Value of: Benoit Pouliot to the AVS

[Seanaconda]

If you want pouliot you will have to offer something good. He's still a decent player and is normally on pace for 50 points a year if he just didn't get injured./ he takes some bad penalties but why give him to you if you don't offer anything we want or need.

 

[One Winged Angel]

are you doubting that tyson barrie has great talent?

I think he's pretty good, but when we start using words like great, you start talking about the very best of the very best, which I don't think he is, to be fair.

I wouldn't mind having him though.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I think he's pretty good, but when we start using words like great, you start talking about the very best of the very best, which I don't think he is, to be fair.

I wouldn't mind having him though.

He's currently tied for 7th in defenseman scoring since the start of the 2014-15 season. Where would he need to rank to be considered one of the very best of the best offensive defensemen in the league?

I'm not saying that his defensive play doesn't leave something to be desired, just looking at people who fill the same role he does.

 

[MessierII]

I don't see the need to ship him out. If Avs are out of the playoffs at the deadline and oil are still in the mix I'd love to grab iggy for some playoff depth.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

I think he's pretty good, but when we start using words like great, you start talking about the very best of the very best, which I don't think he is, to be fair.

I wouldn't mind having him though.

lol offensively he is one of the greats in todays game at making it happen from the back end.

 

[LTIR]

Rather keep Pouliot and expose him to expansion draft..
There is a minimum salary EDM has to expose.. Fayne + Pouliot should cover that.. Pouliot is also needed in EDM with Lucic struggling and Maroon playing over his head. EDM needs the depth.

 

[rynryn]

that was a bad contract when you signed it. maybe not for the Oilers, who had the cap and a load of top tier talent for cheap. GL getting out of it without getting something with warts back. Most teams need to pay full price for their leaned-on players and can't afford a contract like Benny P's for his history.

 

[Connor]

Pouliot contributes more positive to the team than otherwise, Oilers shouldn't be looking to give him away.

 

[La Bamba]

Rather keep Pouliot and expose him to expansion draft..
There is a minimum salary EDM has to expose.. Fayne + Pouliot should cover that.. Pouliot is also needed in EDM with Lucic struggling and Maroon playing over his head. EDM needs the depth.

Exactly this.

Also, the Oilers are in no need to just 'give away' Pouliot. His numbers suck so far this season but he has shown the past few years that he is a solid contributor and he meshes well with most players on the team.

If I had to trade Pou to the Avs, I'd probably ask for Grigorenko. Grigs will probably be a KHLer in a couple of years but I'd take the risk and pray he develops into a good 3rd line C who can chip in ~40 pts offensively.

 

[PAZ]

Do you guys have any offensively skilled RHD coming up through the system? If so and you were worried about money coming back our way, how about Comeau + RHD B grade prospect for Pouliot and a B grade LHD prospect?

Would've been Kyle Wood, but he was traded away last year. Avs don't have any other RH OFD in the system.

 

[McSuper]

good colorado doesn't want the extra salary for an overpaid player who only serves a single purpose and has "lost his place"

1) The buyer does not set the price . An Avs fan made the thread . So we can set the price .
2)Lost his place ? How do you think so ? He is doing well and his offence will come . You don't see the coach benching him . This was a fail attempt of you trying to rip a player . Again we are happy to keep him
3) Overpaid ? Iginla and his 5.333 million would like to say hi . Iginla pays almost 1/2 Pouliot 3 year salary . I think I will take the useful player at a little more then double the salary for 3 years then the useless one at 1/2 for 1 year . I also think there is a market for Pouliot and even if there not he can be made available to Las Vegas
4) Yes Iginla is spare parts . You are miss quoting 2 postings . One ask for Barrie with more added . While another said we are not moving Pouliot for spare parts as in Iginla

 

[Balthazar]

1) The buyer does not set the price . An Avs fan made the thread . So we can set the price .
2)Lost his place ? How do you think so ? He is doing well and his offence will come . You don't see the coach benching him . This was a fail attempt of you trying to rip a player . Again we are happy to keep him
3) Overpaid ? Iginla and his 5.333 million would like to say hi . Iginla pays almost 1/2 Pouliot 3 year salary . I think I will take the useful player at a little more then double the salary for 3 years then the useless one at 1/2 for 1 year . I also think there is a market for Pouliot and even if there not he can be made available to Las Vegas
4) Yes Iginla is spare parts . You are miss quoting 2 postings . One ask for Barrie with more added . While another said we are not moving Pouliot for spare parts as in Iginla

Pretty sure it's an Oilers fan that asked for Iggy in the first place. AVS fans know that Iggy won't waive his NMC.

Also, Iggy is making 5.33M this year but his current cap hit is less than that and his contract is expiring at the end of the year so absolutely no risk there.

 

[Ivan13]

A 3rd liner making 4 milion is just what the Avs need.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

A 3rd liner making 4 milion is just what the Avs need.

Pouliot has been a 2nd liner the entire time he's been in Edmonton and even with the addition of Lucic he's still situated in his regular spot on the 2nd line, that line has more of a bias towards being a shutdown line this season so it partially to blame for him being off pace in this early season.

The past 2 seasons he has provided 2nd line level offense as evidenced by his point per game average and that is without having a feature role on the powerplay where he isn't particularly strong. What he is traditionally very strong at is even strength point production.

Even with his slow start to the current season his 5 on 5 pts/60 since the 2014/15 season to today sits at 1.92 Pts/60.

For comparison sake here are Colorado's 6 highest even strength points per 60 players over the same timespan:

Matt Duchene= 2.28 Pts/60
Joe Colborne= 1.86 Pts/60
Gabriel Landeskog= 1.82 Pts/60
Jarome Iginla= 1.78 Pts/60 (a strong 2014/15 season is propping this number up)
Nathan MacKinnon= 1.74 Pts/60
Carl Soderberg= 1.49 Pts/60

So Pouliot if he could find his way back to his average level of play would be your 2nd best even strength point producer and at the moment Colorado is dead last in the league at 5 on 5 goals scored with 16, which is 22 goals less than league leading NYR and 10 less than CGY who are basically middle of the pack in Goals for at even strength.


Pouliot is not a player I expect a kings ransom for, but he's also not someone we are looking at throwing away either(well atleast not till we have some more important players to sign i.e. McDavid). In the off-season I could see letting him go for something quite marginal if we think we could spend that cap space better elsewhere, but mid-season he's helping us win games unless we are getting something that is going to help us more or we get futures value that is a little too good to pass up not much reason for us to trade him.

 

[One Winged Angel]

He's currently tied for 7th in defenseman scoring since the start of the 2014-15 season. Where would he need to rank to be considered one of the very best of the best offensive defensemen in the league?

I'm not saying that his defensive play doesn't leave something to be desired, just looking at people who fill the same role he does.

lol offensively he is one of the greats in todays game at making it happen from the back end.

Overall, he isn't a "great talent". Now if this is going to deteriorate into the usual fanboy pissing contest because someone doesn't think someone's favorite player is great, then have at it, I honestly don't care.

However, he isn't all that good defensively. I wouldn't mind having him, I think him and Marc Staal could make a serious pair.

 

[Goulet17]

Overall, he isn't a "great talent". Now if this is going to deteriorate into the usual fanboy pissing contest because someone doesn't think someone's favorite player is great, then have at it, I honestly don't care.

However, he isn't all that good defensively. I wouldn't mind having him, I think him and Marc Staal could make a serious pair.

You seem upset that a poster referred to Barrie as a "great talent," which has essentially led to to an argument over semantics. All of this is occurring on a thread in which several posters are pumping the tires of Benoit Pouliot of all people. The irony seems fairly rich to me.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

You seem upset that a poster referred to Barrie as a "great talent," which has essentially led to to an argument over semantics. All of this is occurring on a thread in which several posters are pumping the tires of Benoit Pouliot of all people. The irony seems fairly rich to me.

but he took the high road and called it a fan boy pissing contest over my use of a subjective term. that means he wins because he took the high road.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The thing with Pouliot is he's signed for 3 seasons (including this one) at 4M per and it's risky, to say the least. He has history with injuries, he's 30 already and he's having a rough start on top of that. That's a 4M/year gambling for the AVS, who are already struggling with the cap but are in dire need of top 6 players.

Keep in mind that the main reason why the Oilers would want this trade would be to get rid of Pouliot's contract...the return would be minimal unless they'd agree to retain salary.

Why would the Oilers want to get rid of him? We don't need cap space, We like our depth and have no reason to trade him if the return doesn't help us just cause we have 2 better options.

He's struggling but he's been good for a 15-20 goal pace the last 3 seasons and I'm confident that he will pick it up and give us some depth scoring when we need it.

 

[A91]

Other than his garbage minor penalties Pou is a great player, also one of the few skilled vets we have on the squad. Happy with him.