Bennett hit on Stolarz (no supplemental discipline) MOD WARNING IN POST #621

[KniesMadeBradyCry]

Alright then nothing to be done here , if nobody is gonna do anything I guess just move on? No biggie

Any retaliation will be a 5 minute major and a suspension.

 

[Kranix]

I just want to bump this to make sure people know how terrible the study is.

"Survey participants were recruited from the international clinical research registry of the Concussion Legacy Foundation, a 501 (c) (3) public charity based in the United States with chapters in Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Individuals must be at least 18 years of age to join the registry. Inclusion criteria included: playing sports at any level, and age 30 or under. The study was limited to younger athletes to limit recall bias and to minimize the risk of the data being influenced by outdated definitions of concussion, given changes due to rapid advances in the scientific understanding of concussion over the past 20 years [36,37]. In addition, surveying younger athletes increased the likelihood that participants had received formal concussion education due to the proliferation of state concussion laws requiring education of athletes that were put in place between 2009 and 2012 [38]. There were no additional inclusion or exclusion criteria. Our study was conducted in accordance with ethical standards and was granted exemption from Institutional Review Board (IRB) review (2024P000442)."

A study to test every player who shakes their head during a game to see if they have a concussion is needed now to counter this one.

I agree, Nowinski citing the head shake with the mask on is uninformed about just how common that is for goalies. I don't know anything about the SHAAKE study, and I don't care. It's been subsequently pointed out Stolarz shook his head almost immediately after his mask flew off, and that to me, unscientifically indicates a bit of a bell-ringing. I think it was the combo of the puck, and Bennett making incidental contact.

 

[Edmonton East]

I just want to bump this to make sure people know how terrible the study is.

"Survey participants were recruited from the international clinical research registry of the Concussion Legacy Foundation, a 501 (c) (3) public charity based in the United States with chapters in Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom. Individuals must be at least 18 years of age to join the registry. Inclusion criteria included: playing sports at any level, and age 30 or under. The study was limited to younger athletes to limit recall bias and to minimize the risk of the data being influenced by outdated definitions of concussion, given changes due to rapid advances in the scientific understanding of concussion over the past 20 years [36,37]. In addition, surveying younger athletes increased the likelihood that participants had received formal concussion education due to the proliferation of state concussion laws requiring education of athletes that were put in place between 2009 and 2012 [38]. There were no additional inclusion or exclusion criteria. Our study was conducted in accordance with ethical standards and was granted exemption from Institutional Review Board (IRB) review (2024P000442)."

A study to test every player who shakes their head during a game to see if they have a concussion is needed now to counter this one.

RIGHT?!?! It's absurd and frankly concerning that a couple folks pushed back against my initial critiques of that "expert's" claims. Saying I can't comment because I'm not a neuroscientist LOL. Like, are some people incapable of thinking for themselves? Even a little bit???

My ranting about that laughable 72% claim:
"Right...more blindly trust the experts nonsense. Have we learned nothing? Some people have agendas and/or are generally incompetent across all professions. From janitor to rocket scientist. This appeal to authority nonsense needs to stop. He was a WWE superstar turned CTE advocate/spokesperson.

Common sense would tell you that 72% of people that shake their head slightly after contact (object, hit, whatever) don't have a concussion. Give me a break. Dude gets funding for CTE research and is an author and speaker. His number is laughable and not remotely believable to anyone that's played a contact sport. Now, I'm sure you could splice the data and cherry pick samples do arrive at this trash pre-conceived notion (as you can with literally anything)....FUN WITH NUMBERS BABY. But he screwed up...he needs to at least make his lie believable....for most people anyway."

"Nah man, apparently 72% of the time you shake your head after a hit/object contact in sports, you have a concussion apparently! Blindly trust the WWE Superstar turned CTE advocate/author/"phd neuroscientist". Don't use common sense! I must have had 250 concussions by now. Miracle I'm still alive.

I can't believe people blindly repeat this obvious trash. It's sad. No degree of healthy skepticism.

And I've said he probably had a concussion from the puck hit since last night. So, I'm not disagreeing with that. Just pointing out obviously junk science/statistics by that "expert"."

"Apparently there are a dozen+ concussions per game if we blindly trust that totally unbiased "expert". Someone alert the media!

Run the story right after the red wine makes you live longer segment. Then again 2 weeks later after the red wine kills you sooner segment to be safe. Gotta make the public aware!"

 

[AvroArrow]

If you look closely after the shot to the face Stolarz also does the shake once without the helmet on. I guess he was just fixing his hair on that one.

Definitely couldn't have been the elbow to the head. Dude shook his head after his helmet came off, concussion confirmed lmao

 

[swiftwin]

Don't paint us all with that brush. It's not 'people' saying that. That post has zero likes. He's all alone suggesting the Leafs try to hurt someone.

"You people" being people who want to see someone on the Panthers hurt over this. Not Leafs fans in general.

 

[swiftwin]

Looked like a nothing burger play. I wouldn't be surprised if Stolarz was concussed on the Reinhart shot and tried to play through it and the Bennett bump just made it worst.

Exactly this.

 

[dukeofjive]

Happens like twice a game in beer league, hockey is a physical sport no ways about it.

I have never vomited on the bench before and I've taken way worse than whatever this was.

So you get hit in the head twice a game, what beer league do you play in?

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Doubt we get any public comment on it, but whether it was the shot to the mask, the hit from Bennett or both, that's a huge miss by the concussion spotter.

 

[notbias]

I agree, Nowinski citing the head shake with the mask on is uninformed about just how common that is for goalies. I don't know anything about the SHAAKE study, and I don't care. It's been subsequently pointed out Stolarz shook his head almost immediately after his mask flew off, and that to me, unscientifically indicates a bit of a bell-ringing. I think it was the combo of the puck, and Bennett making incidental contact.

It's him citing his own study, which he likely makes a living from trying to prove... the study is terrible honestly, and my comment was not directly pointing it out to you, but pretty much anyone using it as a good indication he got a concussion on that play.

 

[ashs]

Kadri would've gotten multiple games.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Just a quick conspiracy recap.

NHL executive vice president Colin Campbell hates the Leafs:

• He was turned down for the Leafs’ GM job in 2006, a position he greatly coveted, turning down other lucrative offers from other teams.
• He despises Leafs’ assistant coach Marc Savard, who he’s accused of being a “faker” and complained about to officials after he drew calls on his son, current AGM of the Florida Panthers Gregory Campbell.
• He was the person who decided Matt Cooke would not face any further discipline after he effectively ended Savard’s career with a headshot.
• After finally being forced to step down from his position as head of player safety, his job would be taken by Brendan Shanahan, who would then go on to take an executive position with the team that Campbell desperately wanted to run.
• Colin Campbell’s son’s team miraculously manages to accidentally injure players game after game, year after year, mostly avoiding punishment.

His son is the AGM of the Florida Panthers too.

 

[Gallagbi]

Doubt we get any public comment on it, but whether it was the shot to the mask, the hit from Bennett or both, that's a huge miss by the concussion spotter.

In fairness it's tougher to pull a goalie than a player

 

[swiftwin]

Stolarz suckers Greig in the head = "hahahah, that's so funny, suck it Greig."

Bennett gently brushes Stolarz's head = "Reeeeeeeee, why doesn't the NHL care about head shots?"

 

[izlez]

Could have been something as simple as shaking your head to dislodge sweat dripping down towards your eyes.

Regardless if incidental or not…didn’t mean to do it…isn’t it supposed to be about protecting the player who got hit in the head? Shouldn’t that be the basis for giving out a suspension (i.e., a game). And then if it’s really blatant and clear that was the primary/intended target (i.e., the head), the number of games should increase significantly?

Shouldn’t that be what both the league and players union is for to really remove as much head contact as possible from the game?

Maybe that would change something about the Panthers mindset? Like play hard but avoid the head?

I just pulled up the highlights from last nights game. Marner makes head contact 0.1 seconds into the game. Seth Jones makes head contact on the opening goal 32 seconds into the game. Are we going to suspend those players for game 2 while we determine how intentional they were to know if we're going to extend the suspensions? Or are we going to play a physical sport?

 

[ProjectPanthers]

So you get hit in the head twice a game, what beer league do you play in?

I don't get smacked in the head, but there's contact, in the corners, in front of the net, etc. It happens. Sticks flying, etc.

Bennett's contact was situational, and yes, that happens all the time in hockey.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I'm in the camp that the puck to the dome was the main cause here, but that "72% headshake predicting concussion" junk is one of the most nonsensical "statistics" I've ever seen. That dude should be embarrassed. How the hell do you measure that? This is fun with numbers. Not remotely believable.

You can read the paper yourself.

It’s perhaps you that should be embarrassed.

Edit: the most hilarious part is how so many people here have zero clue how under-diagnosed concussions are.

Yes, you absolutely could have had a concussion and not known it.

The survey-based study isn’t a great level of evidence but the PPV was 72% which is what he was referencing in his tweet.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

In fairness it's tougher to pull a goalie than a player

I'm not sure how that's the case in the context of what the concussion spotter's job is.

 

[notbias]

I don't get smacked in the head, but there's contact, in the corners, in front of the net, etc. It happens. Sticks flying, etc.

Bennett's contact was situational, and yes, that happens all the time in hockey.

Playing in the lowest divisions of beer league is never fun, no one can control anything.

If you're getting hit in the head multiple times a game though, you should probably hang them up or get better and move up some divisions, one day it won't be so soft, and it isn't worth it.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

For sure, pushes to the back, stick whack to the shinpads=elbow to the back of a goalies head.

It was brutal for Ottawa when Greig puked after that, was stretchered out and went to the hospital

No elbow btw

 

[ProjectPanthers]

Playing in the lowest divisions of beer league is never fun, no one can control anything.

Yah I never said I was an all-star, bud

 

[notbias]

Yah I never said I was an all-star, bud

Never said you were, just seems like a pointless thing to do... risk head injury to win Z division...

 

[Kranix]

For sure, pushes to the back, stick whack to the shinpads=elbow to the back of a goalies head.

It was brutal for Ottawa when Greig puked after that, was stretchered out and went to the hospital

forearm from follow-through of striding by after trying to stuff in a rebound.

 

[AvroArrow]

I’m not justifying anything, I said the earlier puck to the face may have exacerbated any injury sustained from Bennett running into him. But continue on with your bullshit ranting about garbage organization. You’re blinded by your emotions

Buddy, you guys employ Bennett, Marchand and Tkachuk LOL

Those 3 quite literally are the top 3 dirtiest players in the league. Prior to this you employed Gudas, who's probably top 5 dirtiest player.

Always dirty hits and headshots with intent to injure. Tkachuk at the end of the game tries to take Marner out, but I'm the one blinded by emotions lmao.

If the rulebook was actually enforced against you guys you'd have multiple suspensions every post-season, garbage organization that just tries to injure guys because big daddy Campbell is watching over them.

 

[Summer Rose]

Never said you were, just seems like a pointless thing to do... risk head injury to win Z division...

I won a C league championship once. Pinnacle of my sporting career! I even dove to block shots and took one off the face (luckily I was wearing a cage).

To be fair I was like 20 years old at the time. Not the best idea I've ever had to play that way.

 

[JKG33]

Kadri would've gotten multiple games.

False. Kadri in fact did not get suspended for a much more malicious and intense contact that took Binnington out of the 2022 playoffs with an injury.