Post-Game Talk: Below average goaltending + below average finishing + below average defense = ugly losses

[Spawn]

Ive bashed Skinner a bit in this thread but I'll say he can be better. He will be better

They don’t call you Mr Positive for nothing, I’ll give you that

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Weird how the actual real data shows they are not. Weird how the actual data shows that when Bouchard is on the ice- his team has possession and generates more shots, more higher danger chances, and more goals than they allow. I don’t know- do you win games if you score more and prevent goals from being scored?

Like I said- you have a bias with zero supporting evidence.

since the 4 Nation break ended, Bouchard is tied for a team worst -9 in ES goal differential

 

[McShogun99]

Posted 6 days ago. It’s astounding that having .900 goaltending gives this team a huge difference in W/L record compared to shit that’s 6-18 with sub .900

Anybody still trying to defend the goaltending at this point are f***ing dumb. Simple.
It’s always been the shit goaltending this season being the Achilles heel of this team. Stu simps must be related to Jason Gregor

I’ve posted in previous years that if we get .900 goaltending then we’re winning the Cup. We finally got it last years playoffs and came a goal away. It shouldn’t be to much to ask just to get an average goalie.

 

[KCC]

Outside of a few turnovers, EDM deserved the win last night. But terrible puck luck (4 posts) combined with Skinner flubbing that first goal was the difference. Those are the type of goals Stu will never stop giving up and come playoff time he's going to cost the team big time. Again. And it's management's fault. McDavid is wasting his peak years because management is hell bent on sticking with a back up goalie. He should be in the minors with Jack Campbell at this point.

 

[McAsuno]

I mean one look at his own recent posting history shows numerous posts like "great save, Stu" and "another save by Stu" and stuff like "Skinner is the least of our problems" and even a post saying "Colorado season saviour Blackwood currently rocking a 0.625sv%," which I can't imagine he would post for any other reason than to say we made the right call in avoiding Blackwood. But I guess he's right about himself in that he did not literally say, verbatim "Stu is a great goalie," so at least he has that going for him...



Strange, it's like goalies can actually get worse season over season (over season). Strange, it's like Skinner isn't playing worse than most of the other starting goalies we've had in recent memory. Strange, it's like Skinner and Pickard aren't the worst goaltending tandem of any team in a playoff position and were at one point, and still may be, in the bottom third of all tandems in the league for GSAx.

So strange.

EDIT: I made a typo, meant to say our tandem was and still may in the bottom three of all tandems in the league for GSAx, as in one of the three worst tandems in the entire league for GSAx. Even my own subconscious doesn't want to believe our goaltending is that bad.

I give full credit to Skinner when he makes great saves or has a good game. However frankly, his good games have been 1/10 with the other 9 being terrible. I have no idea why anybody can say good things about his game. The 1st goal against last night wouldn’t have happened if not for his garbage rebound control. Then I watch players like Tuch who try to shoot high glove on him or go for a wrap around attempt also. If those types of scoring chances aren’t evident of teams or players doing their homework on his major weaknesses then idk. Poor rebound control, awful lateral movement, bad high glove side. Skinner has been awful this season. More so than a Koskinen who played with a much more inferior oilers roster.

I’ve posted in previous years that if we get .900 goaltending then we’re winning the Cup. We finally got it last years playoffs and came a goal away. It shouldn’t be to much to ask just to get an average goalie.

Yep pretty much. The team has won a lot of games when the goalies post a .900 average. But somehow it’s more of their fault for losing when our sieves constantly give up these gross .800 ish numbers in net.

If Draisaitl’s glare at Skinner at the end of the game or Perry/Nuge/Knob saying the goals against deflated the team hasn’t been any more of an indication on why the goalies especially Skinner has been garbage, then I have no idea why Skinner defenders come out to glaze his ass and deflect blame elsewhere. They’re just as bad as Louie and Jack with the “that wrister was deceptive.” Meanwhile Wedgewood and vejmelka makes harder highlight reel saves. Us? Deflect deflect and more deflect for the lamest goals against scored on this sieve.

 

[Mr Positive]

since the 4 Nation break ended, Bouchard is tied for a team worst -9 in ES goal differential

The best Dmen have stretches like that too. What matters is the whole season

Besides, I still remember in the playoffs. Bouchard has another gear. He was even much better than Ekholm imo

 

[McFlash97]

Reflects management well.

Bowman should be fired immediately.

Bowman should have been fired yesterday. Today and any day thereafter is too late. They let him hang around at the trade deadline and the guy thinks giving up a 1st for Walman was the greatest move since sliced bread.

goaltending wasn't even on his radar. Anyone thats put on skates can tell how trash Skinner is and how useless and soft our wingers are.

trade RNH for fxxxx sakes. He is done. Its over. The guy was soft in his prime, now hes soft, slow and does nothing on McDavids wing 5 on 5. Just leech's secondary assists here and there.

Hyman, Frederick, and Savoie are all we can move forward with. Get some experienced young bloods with some hands in there. Willing to go through a wall for McDrai. Always looking to push the pace and drive the net. Anyone that does not fit this bill can gtfo here.

 

[MessierThanThou]

I give full credit to Skinner when he makes great saves or has a good game. However frankly, his good games have been 1/10 with the other 9 being terrible. I have no idea why anybody can say good things about his game. The 1st goal against last night wouldn’t have happened if not for his garbage rebound control. Then I watch players like Tuch who try to shoot high glove on him or go for a wrap around attempt also. If those types of scoring chances aren’t evident of teams or players doing their homework on his major weaknesses then idk. Poor rebound control, awful lateral movement, bad high glove side. Skinner has been awful this season. More so than a Koskinen who played with a much more inferior oilers roster.


Yep pretty much. The team has won a lot of games when the goalies post a .900 average. But somehow it’s more of their fault for losing when our sieves constantly give up these gross .800 ish numbers in net.

If Draisaitl’s glare at Skinner at the end of the game or Perry/Nuge/Knob saying the goals against deflated the team, then I have no idea why Skinner defenders come out to glaze his ass

Hell, I was praising him hard after the Dallas series, and it was definitely the most positive I've ever been on this board.

I mean we should all give players credit for playing well when they do, but just a glance at the aforementioned person's recent history shows praise for Skinner wherever possible and every attempt to deflect blame whenever possible. So yeah, it's good for a chuckle that he's the one to ask where Stu's apologists are...

 

[guymez]

Hell, I was praising him hard after the Dallas series, and it was definitely the happiest I've ever been on this board.

I mean we should all give players credit for playing well when they do, but just a glance at the aforementioned person's recent posting history shows praise for Skinner wherever possible and every attempt to deflect blame whenever possible. So yeah, it's good for a chuckle that he's the one to ask where Stu's apologists are...

Just curious...this keeps getting thrown around...where are these notorious Stu apologists?
Who are they?

 

[McAsuno]

Hell, I was praising him hard after the Dallas series, and it was the probably the happiest I've ever been on this board.

I mean we should all give players credit for playing well when they do, but just a cursory look at the aforementioned person's history shows praise for Skinner wherever possible and every attempt to deflect blame whenever possible. So yeah, it's good for a chuckle that he's the one to ask where Stu's apologists are...

Yep, my thoughts exactly.
Skinner hasn’t shown shit this season for me to place any confidence with him in the net going into the playoffs. All it takes is one or two weak ass deflating goals against from him to turn a playoff round into a must win next game or the series clincher, and the dressing room will be cleaned up and empty for another long off season.

 

[Mr Positive]

Bowman should have been fired yesterday. Today and any day thereafter is too late. They let him hang around at the trade deadline and the guy thinks giving up a 1st for Walman was the greatest move since sliced bread.

goaltending wasn't even on his radar. Anyone thats put on skates can tell how trash Skinner is and how useless and soft our wingers are.

trade RNH for fxxxx sakes. He is done. Its over. The guy was soft in his prime, now hes soft, slow and does nothing on McDavids wing 5 on 5. Just leech's secondary assists here and there.

Hyman, Frederick, and Savoie are all we can move forward with. Get some experienced young bloods with some hands in there. Willing to go through a wall for McDrai. Always looking to push the pace and drive the net. Anyone that does not fit this bill can gtfo here.

Even if Bowman liked our goalies, that's fine with me, even though I disagree sharply. Just like with Cooper in the 4 nations, he made a choice to stick with Binnington even though everyone said he should switch. The criticism was very intense.

However, what I don't like is that we aren't talking about a difficult move. Why on earth would Bowman not want an insurance policy in net? At least Cooper had a choice to make.

We have cap space. We could have brought in a cheaper option. If you care about the position you could have a whole dossier of candidates who are smart gambles, at low cost even

What if Skinner gets injured? Bowman did a great job overloading the defense and forward position with options and injury insurance. I love that he did that. But no 3rd goalie? Why?

 

[Soundwave]

Yep, my thoughts exactly.
Skinner hasn’t shown shit this season for me to place any confidence with him in the net going into the playoffs. All it takes is one or two weak ass deflating goals against from him to turn a playoff round into a must win next game or the series clincher, and the dressing room will be cleaned up and empty for another long off season.

Honestly I'm kinda leaning towards Pickard becoming the so-called 1A ... I think his game is sharper this year even though both are plainly back ups.

Rodrigue maybe should be given a look, unlikely he's the answer either but what other options do we have at this point.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Just curious...this keeps getting thrown around...where are these notorious Stu apologists?
Who are they?

You mean aside from the person mentioned in the post to which you're directly responding?

You may have missed some intriguing takes yesterday, where a few people here claimed that McDavid not scoring in Game 7 is a bigger reason why we lost than Skinner letting in what should've been a routine save. And don't even get me started on the deadline day thread... Still trying to regain some IQ points after reading so much brain-rotting drivel.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Honestly I'm kinda leaning towards Pickard becoming the so-called 1A ... I think his game is sharper this year even though both are plainly back ups.

Rodrigue maybe should be given a look, unlikely he's the answer either but what other options do we have at this point.

These are our options:



And he means Jack Campbell.

 

[McAsuno]

Honestly I'm kinda leaning towards Pickard becoming the so-called 1A ... I think his game is sharper this year even though both are plainly back ups.

Rodrigue maybe should be given a look, unlikely he's the answer either but what other options do we have at this point.

They’re both shit. There’s no other options though. It’s either you go with Jekyll and Hyde Moustache or 3rd string journeyman career backup in Pickard.
Heck, even Rodrigues hasn’t had a strong season unlike last year. It’s pretty much GG.

McDrai’s gonna have to go supernova once again for this team to even get far in the playoffs.

 

[Soundwave]

They’re both shit. There’s no other options though. It’s either you go with Jekyll and Hyde Moustache or 3rd string journeyman career backup in Pickard.
Heck, even Rodrigues hasn’t had a strong season unlike last year. It’s pretty much GG.

McDrai’s gonna have to go supernova once again for this team to even get far in the playoffs.

Yeah, I think Pickard has made bigger saves this year at least though. They're both crap.

This team should be giving Rodrigue some starts, but we're likely in tough for the rest of the year so probably not luxury in even trying that. I don't expect a world beater from him, but at least maybe he'd be a different style of goalie in the mix.

 

[McAsuno]

Yeah, I think Pickard has made bigger saves this year at least though. They're both crap.

This team should be giving Rodrigue some starts, but we're likely in tough for the rest of the year so probably not luxury in even trying that. I don't expect a world beater from him, but at least maybe he'd be a different style of goalie in the mix.

He’ll turn into like every single goalie we’ve had here when Schwartz gets his incompetent hands on him.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Rodrigue got devoured in the preseason and he's playing like crap in the AHL. I heard the only reason his play improved in the A was because his dad helped coach him in Bakersfield...so Florida wisely snatched up the only remotely competent goalie coach in the Oiler organization (Olivier's dad), and lo and behold Rodrigue's game has now collapsed.

As for Pickard, well, we know what happened the last time they gave Pickard two consecutive starts... There's a reason this guy was a mid-career AHL goalie when we found him.

Every goalie who plays for this organization needs Dustin Schwartz's seal of approval...with that in mind, can we trust any of them to be good enough for this league? We all know how many teams wanted Mikko Koskinen when his contract was up...

This team is totally and utterly f***ed in net. Period.

 

[Oilslick941611]

That’s a flat out lie and @MessierThanThou would agree

who is that? I dont see his posts. He's on my ignore list after trying to instigate fights over PM.

 

[MessierThanThou]

who is that? I dont see his posts. He's on my ignore list after trying to instigate fights over PM.

I have never PMed you. I know it's hard keeping up with the amount of people who ridicule you...

 

[iCanada]

It's not like Arvidsson and Henrique are 25 ... you are gambling when you are signing players on the wrong side of 30 ... the Oilers management made gambles on older players and got burned on them (in Arvidsson's case he also has a long injury history).

This is the roster, and you shouldn't need career years from players every year to be good either. It was a given that Hyman likely wasn't going to score 50+ again. Those things happen one in a career maybe.

It's management's fault they brought in shit forwards, then got offer sheeted for their stupidity, then have double downed on sub .900 goaltending for the entire year which basically would sink most teams.

Can any one even list the last team that won their division in the NHL with sub .900 goaltending for both of their goalies? If the Oilers finish about 2nd or 3rd in their division, that's probably about right where they deserve to be.



What place in the standings was Colorado at that time? 9th? 10th place even at times? That's your example of what the Oilers should be?

Your argument is stupid, I'm sorry but it is.

Sub .900 goaltending for an entire year should not be in the running for a division lead, can you even list the last team that pulled that off? 2nd or 3rd is a more realistic expectation given that, and that's pretty much right where the team is.

Not to mention - which last 10 is worse?

 

[Oilslick941611]

I have never PMed you. I know it's hard keeping up with the amount of people who ridicule you...

got you "mess"ed up with messrules11.

All you messier guys are the same to me.

 

[Mr Positive]

Yeah, I think Pickard has made bigger saves this year at least though. They're both crap.

This team should be giving Rodrigue some starts, but we're likely in tough for the rest of the year so probably not luxury in even trying that. I don't expect a world beater from him, but at least maybe he'd be a different style of goalie in the mix.

That last bit is our reality

We are riding this out with Skinner. Pickard is a fall back, but if we weren't even going to toss out a 3rd rounder for some goalie insurance then we definitely aren't going to try a rookie goalie as our answer.

 

[MessierThanThou]

got you "mess"ed up with messrules11.

All you messier guys are the same to me.

So insensitive. You have no idea how much discrimination us "Messier guys" face in Vancouver. No idea.

 

[guymez]

You mean aside from the person mentioned in the post to which you're directly responding?

You may have missed some intriguing takes yesterday, where a few people here claimed that McDavid not scoring in Game 7 is a bigger reason why we lost than Skinner letting in what should've been a routine save. And don't even get me started on the deadline day thread... Still trying to regain some IQ points after reading so much brain-rotting drivel.

Yeah you're right...I havent seen every post so it sounds like I may have missed the stuff you are referring to.
I just havent seen any of that on here lately but then again I purposely didnt read most of the PGT to try and avoid the loss of any IQ points.
No worries.