Post-Game Talk: Below average goaltending + below average finishing + below average defense = ugly losses

[Soundwave]

I know, im arguing against someone who thinks it’s okay for the team to give up because of bad goals. I’m saying it’s not and that if the team has these types of players it doesnt matter if we get good goaltending, we aren’t winning anything and to get these types of players off the team.

I’m arguing that the issues the team is having are bigger than just the goalies giving up bad goals, but some people only think the issues the goalie.

Ill probably be called another skinner bootlicker though for thinking that though.

And I think this is horse shit.

Major roster flaws bleed into the overall play of the team.

If they don't then you show me a consistent top 3 team in either Conference with two back up goalies. Show me who does that year in, year out.

SHOW ME the f***ing team that's built that way to great success. YOU CAN'T. It doesn't exist.

So what you're asking for is for the Oilers to be a team that basically doesn't exist anywhere else in the NHL, not understanding what the f*** you're asking for.

 

[K1984]

And I think this is horse shit.

Major roster flaws bleed into the overall play of the team.

If they don't then you show me a consistent top 3 team in either Conference with two back up goalies. Show me who does that year in, year out.

SHOW ME the f***ing team that's built that way to great success. YOU CAN'T.

Ok so it isn't just the goalie now.

Got it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I know, im arguing against someone who thinks it’s okay for the team to give up because of bad goals. I’m saying it’s not and that if the team has these types of players it doesnt matter if we get good goaltending, we aren’t winning anything and to get these types of players off the team.

I’m arguing that the issues the team is having are bigger than just the goalies giving up bad goals, but some people only think the issues the goalie.

Ill probably be called another skinner bootlicker though for thinking that though.

I've been saying this for months...welcome to the club Mrs. Skinner

 

[Oilslick941611]

And I think this is horse shit.

Major roster flaws bleed into the overall play of the team.

If they don't then you show me a consistent top 3 team in either Conference with two back up goalies. Show me who does that year in, year out.

SHOW ME the f***ing team that's built that way to great success. YOU CAN'T. It doesn't exist.

So what you're asking for is for the Oilers to be a team that basically doesn't exist anywhere else in the NHL, not understanding what the f*** you're asking for.

Dude, we aren’t even speaking the same language, you are not understanding im saying. I’m done with you. You are even making my point now.

 

[Soundwave]

Ok so it isn't just the goalie now.

Got it.

If you're fine with the goaltending then you have no business asking for better results. Again it's like the idiot who spends nothing on a hotel room but expects top tier 5 star hotel amenities and then even starts complaining about what he's getting in the room. That's not how the world works.

This is about what you get. 5th best in the conference, maybe. Really sub .900 goaltending should be a 8th seed at best (Columbus is the only other team in a playoff spot at present with similar goaltending and they are an 8th seed). The only reason Oiler fans live a charmed life and think they're entitled to expect so much more is because some lottery balls bounced their way on two players.

 

[K1984]

If you're fine with the goaltending then you have no business asking for better results. Again it's like the idiot who spends nothing on a hotel room but expects top tier 5 star hotel amenities. That's not how the world works.

This is about what you get. 5th best in the conference, maybe. Really sub .900 goaltending should be a 8th seed at best (like Columbus), the only reason Oiler fans live a charmed life and think they're entitled to expect so much more is because some lottery balls bounced their way on two players.

No, I have plenty of business asking for better results when the results have been pretty clearly below the capabilities of pretty much everyone on the team not wearing 29 or 90.

If you think it's ok for everyone to clearly under perform because the goalie isn't good, then you do you.

 

[Soundwave]

Dude, we aren’t even speaking the same language, you are not understanding im saying. I’m done with you. You are even making my point now.

Because you can't answer the question when confronted with facts. There is no magical team that gets great results anywhere else with poor goaltending every year.

You don't want to admit that now when you were called out to point out where else this magical "never quit, doesn't matter what the goalies do!" team is ... it doesn't exist anywhere outside of magical fantasy land. And that's the truth of the matter.

 

[McBeastMode]

And that's the crappier wood too.

That quality of Goaltending costs a 4th. Yet we're sticking with Skinner.

Make it make sense.

Just look at how fast he gets up after that, even though the play is dead..

 

[Oilslick941611]

Because you can't answer the question when confronted with facts. There is no magical team that gets great results anywhere else with poor goaltending every year.

You don't want to admit that now when you were called out to point out where else this magical "never quit, doesn't matter what the goalies do!" team is ... it doesn't exist anywhere outside of magical fantasy land. And that's the truth of the matter.

What facts did you present? You mentioned Colorado and i went back and checked their game scores before Blackwood came and Lo and be hold, they never gave up! They still scored and played close games. You presented nothing.

My main argument is that the problems of this team is more than just goaltending and you are suggesting that it’s okay for the team to give up because the goalie sucks. I am not saying its not and the team needs to play better because right now everyone but Drai sucks ass and we aren’t winning playing this way, no matter what.

You want to yell and take your anger out and capitalize random words.

 

[Soundwave]

No, I have plenty of business asking for better results when the results have been pretty clearly below the capabilities of pretty much everyone on the team not wearing 29 or 90.

If you think it's ok for everyone to clearly under perform because the goalie isn't good, then you do you.

It's not like Arvidsson and Henrique are 25 ... you are gambling when you are signing players on the wrong side of 30 ... the Oilers management made gambles on older players and got burned on them (in Arvidsson's case he also has a long injury history).

This is the roster, and you shouldn't need career years from players every year to be good either. It was a given that Hyman likely wasn't going to score 50+ again. Those things happen one in a career maybe.

It's management's fault they brought in shit forwards, then got offer sheeted for their stupidity, then have double downed on sub .900 goaltending for the entire year which basically would sink most teams.

Can any one even list the last team that won their division in the NHL with sub .900 goaltending for both of their goalies? If the Oilers finish about 2nd or 3rd in their division, that's probably about right where they deserve to be.

What facts did you present? You mentioned Colorado and i went back and checked their game scores before Blackwood came and Lo and be hold, they never gave up! They still scored and played close games. You presented nothing.

My main argument is that the problems of this team is more than just goaltending and you are suggesting that it’s okay for the team to give up because the goalie sucks. I am not saying its not and the team needs to play better because right now everyone but Drai sucks ass and we aren’t winning playing this way, no matter what.

You want to yell and take your anger out and capitalize random words.

What place in the standings was Colorado at that time? 9th? 10th place even at times? That's your example of what the Oilers should be?

Your argument is stupid, I'm sorry but it is.

Sub .900 goaltending for an entire year should not be in the running for a division lead, can you even list the last team that pulled that off? 2nd or 3rd is a more realistic expectation given that, and that's pretty much right where the team is.

 

[Oilslick941611]

It's not like Arvidsson and Henrique are 25 ... you are gambling when you are signing players on the wrong side of 30 ... the Oilers management made gambles on older players and got burned on them (in Arvidsson's case he also has a long injury history).

This is the roster, and you shouldn't need career years from players every year to be good either. It was a given that Hyman likely wasn't going to score 50+ again. Those things happen one in a career maybe.

It's management's fault they brought in shit forwards, then got offer sheeted for their stupidity, then have double downed on sub .900 goaltending for the entire year which basically would sink most teams.

Can any one even list the last team that won their division in the NHL with sub .900 goaltending for both of their goalies? If the Oilers finish about 2nd or 3rd in their division, that's probably about right where they deserve to be.



What place in the standings was Colorado at that time? 9th? 10th place even at times? That's your example of what the Oilers should be?

Your argument is stupid, I'm sorry but it is.

Sub .900 goaltending for an entire year should not be in the running for a division lead, can you even list the last team that pulled that off? 2nd or 3rd is a more realistic expectation given that, and that's pretty much right where the team is.

I’m not talking about the f***ing standings, im talking about the compete level of the team.

 

[K1984]

It's not like Arvidsson and Henrique are 25 ... you are gambling when you are signing players on the wrong side of 30 ... the Oilers management made gambles on older players and got burned on them (in Arvidsson's case he also has a long injury history).

This is the roster, and you shouldn't need career years from players every year to be good either. It was a given that Hyman likely wasn't going to score 50+ again. Those things happen one in a career maybe.

It's management's fault they brought in shit forwards, then got offer sheeted for their stupidity, then have double downed on sub .900 goaltending for the entire year which basically would sink most teams.

Can any one even list the last team that won their division in the NHL with sub .900 goaltending for both of their goalies? If the Oilers finish about 2nd or 3rd in their division, that's probably about right where they deserve to be.



What place in the standings was Colorado at that time? 9th? 10th place even at times? That's your example of what the Oilers should be?

Your argument is stupid, I'm sorry but it is.

Sub .900 goaltending for an entire year should not be in the running for a division lead, can you even list the last team that pulled that off? 2nd or 3rd is a more realistic expectation given that, and that's pretty much right where the team is.

The Oilers are 2nd or 3rd in the division because they played well from late October until mid-January.

The Oilers would be out of the playoffs if they played the whole season the way they have over the last 20, but you seem to have convinced yourself that what they're giving now is the best they have somehow. Ridiculous because the exact same group of players managed to not be horrendous for long stretches of this very season, but it's what you think regardless.

 

[Soundwave]

I’m not talking about the f***ing standings, im talking about the compete level of the team.

Where do you think they should be? You think the team results should be way better than at present?

And yes, spoiled Oiler fans used to McDavid bailing them out, teams do go on 10, 15, even 20 game stretches of poorer play. Vegas has done it almost two years in a row now. LA flirts with runs like that.

Why is it you think the Oilers should magically be immune to ever having any stretches like that? Those stretches frankly should be more commonplace here given the terrible level of management and goaltending (fundamental foundational parts of pretty much every good team) that is here. Be thankful that it doesn't happen more often, because frankly it probably should, lots of teams would completely fall apart if given this level of dumb management and constantly mediocre goaltending.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Where do you think they should be? You think the team results should be way better than at present?

And yes, spoiled Oiler fans used to McDavid bailing them out, teams do go on 10, 15, even 20 game stretches of poorer play. Vegas has done it almost two years in a row now. LA flirts with runs like that.

Why is it you think the Oilers should magically be immune to ever having any stretches like that? Those stretches frankly should be more commonplace here given the terrible level of management and goaltending (fundamental foundational parts of pretty much every good team) that is here.

well, if they play smart like they did from Nov- Feb, they should be in 1st of the division

do you think they woke up one day and thought "yeah, let's stop trying because of our goaltending"

 

[K1984]

Where do you think they should be? You think the team results should be way better than at present?

And yes, spoiled Oiler fans used to McDavid bailing them out, teams do go on 10, 15, even 20 game stretches of poorer play. Vegas has done it almost two years in a row now. LA flirts with runs like that.

Why is it you think the Oilers should magically be immune to ever having any stretches like that? Those stretches frankly should be more commonplace here given the terrible level of management and goaltending (fundamental foundational parts of pretty much every good team) that is here.

You're the only one here obsessing about standings. In your manic rants you move the goal posts without even realizing it.

The goalie is playing like shit. Fact.

The team in front of him is playing like shit relative to their abilities, and relative to what they have done in this very same season. Fact.

How this does or doesn't translate to the standings or what the Avalanche do or don't do doesn't change these facts. Just attempts to obfuscate and move the goal posts.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Where do you think they should be? You think the team results should be way better than at present?

And yes, spoiled Oiler fans used to McDavid bailing them out, teams do go on 10, 15, even 20 game stretches of poorer play. Vegas has done it almost two years in a row now. LA flirts with runs like that.

Why is it you think the Oilers should magically be immune to ever having any stretches like that? Those stretches frankly should be more commonplace here given the terrible level of management and goaltending (fundamental foundational parts of pretty much every good team) that is here. Be thankful that it doesn't happen more often, because frankly it probably should, lots of teams would completely fall apart if given this level of dumb management and constantly mediocre goaltending.

I’m done with you. You are putting words in my mouth and trying to fight me over that.

I never said anything of the sort you are claiming. You are arguing with yourself here.

 

[Soundwave]

I’m done with you. You are putting words in my mouth and trying to fight me over that.

I never said anything of the sort you are claiming. You are arguing with yourself here.

I'm saying your idea of a "never quit" team is bull shit. It doesn't exist. Using Colorado as the example when they were sitting in 10th place before their management went and bailed them out with several major roster adds and given the fact they've won 1 whopping playoff round in 2 years as an example for the Oilers is a joke.

The Oilers have showed a lot more heart than the Avs the last 3 years, the Avs haven't done shit when the deck isn't stacked heavily in their favor (as it was in 2022).

 

[MessierThanThou]

TLDR; one group of people believe the Oilers suck entirely because McDavid is slumping and Bouchard is the antichrist, and Skinner's blatantly terrible softies last night or any night are and were "not his fault." Also, Skinner ranking 74th in GSAx in the whole league (the worst of any starter in a playoff spot) isn't a thing because statistics don't count if they disagree with the Skinner cheerleading section. And Skinner's recent, objectively horrible play is definitely not a contributing factor in the team's worst stretch of hockey in a few seasons. Nope. Not at all.

I’m done with you. You are putting words in my mouth and trying to fight me over that.

I never said anything of the sort you are claiming. You are arguing with yourself here.

How many times did you say you were "done with him" yet keep going? Just throw in the towel, dude.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I'm saying your idea of a "never quit" team is bull shit. It doesn't exist. Using Colorado as the example when they were sitting in 10th place before their management went and bailed them out with several major roster adds and given the fact they've won 1 whopping playoff round in 2 years as example for the Oilers is a joke.

The Oilers have showed a lot more heart than the Avs the last 3 years, the Avs haven't done shit when the deck isn't stacked heavily in their favor (as it was in 2022).

The avs didn’t quit this year before Blackwood. If you can’t see that I cant help you.

They still scored goals and had close games.

It has nothing to do with the standings. You need to drop that, or not. I don’t care. Like I said I’m done with you. You’re going on my ignore list

 

[K1984]

TLDR; one group of people believe the Oilers suck entirely because McDavid is slumping and Bouchard is the antichrist, and Skinner's blatantly terrible softies last night or any night are and were "not his fault." Also, Skinner ranking 74th in GSAx in the whole league (the worst of any starter in a playoff spot) isn't a thing because statistics don't count if they disagree with the Skinner cheerleading section. And Skinner's recent, objectively horrible play is definitely not a contributing factor in the team's worst stretch of hockey in a few seasons. Nope. Not at all.

TLDR; one group of people chooses to simply ignore the blatantly obvious fact that this team isn't playing anywhere near what they're capable of across the board, and somehow pin all the blame for it on the shitty goalie while projecting anyone that calls out the team's poor play as a Skinner "apologist" while brushing everything else aside.

 

[Soundwave]

The avs didn’t quit this year before Blackwood. If you can’t see that I can y help you.

They still scored goals and had close games.

It has nothing to do with the standings. You need to drop that, or not. I don’t care. Like I said I’m done with you. You’re going on my ignore list

They were playing chicken shit "check mah stats tho!" hockey earlier in the year sitting in 10th place.

And whoopity f***ing doo, am I supposed to give them a trophy for putting up with bad goaltending for what?

25 games? POOR BABIES! 25 whole games!!! How terrible for them! What heart to even show up to the rink!

Call me when they do that for years.

 

[Lacaar]

I still think we lack the ability to hold forwards accountable for making an absolute mess of a scoring chance.

Missing a 5 alarm scoring chance is just as egregious a mistake as the goalie letting in a softie.

Stu lets in softies.
Our forwards fail to convert softies.

The Oilers in a nutshell for the most part this season.

When the softies stop this team is killer.

 

[K1984]

The avs didn’t quit this year before Blackwood. If you can’t see that I can y help you.

They still scored goals and had close games.

It has nothing to do with the standings. You need to drop that, or not. I don’t care. Like I said I’m done with you. You’re going on my ignore list

All the whining about our team and how it's soooo unfair to 97 and 29 that we expect them to play to what they're capable of (insane). Meanwhile MacKinnon and Rantanen were on an island up front for the last two and a half years pretty much right up until this deadline, but they still managed to compete, maintain a consistently high energy level, and even win games and series.

So here you have people excusing players like McDavid for playing like total shit because "UGH UNFAIR! HE CAN'T DO IT ALL! THERES NO DEPTH AND THE GOALIE ISN'T GOOD! HE DESERVES TO PLAY BAD!" Meanwhile, propping up the Avalanche as some sort of model despite the fact that they've been thinner than we are up front as recently as this season, had goaltending worse than ours as recently as this season, yet Mackinnon and Makar still find a way to play their top game, score goals, and drive a culture of compete.

Strange that. No depth, shitty goaltending, but the players up front still work hard and execute offensively lead by their leaders. Odd.

 

[brentashton]

Working from home provides some folks with way too much free time on their hands.

 

[Soundwave]

All the whining about our team and how it's soooo unfair to 97 and 29 that we expect them to play to what they're capable of (insane). Meanwhile MacKinnon and Rantanen were on an island up front for the last two and a half years pretty much right up until this deadline, but they still managed to compete, maintain a consistently high energy level, and even win games and series.

So here you have people excusing players like McDavid for playing like total shit because "UGH UNFAIR! HE CAN'T DO IT ALL! THERES NO DEPTH AND THE GOALIE ISN'T GOOD! HE DESERVES TO PLAY BAD!" Meanwhile, propping up the Avalanche as some sort of model despite the fact that they've been thinner than we are up front as recently as this season, had goaltending worse than ours as recently as this season, yet Mackinnon and Makar still find a way to play their top game, score goals, and drive a culture of compete.

Strange that. No depth, shitty goaltending, but the players up front still work hard and execute offensively lead by their leaders. Odd.

"On an island" ... lol ... yeah an island with Makar (best d-man in the game), Toews/Manson, Nichushkin, etc.

Boo hoo how terrible for MacK to have to play on a team only about as good as what McDavid/Drai have only recently gotten in their careers.

Colorado has 1 whopping playoff round win (to a team we beat) to show for when they have more normalized "Oiler like" rosters. And they lost to a Seattle team in round 1 that's probably the worst playoff team in the last 10 years.

If you want to trade that for the results the Oilers have had the last two years, be my guest.