Berube Stanley Cup Lines 2019 - What are the main differences compared to leafs?
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LeafsFan89
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Winnipeg over one of TB, Florida, or Boston in the first round?
Lol, probably team concept and warrior mentality over the individualistic mercenary culture we have with the Leafs.
rumman
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NO. Leafs can’t touch the heart and soul on this Blues team, sure they have more high end talent, but we know that doesn’t mean squat in the playoffs. Plus that D is miles better than this D Pizza Boy has cobbled together……..
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Berube might be more willing to spread out the offense across 3 lines.
But the forwards need finalizing first
But the forwards need finalizing first
I don’t believe we have the depth to match that blues team, but that can change after the deadline.
It was a solid team, but it was a cup winner because of one reason IMO, Jordan Binnington. A hot goalie is the single biggest factor in the playoffs. They can’t score you goals, but they can make the biggest difference. See Bob, Vas, Quick, etc. Our biggest opportunity to become a legit contender is with Woll staying healthy and playing to his ability.
It was a solid team, but it was a cup winner because of one reason IMO, Jordan Binnington. A hot goalie is the single biggest factor in the playoffs. They can’t score you goals, but they can make the biggest difference. See Bob, Vas, Quick, etc. Our biggest opportunity to become a legit contender is with Woll staying healthy and playing to his ability.
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Lets do a comparison - based on roster right now and what I'd like to see berube do
Jaden Schwartz--Brayden Schenn--Vladimir Tarasenko
Knies - Matthews-Domi (I think this is as good or better than Blues)
IMO Knies > Schwarts and
Matthews > Schenn.
Tank>>Domi though, but Domi can up his game (I hope)
Sammy Blais--Ryan O’Reilly--David Perron
McMann - Tavares - Nylander (If Nylander and McMann can cook - this could be as good or better.)
IMO McMann>Blais McMann also plays heavy hockey
ROR>> Tavares IMO. Tavares is just too slow. I don't doubt Tavares' heart or determination its just he is too slow
Nylander>Perron when it comes to speed, shot, playmaking HOWEVER Perron > Nylander when it comes to bigboy hockey, scoring garbage goals, going to the net and in the corners or taking hits to make plays
Pat Maroon--Tyler Bozak--Robert Thomas
Robertson*-Holmberg-Marner (i think its pretty comparable and could be better if marner pulls his weight.
Robertson has finnesse/speed Maroon has FAT
Bozak and Holmberg IMO are pretty comparable except Bozo was good at face-offs
Marner is just finesse, Thomas was big boy hockey though )
Ivan Barbashev--Oskar Sundqvist--Alex Steen
Dewar-Kampf-Jarnkrok/Reaves (Blues 4th line is clearly better IMO)
Joel Edmundson--Alex Pietrangelo
Rielly-Tanev
Blues had twin towers back there with this pairing, for us Rielly will have to up his game). I think blues clearly have a better #1 pair
Jay Bouwmeester--Colton Parayko
OEL McCabe
Again Blues have twin towers back there. I liked McCabe's game, OEL is TBD though. I think this may be comparable to Blues 3rd pair.
Carl Gunnarsson--Robert Bortuzzo
Benoit Liljegren
I think Blues pairing is better in terms of snarl; Leafs pairing is better in terms of puck movement (I am high on Lily btw...) Long story short. Given teh systems blues played their 3rd pair is better than leafs 3rd pair
Binnington
Woll/Stolarz
Its goalies so its voodoo LMAO
One thing is for certain IMO; Berube cannot coach the same style of hockey for the Leafs as we don't have the personnel especially on defense to play that style. I think our forward group is more skilled BUT.... cannot play bigboy hockey (especially marner when there is no time/space i.e. in playoffs).
Will be interesting to see how Berube coaches Leafs because they are very different in make-up and structure than the Blues team that won the cup.
On paper we have more skill, we just haven't shown much heart, intensity, desire or to use ShanaCon's phraseology "killer instinct". On paper our forward group is much better and blues defensive group is much better. However, when it comes to heart and soul, determination, fighting for pucks/position, board battles, going to the net to score garbage goals, etc... Blues overall have significant edge over the Leafs as the roster currently stands. And in playoffs, fancy shit goes to hell, its the WILL over SKILL that matters in playoffs as games get tighter, and tighter and tighter with no time and space.
TBD of course.... One thing I am absolutely sure about is that if Berube has the same systems as the Blues he was running, leafs will not achieve the results because the personnel they have do no mimic the personnel blues had. Berube will have to be inventive
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OVO16
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Dead on.
That Blues team was much more like the current Panthers in play style and mentality compared to our roster.
Berube might be in for a steep learning curve with this group
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They were mean, great D, timely goaltending, and had skilled leaders. The atmosphere was terrific.
The Leafs have none of that.
The Leafs have none of that.
Buds17
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We did have five of those players in our lineup at one point or another. Realistically, different teams, different conferences, different paths to the Cup. The team's current roster should also change even further once the push to the playoffs really amps up. I can't yet determine if this team is better or worse than the team which began its playoff series on the road in Boston and ultimately lost in seven.
LeafsFan89
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I hope he changes it. That's what he was brought in to do I feel like.
That St Louis team is built way, way different. Idk if Berube’s dump and chase, grind style will work with an up tempo, skilled lineup. I hope so but I’m not sure how well of a fit his systems will be when he doesn’t have the personal to implement them.
Stephen
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I think this year's Nashville Predators will have a lot more in common with the Blues than this version of the Leafs. The comparison isn't really worth making at this point.
Imo for us to be comparable we need a 3rd line an upgrade on 4c, and a 2 top 4 defence, one of which has 40+ point upside.
We can call out the bros for not getting it done but i feel like they have it in them with the right coaching.
the bummer is too many gaps to fill via trade and no cap space so as usual we will be good, but not good enough. The bros leaving no cap for depth are 100% at fault for that (and the people who agreed to the contracts)
Knies. Matthews. Nylander
Domi Tavares. Marner
Xxxxx. Xxxxxx. Xxxxxx
Mcmann. Xxxxx. Jarnkrok
Rielly. Tanev
Xxxxx. Xxxxxx
OEL. McCabe
Woll/Stolarz
We can call out the bros for not getting it done but i feel like they have it in them with the right coaching.
the bummer is too many gaps to fill via trade and no cap space so as usual we will be good, but not good enough. The bros leaving no cap for depth are 100% at fault for that (and the people who agreed to the contracts)
Knies. Matthews. Nylander
Domi Tavares. Marner
Xxxxx. Xxxxxx. Xxxxxx
Mcmann. Xxxxx. Jarnkrok
Rielly. Tanev
Xxxxx. Xxxxxx
OEL. McCabe
Woll/Stolarz
TMLBlueandWhite
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The Leafs defense isn't anywhere close to that Blues defense.
Pietrangelo > Rielly Parayko > Tanev
Bouwmeester > Liljegren. Edmundson > McCabe
Gunnarsson > OEL Bortuzzo > Benoit
We can argue over a couple of the minor players.
Maybe Benoit is slightly less insignificant than Bortuzzo. Maybe Gunarrson and OEL are the same level of stink. What's not up for debate, however, is the fact the Blues top end talent was far superior to the current state of the Leafs.
Binnington was also on a heater no goalie in Leafs history during my lifetime has ever come close to achieving.
Amply helped by that magnificent defense they had. Meanwhile I'm not convinced the Leafs defense is even any better than last years. Let lone a Stanley Cup contending one.
it definitely isn't better than the Blues defense was when they won the cup.
Pietrangelo > Rielly Parayko > Tanev
Bouwmeester > Liljegren. Edmundson > McCabe
Gunnarsson > OEL Bortuzzo > Benoit
We can argue over a couple of the minor players.
Maybe Benoit is slightly less insignificant than Bortuzzo. Maybe Gunarrson and OEL are the same level of stink. What's not up for debate, however, is the fact the Blues top end talent was far superior to the current state of the Leafs.
Binnington was also on a heater no goalie in Leafs history during my lifetime has ever come close to achieving.
Amply helped by that magnificent defense they had. Meanwhile I'm not convinced the Leafs defense is even any better than last years. Let lone a Stanley Cup contending one.
it definitely isn't better than the Blues defense was when they won the cup.
I think it will be the other way around. It’s the players that will have to adjust, and that will likely take some time. My guess is they will get off to a slow start this season until their new game starts to click.
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notDatsyuk
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Gunnarsson was top pairing on the Leafs, probably second pairing on most teams, and third on the Blues.
Not a knock against Binnington, but that D made his life pretty easy.
Not a knock against Binnington, but that D made his life pretty easy.
The Blues top 3 defenders were clearly a notch above what we have.
At forward, our top 6 is better than theirs was. Our bottom 6 is suspect though.
Voodoo Child
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Tough, hard to contain first line.
Tough, defensively responsible second line.
Tough third line with some touch.
Fourth line good, not ass made up of PTO vets and league min types.
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Franchise defenseman paired with physical shutdown type.
Elite second pair.
Responsible third pair.
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Binnington.
The differences are no Pietrangelo - Mo is close to him now and not even in the same Galaxy as 2019 all situations beast Pietrangelo, not as good two way play in the top six and a fourth line that isn’t a massive liability. For what it’s worth, Schenn, ROR, Perron and Tank were still in their primes.
That’s also a tough, hard-nosed group with huge buy in, not like the nancies we have.
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CincoHolio
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3 of their top 4 would have easily been our #1.
I actually don't mind how our D looks on paper this season coming up. puts into perspective how incredible that D was at the time.(or how bad the Leafs' has been...eek)
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Da Mash
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Didn’t the goalie stand on his head on the cup run? And then came back to earth?
They finished 3rd in the central and got a hot goalie in playoffs.
then went on to exit the playoffs in the 1st round the next 2 yrs and then lost in 2nd round after that.
Where was all the heart and guts then?
I find it funny they had 3 ex leafs on their cup team.
Get a hot goalie and it can make a good team win the cup.
When is the last time the leafs ever had a “hot” goalie in playoffs?
That being said…the game changes in playoffs and a 5th seed with a hot goalie and big defencemen that can interfere and crosschecks with the best of them can have success.
They finished 3rd in the central and got a hot goalie in playoffs.
then went on to exit the playoffs in the 1st round the next 2 yrs and then lost in 2nd round after that.
Where was all the heart and guts then?
I find it funny they had 3 ex leafs on their cup team.
Get a hot goalie and it can make a good team win the cup.
When is the last time the leafs ever had a “hot” goalie in playoffs?
That being said…the game changes in playoffs and a 5th seed with a hot goalie and big defencemen that can interfere and crosschecks with the best of them can have success.
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