Agent007
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Value of: Best Center YOU would Trade for Canucks 2025 1st (15th) + Tom Willander?
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Killer Orca
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Wonder if Islanders would bite on that package for Barzal? Islanders could really jump start the rebuild adding Willander the 15th pick not to mention the cap space to go after someone else as well.
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Strong rumors in Montreal that Zegras and a 2nd would fetch Mailloux and pick #21, had Demidov not been picked and/or Hage not available at #21.
Both Canucks pieces are superior, so it does appear to be an overpay for Zegras.
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Really depends if the Canucks see him as a centre or a winger
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I don’t think he’s available, but he would easily be my number one target if he was
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I personally feel this way, if we can't find a legit second line center. Looking at that list i'm like whats the point. Just try to sign someone in the free agent pool, draft a player, keep willander, and tank hard for Mckenna.
Zegras or Kadri are probably the two Cs that could be moved for that. Not saying they are worth that but saying that would be the best you could get.
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Nope, not for that package. ESPECIALLY with the uncertainty of Wilander's future. Trading for him to walk when he graduates is utterly stupid. Same goes for Horvat.
That's great but it doesn't apply to Willander at all his floor is Nick Leddy with better skating.
Probably not as Zegras isn't really a center but the Ducks could use a top pairing RHD as most of their D prospects are LHD.
Barzal isn't a viable center, he is small and weak on the dot and doesn't really fit into any Canuck teambuilding plans except he is from the area.
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Not for the Ducks.
A year ago Luneau's recovery from illness was unknown, Moore was a UFA risk, and they had little else at RD. Now Moore is signed to an ELC and had an impressive cup of coffee, Luneau had a tremendous AHL season, and Helleson came outta nowhere and established himself as an NHLer. And in the short term they still have Gudas and added Trouba. I wouldn't call it settled long term, but it's far from dire.
Oh and let's not forget that both Lacombe and Zellweger have experience both before and in the NHL playing on their off side.
Besides which, it was never really confirmed that it was anything more than yet another in a long line of Mtl fantasy trade proposals.
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I see Islanders more retooling rather than tear down and build up. Guys like Barzal only get traded if we basically trade for a better player either in the same or sperate deal
If you dig into his stats, his first two years as a 60 point player were as a center. His production fell off a cliff when the new coach Cronin put him on the wing & demanded that he give up his creativity for a more defensive, 200' game (to be fair, he did more or less accomplish at the cost of total points). Under Cronin his stats skyrocketed when he was a substitute center when one was hurt. Unfortunately he doesn't really have the size nor the faceoff win % for a useful top lines center.
Where he's going to ultimately end up playing is still up in the air, but to say he's not really a center is a bit disingenuous. Now that Cronin's gone, the new coach may put him back there on the 2nd or 3rd line & may thrive once again. Or he may figure out how to be an effective winger (which he has done recently) & stay there. Time will tell.
Fair enough but its just my opinion here and he has injury concerns and frankly I'm not interested in the Canucks trading Willander straight up.
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No one has a spare center they would trade just because the value is “good” on paper. You will be shopping for cap casualties and overpriced vets with this package. Possibly from a team steering into a skid on a rebuild. Maybe you could get Ryan O’Reilly for example.
Curb your expectations.
Sadly Rutherford and Allvin appear to be so dismally bad at doing their jobs, they will offer up Willander and their first rounder for a marginal 2C-3C or yet another often injured 2C.
Rutherford and Allvin's unhinged utterings in the press, clearly signal their desperation and other teams can sense the blood in the water and are circling.
The Canucks haven't had a more dysfunctional and wildly incompetent management team, well, since their last management team.
Sadly Rutherford and Allvin appear to be so dismally bad at doing their jobs, they will offer up Willander and their first rounder for a marginal 2C-3C or yet another often injured 2C.
Rutherford and Allvin's unhinged utterings in the press, clearly signal their desperation and other teams can sense the blood in the water and are circling.
The Canucks haven't had a more dysfunctional and wildly incompetent management team, well, since their last management team.
I do think Zegras is a good buy low candidate. He really is one of the most creative players around. Unfortunately creativity isn't necessarily the most valuable currency when it comes to being productive in the NHL.
But buying low means trading one of these 2 assets not both, which accounts for the risk that Zegras never progresses as a player. Willander for Zegras could be similar to Drouin for Sergachev for Anaheim.
Willander is going to be a stud. I've always said, his game is a mix of Weegar/Tanev
I'd hang on to him. If they do have to trade Q Hughes next year, then you can have a proper rebuild and burn it all down to the ground and still build around Willander and D-Petey. If the rebuild goes well then youll have Willander and D-Petey at 24-25 yrs old entering their prime surrounded by high end prospects.
Hronek might be the Dman I'd look to trade now.
Top pairing Right Shot Dman signed to a very good contract. He would have a lot of value in the trade market.
Canucks would still be alright on Defence and can shore up some forward spots through the Hronek trade or using the assets received from trading Hronek.
Hughes-Willander
M Pettersson- Myers
D-Petey- Mancini
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Thats a very good Dcore and young to boot.
I'd hang on to him. If they do have to trade Q Hughes next year, then you can have a proper rebuild and burn it all down to the ground and still build around Willander and D-Petey. If the rebuild goes well then youll have Willander and D-Petey at 24-25 yrs old entering their prime surrounded by high end prospects.
Hronek might be the Dman I'd look to trade now.
Top pairing Right Shot Dman signed to a very good contract. He would have a lot of value in the trade market.
Canucks would still be alright on Defence and can shore up some forward spots through the Hronek trade or using the assets received from trading Hronek.
Hughes-Willander
M Pettersson- Myers
D-Petey- Mancini
Forbort
Thats a very good Dcore and young to boot.
Anticipating Rutherford and Allvin will fix the 2C problem they created is like putting Dumb and Dumber in charge of CERN and telling them to reverse-engineer the TARDIS using IKEA instructions and a leaf blower.
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Soon the Penguins will be doing the same for the First Rounder they draft with the return for Marcus Pettersson which was really just a camouflage trade by Dumb and Dumber to get off of the horrendous contracts they had just signed with Danton Heinen, and Vincent Desharnais.
Allowing them to make the trade for a 2C could be even more franchise crippling especially when they signed Dakota Joshua's contract and traded for Phil Chytil's anchor contract and it is not looking good.
The Media takes no notice.
Cause why?
Allowing them to make the trade for a 2C could be even more franchise crippling especially when they signed Dakota Joshua's contract and traded for Phil Chytil's anchor contract and it is not looking good.
The Media takes no notice.
Cause why?
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For a first and Willander? I don't expect Larkin or Barzal for that but to say we might get that package, lol MIGHT, you are radically undervaluing what the Canucks are giving up here.
Djp
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What was given up for Horvat and Nelson us comparable to eilsnder+15 in a weak draft
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