't a great passer, defensive forward or leader. The only other thing he has going his way in this case is longevity.