Crosbyfan said:At least one of these guys and quite possibly both will make the allstar team.
neelynugs said:i think they both will...but looking back at your original post, i'd say there's really no way you can compare these two guys. i'm as big of a bergeron fan as can be, but realistically, ovechkin is miles ahead of him. that said, i'll gladly take bergeron over urquhart or kostitsyn
Crosbyfan said:Both have improved IMO since then and I still believe they are comparable. However, the consensus then was that they weren't even close. Ovechkin was thought by most to become a sure franchise player and Bergeron only a somewhat better than average NHLer. Many thought Bergeron was an excellent second round "find" but should still not be top 10 or 15 if '03 draft was redone.
With a good WJC Bergeron may change poster's perception of him.
I also don't get the "miles ahead" part. Although Ovechkin is bigger and stronger Bergeron plays the game as well and possibly has better hands.
EroCaps said:This thread is absurd. Better hands?..please.
Saabato said:Bergeron is a good young talent but completely on another level than Ovechkin. A lower level.
Ovechkin is a world class player or at least develop into one. Bergeron is a capable NHL'er at best. You cannot compare the two.
Saabato said:Bergeron is a capable NHL'er at best. .
wilka91 said:Is Bergeron from Quebec? Cuz if he's French, then I gotta like him!
neelynugs said:he sure is- even better, he grew up hating the habs
Crosbyfan said:Finally someone comes up with a real flaw.
However, this does not explain why Bergeron is so sucessful on the ice, and yet trails Ovechkin in the imagination of so many!
AgentNaslund said:its a Pejorative Slured question. Patric Bergeron is an awesome player no questions asked. Can do everything offensively. Great player now, gonna be a great player in years to come.
But you cannot compare him to Oveckin. Oveckhin is gonna be franchice player superstar player. Bergeron top line offensive winger. A few all star games, not in the same range as Oveckin. Will be a Canadian candidate for 2010 if he keeps his developement going. BTW Bergeron is doing way better then Oveckin at the world juniors, but that still means nothin.
No offence, buddy, Bergeron or Oveckin is a stupid question to ask.
Its like asking people who you rather have? Zac Parice or Sydney Crosby. Not even close.
Jaded-Fan said:Wow . . . how much wasted time on this? How many posts?
Sorry, but from a Pens fan (who of course knows that Malkin is > AO) let me come to AO's defense. How fast would the trigger be pulled if AO was offered for Bergeron straight up? And who do you think would be the one tripping all over themselves to pull the trigger?
The prosecution rests.
PS, I am not so sure that Craig Patrick would pull that straight up trade, Malkin for AO if offered. Prosecution rests again. But I will say that it is a hell of a lot closer than AO for Bergeron. That one is not even close.
Crosbyfan said:Your post is of course "more of the same"... not much insight as to why Bergeron's RESULTS are as good or better than Ovechkin's.
Jaded-Fan said:Wow . . . how much wasted time on this? How many posts?
Sorry, but from a Pens fan (who of course knows that Malkin is > AO) let me come to AO's defense. How fast would the trigger be pulled if AO was offered for Bergeron straight up? And who do you think would be the one tripping all over themselves to pull the trigger?
The prosecution rests.
PS, I am not so sure that Craig Patrick would pull that straight up trade, Malkin for AO if offered. Prosecution rests again. But I will say that it is a hell of a lot closer than AO for Bergeron. That one is not even close.
EroCaps said:You're kidding yourself if you don't think Patrick would pull the trigger on a Malkin-AO trade. Didn't he try to put something together on draft day?
EroCaps said:You're kidding yourself if you don't think Patrick would pull the trigger on a Malkin-AO trade. Didn't he try to put something together on draft day?
I like this post- this may be a horsebleep analogy but as a Patriots (and Bruins) season tix holder I love Tom Brady. But if I had first choice today in the Draft I'd take Payton Manning. Bergeron is an organization's dream but AO is one of those guys you see every 4 or 5 years in a Draft that has Super Star all over him. I have pretty much only read about the exploits of AO as if it was 1940 reading about Ted Williams or Joe Dimaggio. You have to use your imagination when you haven't seen him except here and there. Bergeron you watch and appreciate how good he is but even as a Bruins fan I can't for the life of me believe I'd take Bergeron over him. Hey, I loved Dave Keon as a kid growing up but I wouldn't have taken him over Phil Esposito. I would think Crosby vs Overchkin would be more appropriate. Again, seen little of Crosby but haven't seen this much hype since Lindros and only Lemieux since the draft instituted for talk.DanyHeatley#1Fan said:If you're talking about RIGHT NOW, Bergeron is better than Ovechkin. Pat is dominating the World Juniors in a way I don't recall a player to have done since Forsberg/Naslund. But this is obvious that no NHL GM would trade Ovechkin for Bergeron. Ovechkin is way more skilled that Bergeron will ever be. The only 2 reasons why Pat Bergeron is more EFFECTIVE then Ovechkin RIGHT NOW is because Bergeron has NHL experience under his belt and he has a heart as big as Canada.
But again, if you give me the choice between Bergeron and Ovechkin, I take Sacha. In the long run he is the obvious choice. Bergeron will probably be a great player but no where near Ovechkin. The only case I can make for Bergie is that he is more effective right now.